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[zaitsu]

What worries me the most :
-Sony showed first party and third party running on their hardware
- Ms showed last gen loading times in backcompatybylity! They even didnt show halo on XSX,


Its funny because many people here said that PS5 isnt ready etc. Yet sony provided devkits to third party at least one year before competition. First party devs had for years right now. For me it look like MS was late with providing devkits even for they internal studios .

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

they're going to revert back to saying PS5 is GCN and not RDNA lolol

Well that was the great thing about PS5 RDNA news we had from that sony engineer Leonardi saga.

In the end it actually completely clarified the situation and also added yet more legitimacy to it having more features than RDNA2.

 

[silent head]

 

[SlimySnake]

How are people saying you can’t compare TLOU2 to Halo?
Do we even know how open world Halo is?
One runs on a 1.8tf machine that’s 7 years old.
I mean Ghost of Tsushima looks much better and that’s fully open world.
You’re telling me 10 more tf isn’t enough to get double the frames?
That dude for DF is a fucking tool bag.

Dont fall for Phil's misleading statements. cross gen games cannot scale their graphics beyond resolution and some minor settings here and there. Halo looks bad because it has to run on a 1.3 tflops gpu with jaguar cores at 60 fps. A game made from the ground up on the 12 tflops xsx will almost definitely look better than tlou as shown by PS5 games running at 10 tflops.

 

[Metroiddarks]

MGSV is a masterpiece, visually awesome, and still the best human AI on this gen.

TLoU 2 is very close to that also.

People did. He got them all banned. it was a saturday night massacre on a random tuesday.

PlayStation 5 System Architecture Deep Dive |OT| Secret Agent Cerny

How about you quote what i actually said and you will realise I did not say at all what you just typed. how about this ResetERA moderation, how about you actually do something? I am calling this complete and utter bullshit. I clearly never said anything of the sort and have made Videos in the...

www.resetera.com

Even those who brought receipts.

I like to see Dictator as this rookie playing his first year in the big leagues. He's not yet learned all the tricks and thinks hes hot shit. He needs to be humbled and even though he might have managed to win that round by getting everyone banned, I think he realized that he was clearly in the wrong and has calmed down since. Maybe Dark talked to him, but I havent seen him spout nonsense like this since. He was also surprisingly impressed by RT in PS5 games and owned up to his earlier statements about RT not being possible on consoles. I remember Richard being super biased last gen, but he has been extremely critical of MS and has gone out of his way to praise Sony exclusives and hardware. He was one of the few people in the industry who didnt take a massive dump on the Pro when everyone on gaf was crying anti-consumer over sony releasing a new console mid gen.

In Resetera confuse a very simple thing, for them is:

DF person == Game dev
Game dev > Normal user

When is reality should be

DF person == Youtuber
Youtuber ≈ Normal user
Game dev > Youtuber

For this kind of stuff any DF person or similar is untouchable.

How are people saying you can’t compare TLOU2 to Halo?
Do we even know how open world Halo is?
One runs on a 1.8tf machine that’s 7 years old.
I mean Ghost of Tsushima looks much better and that’s fully open world.
You’re telling me 10 more tf isn’t enough to get double the frames?
That dude for DF is a fucking tool bag.

If the Spiderman Mile Morales in 60 fps mode has at least the same graphics as the current Spiderman game
of PS4, then what ? they will invent another excuse, the problem of Halo looks like as crossgen but they present it as state
of the art in graphics for the new gen.

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

I know people are going to say that it's still too soon for me to say some something like this, but after this disaster, A LOT OF PEOPLE OWE ALI SALEHI OF CRYTEK AN APOLOGY!!!

Yes well worth another read I think...

(*) Ali Salehi, a rendering engineer at Crytek contrasts the next Gen consoles in interview (Up: Tweets/Article removed)

Original find belongs to @M-V2, I did translation and some editing and @CJY had also made a translation post in Next Gen Thread. Someone sent me this and very interesting reading... If it's not tralsated them translate it on Google chrome https://vigiato.net/p/85342 Edit 1: @benjohn is a...

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[J_Gamer.exe]

Just for clarification how do the Microsoft multipliers work on end results? Is Halo actual 2.5 times better than what I’m seeing?

Maybe the multiplier was the wrong way round?

 

[Codexer]

 

[zaitsu]

They made most powerful console just to concentrate on low end machine and gamepass, because raw numbers isnt enough to sell something as most powerful when your competition show better looking games on " weaker machine.

