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saintjules
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Nowcry
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Va a haber tanta diferencia en la guerra de consolas de esta generación. Las personas que actualmente minimizan los juegos de PS5 por ser indiscernibles de los juegos de PS4 tendrán dificultades para decir que hay una mejora significativa en XSX. Lo contrario será cierto, una vez que Xbox tenga su presentación en julio. La generación actual ya es muy parecida, así que no veo por qué alguien debería esperar algo diferente con la próxima generación. Cada sistema tendrá sus fortalezas y debilidades, como se observa, pero no se notará nada en tiempo real. Creo que eso es genial. Debería ser solo sobre los juegos ahora. Ya no es necesario analizar las diferencias gráficas, solo juega lo que quieras. En todo caso, los controladores podrían convertirse en el verdadero diferenciador de esta próxima generación.
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No estoy de acuerdo con tu opinión, pero la respeto.
Cuando UE5 y los motores gráficos estén optimizados para la nueva E / S, el cambio será sustancial. Como afirman los desarrolladores, será el cambio más importante desde PS2.
Aunque es cierto que cambia totalmente la forma de usar la GPU, requiere un cambio profundo en los motores gráficos y debido a esto no se observa por completo en los juegos de salida de PS5, se parece mucho más a PS4 y más basado en TFLOPS. . Como los juegos de PC.
Sin embargo, tenemos evidencia (UE5 demo) de que una vez que se haya realizado el cambio en los motores gráficos, no habrá vuelta atrás, nadie querrá activos de baja poli, ni LOD, nuestro ojo se volverá mucho más crítico. Creo que la demostración de UE5 ya ha generado un cambio en la forma en que vemos los juegos, el ojo se ha vuelto más refinado, estamos buscando LOD y mejores activos. Y solo fueron 9 minutos de juego.
Nos acostumbramos a buenos gráficos rápidamente.
Eso sucederá en el segundo lote de juegos de próxima generación, al menos en PS5 (sin información sobre SX I / O). Se basarán más en las mejoras de E / S que en las mejoras de Tflops.
I admit that I hoped that sony had some game prepared to use the I / O controller and a nanite-like system for the first batch, maybe this is on horizon but we need to see more to be able to ensure it. Maybe sony has more games up his sleeve with this system.
Va a haber tanta diferencia en la guerra de consolas de esta generación. Las personas que actualmente minimizan los juegos de PS5 por ser indiscernibles de los juegos de PS4 tendrán dificultades para decir que hay una mejora significativa en XSX. Lo contrario será cierto, una vez que Xbox tenga su presentación en julio. La generación actual ya es muy parecida, así que no veo por qué alguien debería esperar algo diferente con la próxima generación. Cada sistema tendrá sus fortalezas y debilidades, como se observa, pero no se notará nada en tiempo real. Creo que eso es genial. Debería ser solo sobre los juegos ahora. Ya no es necesario analizar las diferencias gráficas, solo juega lo que quieras. En todo caso, los controladores podrían convertirse en el verdadero diferenciador de esta próxima generación.
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No estoy de acuerdo con tu opinión, pero la respeto.
Cuando UE5 y los motores gráficos estén optimizados para la nueva E / S, el cambio será sustancial. Como afirman los desarrolladores, será el cambio más importante desde PS2.
Aunque es cierto que cambia totalmente la forma de usar la GPU, requiere un cambio profundo en los motores gráficos y debido a esto no se observa por completo en los juegos de salida de PS5, se parece mucho más a PS4 y más basado en TFLOPS. . Como los juegos de PC.
Sin embargo, tenemos evidencia (UE5 demo) de que una vez que se haya realizado el cambio en los motores gráficos, no habrá vuelta atrás, nadie querrá activos de baja poli, ni LOD, nuestro ojo se volverá mucho más crítico. Creo que la demostración de UE5 ya ha generado un cambio en la forma en que vemos los juegos, el ojo se ha vuelto más refinado, estamos buscando LOD y mejores activos. Y solo fueron 9 minutos de juego.
Nos acostumbramos a buenos gráficos rápidamente.
Eso sucederá en el segundo lote de juegos de próxima generación, al menos en PS5 (sin información sobre SX I / O). Se basarán más en las mejoras de E / S que en las mejoras de Tflops.
