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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I'm just excited for zippy UIs; probably gonna be the best way to Netflix and chill with those CPUs.
I personally like the xbox controller better than playstations and if I want I'll just get both systems lol o just think all this back n forth is insulting to gaming it won't be any big differences between the twoWhat the hell are you doing not taking a side. Damn switch user.
Sure I believe that (for now), I'm just your flavour for the day. Next week your fins will be all over Bo, and well after that its Geordie or whoever else that takes your fancy at the time. You FLOOZY... LoL why am I cringing at what I just wroteyou have been absent for a few days and i have missed you, you heard that right. I yearned for you.
Imagine how much i will miss you if you stay away longer, lets double that, fuck it lets triple it.
Lets call it even and MAKE IT x1000 that.
Love you really. Its Geordie and Bo i have a problem with.
sircaw
Banned
At the end of the day, its all boils down to games. People make out that graphics are like the most important thing in the world, to me they definitely are not.
There is a rivalry going on between consoles, i get it, but this next generation, the difference will be small, a lot smaller than this last generation.
Pick the console that give you the best games.
I just watched the laymen gaming review for ghost of Tsushima, it's like the most beautiful game ever made. Graphics are already so mind blowing, how far can we actually go till everything looks amazing. Look at some of the indie games next generation, they are looking like triple aaa games of today.
Graphics are great but its like going out with a hot woman and finding out she has the personalty of a dead slug.
Looks alone don't make things great.
for me, i will be getting a ps5 day one if the price is right.
Things like fast loading, is one off the biggest benefits this next generation will have. I play in short squirts, 30 mins here -45 here, i hate spending a minute on a loading screen and if i die, well i am old, i die alot. That's alot of loading screens.
Never been really into sound before but i can not wait to hear the ps5 new sound engine in effect, custom built and probably the best on the market in terms of consoles. Its something that i really look forward to trying.
Hardware from both manufactures, both amazing.
As for games well, i am afraid in my eyes at least there is only one company atm that deserves my cash.
Lets see what they can wrestle up next week, it needs to be amazing.
sircaw
Banned
Sure I believe that (for now), I'm just your flavour for the day. Next week your fins will be all over Bo, and well after that its Geordie or whoever else that takes your fancy at the time. You FLOOZY... LoL why am I cringing at what I just wrote
You are Special, but your wrong about bo and Geordie, i am moving on to aeneaGames, he deserves all my attention. He has the Garfield avatar. Little fat porker needs to shed a few hundred pounds, in essence deserves my full attention/abuse.
Crazychipmunx
Member
Thedtrain
Member
I can’t tell if these things are real or fake. This one is convincing
3liteDragon
Member
This is actually pretty damn impressive considering the frame time limit for 30FPS (33.3ms) and 60FPS (16.7ms). Formula is 1000milliseconds/FPS the game’s currently running at. So since it says the frame time the PS5 achieved just through geometry rendering is “comfortably in budget” for 60FPS output, that means even after rendering the entire frame (including the GeometryBuffer and everything else), PS5’s frame time will still probably be under 10ms. Meaning it can easily run the UE5 demo at 4K@60FPS.
Wraith Phantom
Member
This is actually pretty damn impressive considering the frame time limit for 30FPS (33.3ms) and 60FPS (16.7ms). Formula is 1000milliseconds/FPS the game’s currently running at. So since it says the frame time the PS5 achieved just through geometry rendering is “comfortably in budget” for 60FPS output, that means even after rendering the entire frame (including the GeometryBuffer and everything else), PS5’s frame time will still probably be under 10ms. Meaning it can easily run the UE5 demo at 4K@60FPS.
That was a decent watch the unreal dev video.going to be interesting what devs pull of in game/level design on the PS5.
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sircaw
Banned
I watched it and i have come to the conclusion i am stupid sigh.
Stuff was way to complicated for a mere simpleton like me.
Shut it Geordie.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Marginally better graphics. These two systems should be close enoughthat unless someone told you the differences and showed side by side comparison you likely wouldn’t know the differences.
Only time will tell and also on a game by game basis.
pawel86ck
Banned
MasterCornholio
Member
Snowdonhoffen
Member
Saw this image floating around, XVA better than PS5's I/O complex confirmed. Misinformation is around the corner. People just outright refuse to accept PS5 has an advantage over XSX. Funny enough, this is the same people that gets mad at others who can't accept the GPU advantage on XSX.
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sircaw
Banned
At least you get the girls right?
Yep Yep Yep, Total Stud award.
Your top of my friends list now.