 

[Raoul_Duke]

 

[jose4gg]

If you told me Halo looked as a past generation game like RED REDEMPTION 2 that already has 4K in XoneX and now you can put a similar game in XSX at 60fps I’m still not buying that console, but at least I know I’m getting height fidelity graphics.
Halo development has been a disaster, plain and simple.

 

[LED Guy?]

I just love how DF's John Linneman kept it real with Halo Infinite and how he shut Alex Battaglia down

Alex appears to be feeling some type of way about PlayStation exclusives because he knows how those exclusives push technological boundaries and artistry in ways no other developer can do (except maybe Rockstar Games with them).

Anyways here's the tweet with the video:



And this one:

 

[zaitsu]

I just love how DF's John Linneman kept it real with Halo Infinite and how he shut Alex Battaglia down

Alex appears to be feeling some type of way about PlayStation exclusives because he knows how those exclusives push technological boundaries and artistry in ways no other developer can do (except maybe Rockstar Games with them).

Anyways here's the tweet with the video:

Ive liked how alex was stunned by Forza trailer graphic even in 30 fps or hellblade2 in 24fps. 60 fps argument matter only if you can bully sony with that.

 

[B_Boss]

LoL @ dictator 10 minutes into the video trying to bash the image quality on the Sony 1st party games by repeating the 30 fps mantra

seriously, this guy is embarrassing...

Ive said it before and I’ll say it again, I simply refuse to watch Alex Battaglia.

For me they are not credible anymore. From XOX they were biased toward MS, not bashing halo only proved it. They were nitpicking Horizon and now Halo is ok. Just wtf. Unsubbed.

Edit : John is smart guy i like him.

Love John/ D dark10x , always have but I refuse to watch Alex Battaglia. He does absolutely nothing for me and clearly allows bias to cloud analysis. He has lost all credibility with me personally. I mean I don’t even mind fanboys, I honestly don’t but allowing it to dictate (pun intended) your analysis? Nah man....

 

[Deleted member 775630]

How are people saying you can’t compare TLOU2 to Halo?
Do we even know how open world Halo is?
One runs on a 1.8tf machine that’s 7 years old.
I mean Ghost of Tsushima looks much better and that’s fully open world.
You’re telling me 10 more tf isn’t enough to get double the frames?
That dude for DF is a fucking tool bag.

I think the most important part is that you are comparing an unfinished game with a finished game.

 

[Zoro7]

I think the most important part is that you are comparing an unfinished game with a finished game.

I get that to an extent. But its not like they showed us the whole game. It was like a 5 minute or so segment. This must literally be the best footage they have.

 

[Great Hair]

Warhammer 40K Darktide = World War Z
4 co-op zombie shooter

Darktide’s reveal trailer was all cinematic, but it implied very much that we’d be able to join with up to 4 co-op players to survive a wealth of sci-fi infused Left 4 Dead-like scenarios

no thanks

 

[BlueXImpulse]

I think this gen is going to be brutal for the boys in green. I expect Playstation to set industry benchmark after industry benchmark with 1st party offerings..

 

[zaitsu]

I think the most important part is that you are comparing an unfinished game with a finished game.

We can compare ending generations. XOX was much more powerful console than PS4 pro, yet it has NONE ( ZERO NULL) exclusive game looking better than PRO exclusives. Gears5 can look good sometime but they are stiff pile of wood. XoX definitely deserved better.

 

[zaitsu]

I get that to an extent. But its not like they showed us the whole game. It was like a 5 minute or so segment. This must literally be the best footage they have.

4 month to launch is time to improve minor bugs not rework whole engine. Because thats what this game needs right now, fundamental rework.

 

[Zoro7]

4 month to launch is time to improve minor bugs not rework whole engine. Because thats what this game needs right now, fundamental rework.

I think a delay would be very beneficial but then the Series X would launch without that big title. No chance of that happening.

 

[Snowdonhoffen]

And this one:

Yeah, probably it would be for the best to delay it a few months, but I doubt Microsoft dares to do that, without it Xbox Series X has no big heavy hitter to launch with and seeing the past 2 Xbox showcases haven't had the best reactions, not even views close to the competition, I don't think MS is willing to take all that backlash that would come from delaying the game.

 

[zaitsu]

There clearly not ready for this year, we can stop pretending that having devkit for 6 months before launch is enough.