I admit that I hoped that sony had some game prepared to use the I / O controller and a nanite-like system for the first batch, maybe this is on horizon but we need to see more to be able to ensure it. Maybe sony has more games up his sleeve with this system.
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Nowcry
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I disagree with your opinion but respect it.
When UE5 and the graphics engines are optimized for the new I / O the change will be substantial. As the developers claim it will be the most important change since PS2.
Although it is true that it totally changes the way of using the GPU, it requires a profound change in the graphics engines and because of this it is not completely observed in the PS5 output games, looking much more like PS4 and more based on TFLOPS improves. Like PC high games.
However, we have evidence (UE5 demo) that once the change in the graphics engines has been made, there will be no turning back, nobody will want low poly assets, nor LOD, our eye is going to become much more critical. I think that the demo of UE5 has already generated a change in the way we look at games, the eye has become more refined, we are looking for LOD and better assets. And it was only 9 minutes of play.
We get used to good graphics fast.
That will happen in the second batch of next gen games at least on PS5 (no info on SX I / O). They will be more based on I / O improvements than Tflops improvements.
I admit that I hoped that sony had some game prepared to use the I / O controller and a nanite-like system for the first batch, maybe this is on horizon but we need to see more to be able to ensure it. Maybe sony has more games up his sleeve with this system.
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Can I delete post?or something?
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saintjules
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Cyberpunk 2077 on now
sircaw
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Are they saying that not optimised they are getting 30 fps, then they tweak it abit, they come out with 120.
Or is that on the old console vs the new one?
I am confused.
saintjules
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I'm just as confused as you are lol. I think it will be clear on a game by game basis as we purchase them.
DrDamn
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They've already said it's not a mandate:
However I do like that they are pushing it as a target, and there will likely be 60fps standard modes or 60fps performance modes for the majority of the MS Studio titles.
saintjules
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I disagree with your opinion but respect it.
When UE5 and the graphics engines are optimized for the new I / O the change will be substantial. As the developers claim it will be the most important change since PS2.
Although it is true that it totally changes the way of using the GPU, it requires a profound change in the graphics engines and because of this it is not completely observed in the PS5 output games, looking much more like PS4 and more based on TFLOPS improves. Like PC high games.
However, we have evidence (UE5 demo) that once the change in the graphics engines has been made, there will be no turning back, nobody will want low poly assets, nor LOD, our eye is going to become much more critical. I think that the demo of UE5 has already generated a change in the way we look at games, the eye has become more refined, we are looking for LOD and better assets. And it was only 9 minutes of play.
We get used to good graphics fast.
That will happen in the second batch of next gen games at least on PS5 (no info on SX I / O). They will be more based on I / O improvements than Tflops improvements.
I admit that I hoped that sony had some game prepared to use the I / O controller and a nanite-like system for the first batch, maybe this is on horizon but we need to see more to be able to ensure it. Maybe sony has more games up his sleeve with this system.
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Edit the previous post with a "." is the easiest way if you don't plan to copy and paste this comment with the earlier one lol.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Got it, yeah I remember that now.
BadBreathOfTheWild
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I’d love that for both consoles. If not mandated 60 FPS, a mandated 60 FPS mode.
Sony already does it for their VR games. Won’t pass QA without a stable 60/90 FPS, with 60 being reprojected to 120 FPS and 90 running native.
Bo_Hazem
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Let's not rush into conclusions though, let's see them first in action. There are some games on official Xbox page aren't 60fps, and some aren't even with a 4K symbol. When we see those games in action, assuming this time all of them will be running on XSX not PC, then we can dig into screenshots and put them side by side.
Nowcry
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Edit time finaliced I cant edit it.
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They are saying that the default is 30, but with the XSX you can get 120. It's just marketing...
Bo_Hazem
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The leap for me is already massive (PS5), not sure if you're viewing them in a proper screen. You'll never get beyond 25% of the actual quality if you're seeing them on a 1080p tv/monitor.
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No corndog you got em back to front, is like saying if the top speed of a car is 120mph then saying 'it always has 120mph' don't really make sense. I see you try your best to understand without being 'overly' biased, so consider this...