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
Saw this image floating around, XVA better than PS5's I/O complex confirmed. Misinformation is around the corner. People just outright refuse to accept PS5 has an advantage over XSX. Funny enough, this is the same people that gets mad at others who can't accept the GPU advantage on XSX.
Well the difference is that the GPU advantage is way smaller then this. We still don’t know much about the PS5 hardware, so it could still have more advantages then we thought.
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PaintTinJr
Member
But isn't the point somewhat moot - because oodle textures is BCpack by another name and SFS functionality/benefit is either fully in the PS5, or mostly in it, so the massive IO advantage of the PS5 still persists- no ?Have a good sleep
The other thing that I would speculate is that the closer XsX can get to its maximum, the bigger the latency advantage the PS5 IO complex gets over XVA.
I'd also point out that the UE5 explanation video just told us that 90% of assets in game are background and static(with dynamic GI) and that runs entirely on the async compute of the GPU, presumably not using hardware GPU pipeline features such as SFS or Bcpack, so even if SFS is absent from PS5, it will only impact 1/10th of the graphics data.
Entroyp
Member
Saw this image floating around, XVA better than PS5's I/O complex confirmed. Misinformation is around the corner. People just outright refuse to accept PS5 has an advantage over XSX. Funny enough, this is the same people that gets mad at others who can't accept the GPU advantage on XSX.
So in the end some software magic overcame the plethora of custom chips dedicated to I/O in the PS5? Damn Sony must be dumb.
oldergamer
Member
I suggested months back that real world performance between the two consoles in relation to ssd speed would be a smaller gap then on paper. That assumption still stands.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
The important bits as I know you studed the presentation in detail
The memory use for whole demo was only 768 mb and was before further compression, the further compression that can happen was stated in the presentation. So we will get games using this technology...
Some probably are in panic mode when it says "console" not "consoles", the superior one they used. That small streaming pool is insane!
AeneaGames
Member
I think that instead of needing to make all kinds of API calls before one can start reading the data of a disc you now simply have instant access, as in, no need to do any API calls to set it up, you can just start reading it.
That's the only thing that would make sense to me, otherwise it's silly, they are still constrained by the speed of the I/O system...
AeneaGames
Member
They cant increse SSD speed, but if they need to load 2.5x less data, then the end result would be the same as using 2.5x faster SSD.
Stay salty man. You can interpret what SFS does whatever you want if you will sleep better.
OK, for the fun of it, you realise that SFS is completely software based, right? It's also rather similar to PRT (Partially Resident Textures) which is in hardware and could be used by the PS5. Besides that Sony could create some software that does the exact same thing.
Then what? The base speed of the whole I/O system of the PS5 is much higher than on XSX, so if a software thing on XSX can make it do something faster than Sony can make something in software to do the same...
If it were all done in hardware, then it would've been amazing! Now not so much...
Bo_Hazem
Banned
It does mean you have much more room for the same fidelity in a shooter game that you can turn around extremely fast. So yeah, PS5 first party engines and UE5 gonna push for that if the game needs to, or have that extra space for enemies or other complex stuff.
Don't make a state-of-the-art engineering sound like a gimmick.
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Sinthor
Gold Member
Yes, it's almost like they've heard and seen what a monster the PS5 is on I/O and are trying to position themselves as strongly against that as they can. That is good marketing.
AeneaGames
Member
saintjules
Member
Yeah it's a bit ironic because that's one of the major features they were pushing in the road to PS5 video. Well, it won't be a big deal breaker for me I guess.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Nah, you can scale that to all xbox family down to xbox one fat as Phil said, he knows better.
Kusarigama
Member
No, no, you got it a little mixed up.
PlayStation 5 = Super-Man
XSX = Doomsday
Even the colors match this way.
pawel86ck
Banned
If SFS is just software then I guess Sony can create similar streaming technology for PS5 (if they havent done that already). One thing for sure, MS has the upper hand in software (BC proves that), while Sony prefer to build hardware for every problem they encounter.
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MasterCornholio
Member
Alot of times dedicated hardware frees up resources. Which is why both systems have hardware based decompression for example.
AeneaGames
Member
And yet devs love the PS5 SDK! Sony does software rather well actually, the only thing they needed to go the hardware route for is BC, that's because their API's are more lowlevel I am assuming and makes total sense. Since with MS the DirectX API's are slightly higher level but that makes it easier for BC. Both have their advantages tho.
Anyway, I kinda hope that MS can do some magic that the XSX can match the SSD speed of the PS5, because then more games will be optimised for the PS5's I/O speed!
MasterCornholio
Member
Having great BC is a bonus but the trade-off is a bit of performance. What I don't know is how much that cost in performance is.
Lethal01
Member
It sounded like they were saying the demo itself took only <800mb of space on disk.
I'm not sure what they mean by the streaming pool in this case
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AeneaGames
Member
Sony has opted not to do it in the same way for the PS4 Pro and now the PS5, seems to me they feel the performance boost they are getting with it is certainly worth it!
Bo_Hazem
Banned
More like 0.7GB out of 16GB of RAM is needed to assist streaming from the SSD, has nothing to do with how big the demo is.
While the xbox GPU is busy accessing it's memory at 560GB/s please explain how the CPU and the rest of the system can access it's memory?
saintjules
Member
Looks kinda real to me, at least the way the shadow from his hand is reflected on the left side of the controller. Otherwise, that's a hell of an impressive fake.
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
And who did that exactly?
It's not remotely a gimmick; but the tech in the PS5 is ahead of it's time compared to how large game sizes can reasonably be. I'd find it very difficult to argue otherwise. They can stream far more data around than is reasonable for a game to actually have that many assets at this point in time.
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thelastword
Banned
I remember when I said that this game could run 4k 60fps, you had the usual suspects with their lol emoticons. I mean how could you not see that the majority of what's being pushed here is as a result of the blazing SSD. I can see games running at 4k 60fps on PS5 with even more of a budget for facial details and ATD than what we saw in the Unreal demo....And of course PS Studios will do just that.....
This is actually pretty damn impressive considering the frame time limit for 30FPS (33.3ms) and 60FPS (16.7ms). Formula is 1000milliseconds/FPS the game’s currently running at. So since it says the frame time the PS5 achieved just through geometry rendering is “comfortably in budget” for 60FPS output, that means even after rendering the entire frame (including the GeometryBuffer and everything else), PS5’s frame time will still probably be under 10ms. Meaning it can easily run the UE5 demo at 4K@60FPS.
The Unreal demo was just a glimpse of what PS5 can do, roughly it's texturing and lighting capability, it was not meant to show 4k 60fps. I told folk with time if this turns out to be a real game, it can easily do 4k 60fps with more dev time, and lo and behold......
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Hello guys, lately I think I've read something like "Tempest engine is composed of 4 CUs", and if I'm not mistaken it was on this forum. I went back to check the "Road to PS5" video, and Cerny clearly says it's "a (single) modified compute unit".
I've been caught in the trolling process, or did we have an update on how tempest is made? Probably it was just one of those shitty rumors/ insider knowledge episodes
You got confused in the reading. AMD TrueAudio Next needed to reserve 4 CU's to produce around 32 true 3D sources around 2017:
The Tempest can make 5,000 sound sources and hundreds of complex true 3D audio sources, making every droplet of rain to have its own sound source.
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Three Jackdaws
Unconfirmed Member
Just curious Bo, but do you have a folder of all these screenshots from Mark Cerny's tech talk?You got confused in the reading. AMD TrueAudio Next needed to reserve 4 CU's to produce around 32 true 3D sources around 2017:
The Tempest can make 5,000 sound sources and hundreds of complex true 3D audio sources, making every droplet in rain to have its own sound source.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
If that was true, XSX and PC will be able to run that exact demo easily. Guess what? They simply can't. And no one knows the demo size, I personally doubt it to be more than 10GB if not much less.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Just curious Bo, but do you have a folder of all these screenshots from Mark Cerny's tech talk?
Just type "droplet ps5 tempest" on google, and "AMD TrueAudio Next", image search.
Jdroop
Member
That’s why I think it’s real also
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
What in the world does my statement have to do with the bolded?
And you think the entire demo was 10GB but it consistently leveraged 5.5GB/second of bandwidth?
Bo_Hazem
Banned
It's not about 5.5-22 gigabytes per second, more about 5.5-22 megabytes per millisecond which is more critical.
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Great Hair
Banned
In the worst case, ya gotta have to upgrade your CPU from 6 to 24 cores
Also what to expect form Halo 6. Might be just Xbone One X? visuals, there´s some shadow issue (hand). The 2018 e3 looked better than the e3 2019 halo teaser. Looks nice but ...
yewles1
Member
Because the thought of having to call out a bottom feeding Tilapia is always cringy.Sure I believe that (for now), I'm just your flavour for the day. Next week your fins will be all over Bo, and well after that its Geordie or whoever else that takes your fancy at the time. You FLOOZY... LoL why am I cringing at what I just wrote
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