Using the car analogy (I know it's been a few done already) Say these consoles are cars, the simplistic way we would calculate their top speed is take the max rpm (without red lining) the engine multiply with max gear ratio of transmission and then multiply with circumference of the tyres. The XSX max speed is 120mph an the PS5 max is 100mph, but the PS5 has higher torque therefore better acceleration. On a straight long track the XSX will beat the PS5 given enough road (this would be similar to a predictable benchmark). But in a real world game there would be unpredictable twisty roads, the PS5 can accelerate closer to its max speed after each corner where the XSX still needs a long straight stretch to gain that lead its max speed allows. Comprendo? Could kinda say it's XSX BHP vs PS5 Torque, but it does get a whole lot more complicated than that with cars
Dolomite
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To fair they both seek the same or similar end result, one is more expensive to execute than the other, and requires extra steps. Mesh can achieve what prim does with less steps and if you wanted, you can further accelerate via HW handling LOD Calcs( on SXS)
And since XSX allows low level access to the RT HW + mesh shading making basically everything a compute shader + DXR 1.1 inline RT + DXR hit shader execution....
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Just to clear the fog:
Most likely it's exclusive only on PS5 first then PS4 later (or never).
But hey, probably those are fake sources.
did you even see their home page? It even says there PS5/PS4 and PC:
Ember Lab
Ember Lab is driven by a passion for telling great stories. We’re currently working on our first game, Kena: Bridge of Spirits.
www.emberlab.com
it's PS4+PS5 and Epic Games Store (PC) day one, and at a later day Xbox. It's pretty clear. Just look at the page. Due to marketing they won't say it's coming to Xbox. But we all know what "console exclusive" means. This is nothing new. Come on.
thebigmanjosh
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This isn't really it at all. The PS5 GPU will only ever hit 10.3 TFlops max. The XSX will only ever hit 12.1 TFlops max.
The distinction on the PS5 side comes in with variable clocks for more complex code. It's more like gears on a bike where you spend most of your time in one gear for flat surfaces (2.25 Ghz) but when you start going uphill (complex code) that requires more power, you change to a lower gear (2.1 Ghz, 2.0 Ghz, etc.) to keep your legs from burning out.
XSX runs all code at the same speed, and they've landed on 1.825 Ghz as the safest, constant speed.
SSfox
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Hopefully Sony won't go no brain full retard mode and censure this game on PS4/PS5 like they did with DMC5
I know they fixed their mistake about DMC5, but y'know...
Bo_Hazem
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did you even see their home page? It even says there PS5/PS4 and PC:
Ember Lab
Ember Lab is driven by a passion for telling great stories. We’re currently working on our first game, Kena: Bridge of Spirits.
it's PS4+PS5 and Epic Games Store (PC) day one, and at a later day Xbox. It's pretty clear. Just look at the page. Due to marketing they won't say it's coming to Xbox. But we all know what "console exclusive" means. This is nothing new. Come on.
It pretty clearly states that it's timed exclusive, not permanent, no one here is talking about what you're talking about. That's PS5 real time footage, running on PS5. We'll wait to see how it looks on PC and compare.
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FeiRR
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Now I know why DualShock manual says "use it with your hands only".
MasterCornholio
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Somebody will the turn the DualSense into a sex toy with Dreams.
saintjules
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Yeah I've been checking up on his videos lately.
When looking at this article:
So for small examples like these, they're actively selling digital items in that part of the market. I don't know to what capacity for next-gen, but I'd assume they would partake in it for their current Consumer base.
.... I ain't even gonna bother, leave you be inside your bubble... and please stay away from sharp objects , only concerned about your safety cos your appreciation for Danny McBride (at least you got one thing right!)
Thirty7ven
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Lame seeing MS marketing team trying to dupe people into believing 120 FPS will be some sort of optimized for XSX standard.
zaitsu
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Yeah, very missleading.
saintjules
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sircaw
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That's what i thought, it is so vague,
I mean why does Microsoft need to do this. .
To put it in context, adverts like this just don't suddenly happen at random, these are well thought out with clear designs and intentions. Are there no people at Microsoft that saw this advert and thought, yer that does seems abit misleading.
I don't like this kind of standard, don't care if it is Microsoft, Sony or my favourite can of Heinz Bake beans, they need to be better.
Being so equivocal in their approach really is troubling from a normal consumer standpoint.
sircaw
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I believe the last game was not very good, so their are alot of fans that are hopeful that this one delivers. That recent video did nothing for me but i am excited for the game, just need that game play to really shine.
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Gudji
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I might be completely wrong but I'm not expecting much from 343i, they don't have a great track record. Also according to Schreier and Matt from era the development of the game has been rough, we'll see.
Setsuna Mudou
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What?? That made absolutely no sense at all.
T-Cake
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It does if you understand what Mark Cerny said in his Road to PS5 video. In fact, I think that is a great analogy by
thebigmanjosh
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TBiddy
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You have the honor of being the very first on my ignore list. Congratulations!
pasterpl
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Too much talk, but let's compare. Games said to be not possible on current gen, next gen only:
XSX + PC (could be running on PC as well, it's vague)
Will not bring PS5 first party:
Now cross-gen on XSX (could be running on PC)
Then cross-gen running on PS5
Sources:
Xbox Series X | Xbox
Discover the fastest, most powerful Xbox ever with the Xbox Series X.www.xbox.com
PS5
Official PlayStation Blog for news and video updates on PlayStation, PS5, PS4, PS VR, PlayStation Plus and more.blog.playstation.com
To be honest, all of these looks awesome on these screenshots
Setsuna Mudou
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I understood Cerny perfectly well (I mean, as well as a mere mortal could). This analogy makes no sense as a "counter" to the previous CU usage example. It's like person A saying "1+1=2 and person B saying "no, 1 and 1 is 11".It does if you understand what Mark Cerny said in his Road to PS5 video. In fact, I think that is a great analogy by
T-Cake
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I'm not sure anyone knows yet how the optimization for CUs is, whereas the frequency stuff has been explained.
geordiemp
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It does if you understand what Mark Cerny said in his Road to PS5 video. In fact, I think that is a great analogy by
Did you understand the rising boat lifts all tides and what it means, and TF is not the whole story, there is rasterisation and dealing with caches and lots of other stuff unrelated to compute.
Do you think the apis betweeen sony and MS will have similar levels of abstraction, is MS known for very thin and efficient APIs
hard type that last one
Do you think MS will show a clear 18 % or will it be less....or will it be more.....du du duh....
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T-Cake
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I'm going with 60fps for XSX and 57fps for PS5.
ToadMan
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I think it's already established you know nothing about the numbers you are regurgitating... you confirmed as much yourself.
Perhaps you'd care to show how you calculate your 20% lol ... or perhaps you prefer not to embarrass yourself (again).
geordiemp
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IMO...Nah both will be 60 FPS locked with dynamic resolution, or 4k60 if its a last gen game, or 4k30 for ACreed.
Some will have graphics and performance modes, 4k30 with some RT or 1600p60 (resoluton depends on effects).
Dynamic res has been around for a while, what planet you been living on ?
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T-Cake
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It was a joke, fella.
Dolomite
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Certainly not a standard, but a damn impressive target. Dirt 5 has already achieved this on the series x with RT at 4k. Dirt Dev said he literally asked his co-workers to come in and check out his monitor because he was in disbelief at the performance they got before optimization. It's lame to see people downplaying this like it isn't impressive or won't be happen very often
Setsuna Mudou
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Well, to be fair there's a whole lot of things we don't know. But we do know how smartshift works and the analogy of the mountain bike is not really the best one. The interval of this the frequency "shifts" isn't in any way comparable to thermal throttling (like classic boost clocks deal with). It means within the time it takes to render 1 or 2 frames, the power shifts between the cpu and gpu (if needed) and then back to the previous state. Meaning the heavier workload takes priority. So the clock speeds are actually more stable than the theoretical speeds in current gpu architecture (due to thermals).
Let me try a bike analogy for the PS5 too, it would be like you're trying to climb a hill and instead of applying equal pressure on both legs, you shift your weight left and right, depending on which leg is doing the downward movement.
As for the XSX, the previous analogy with the car going 120MPH was pretty good, won't even touch it
SSfox
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If there will be any differences, it's most likely not in fps but in res instead.
Also the loading should be instantaneous on PS5.
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