 

[RicochetBullet]

Oh dear God........(of War)

 

[zaitsu]

Oh dear God........(of War)

Too early, 2022 woukd sounds fine.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

I get that to an extent. But its not like they showed us the whole game. It was like a 5 minute or so segment. This must literally be the best footage they have.

Indeed, which should tell you enough about the state the game is in. This isn't the end result. 343i created a beautiful Halo 4, these people aren't idiots. It's just not in the state they are planning to release it in.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

4 month to launch is time to improve minor bugs not rework whole engine. Because thats what this game needs right now, fundamental rework.

Yeah I don't get the 4 months is a long time to make big improvements narrative. Gaming press had an extensive hands-on for TLoU2 5 months before its original release date and looked great and didn't change outside polishing. All I will say is if it is true what we saw on Thursday was PC because the game doesn't look/run well enough yet on XSX hardware then god help them.

Also games have to be submitted for certification way in advance of release and get duplicated/packaged 4-6 weeks before launch (though digital sales and patching have cut this time down possibly). I remember PS4 Pro games had to start being submitted for cert in August 2016 and that console released in November....

 

[Zoro7]

Indeed, which should tell you enough about the state the game is in. This isn't the end result. 343i created a beautiful Halo 4, these people aren't idiots. It's just not in the state they are planning to release it in.

We shall see. I just don't think there's enough time to make this game look fundamentally better than it does. I could be wrong as I have been many times before.

 

[silent head]

30FPS

 

[thurnishaleygw]

Indeed, which should tell you enough about the state the game is in. This isn't the end result. 343i created a beautiful Halo 4, these people aren't idiots. It's just not in the state they are planning to release it in.

The fact that they're going to introduce ray tracing in a post-launch update is quite telling to what might be the state of the game upon its release. That tells me they've fallen behind schedule, and they surely could benefit from a couple of months of extra work before releasing the game, but I guess that's something Microsoft can't really afford, losing its flagship franchise as a basically launch title on Series X.

 

[Shio]

If 15 million people are paying 15 dollars a month to play the game does it matter how many physical copies it sold when in three months they can make more money then the paid to make the game?

If they all only played one game they sure but i think the way it works is a little percentage of money goes to each game played on ganepass? So in that case it's not a simple calculation

 

[waxer]

Sony Havnt even gone over bc yet. If Got looks better in bc mode than sx launch games it will be...... Well entertaining on here that's for sure.

 

[Vae_Victis]

Warhammer 40K Darktide = World War Z
4 co-op zombie shooter



no thanks

It will be Vermintide but in WH 40K rather than WH Fantasy. Fatshark is a one-trick pony, I promise you you can watch a gameplay video of Vermintide 2 and it will be at least 80% representative of how Darktide will work.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

The fact that they're going to introduce ray tracing in a post-launch update is quite telling to what might be the state of the game upon its release. That tells me they've fallen behind schedule, and they surely could benefit from a couple of months of extra work before releasing the game, but I guess that's something Microsoft can't really afford, losing its flagship franchise as a basically launch title on Series X.

MS can't afford to launch Series X without Halo.
But
MS can't afford to launch Series X with a Halo that is in Early Access either.

I am not sure which is the more damaging. At least with a delayed Halo, they would be admitting their faults and take the hit on the chin with their pride intact. But if they launch with a Halo that isn't in a presentable state to players? The mockery would reverberate around the planet.

 

[Zzpaff]

in sony they did not know how to decipher the unfathomable mysteries of adding more CU ... until I see the soc to the microscope xva is the story of granny ... the same is for those that the games of the presentation run on pc are hitting xva to the apu one by one like stamps

 

[Killer Sakoman]

If 15 million people are paying 15 dollars a month to play the game does it matter how many physical copies it sold when in three months they can make more money then the paid to make the game?

No because they have 1000s of games. Many studios need theirt money back.

 

[Hobbygaming]

tbh, i was perfectly fine with DriveClub at 30 fps which looked amazing next to all the forza games and GT Sports. Only Forza Horizon 4 gave driveclub a run for its money and they were smart enough to keep it 30 fps on base console.

I like what Naughty Dog did with Uncharted 4. 30 fps campaign with insane visuals and 60 fps mp with massively paired back visuals at a lower res. iirc, kzsf also did something similar by using some kind of checkerboarding in mp to hit higher framerates than the campaign, though it never really went beyond 50 fps.

To me, thats the best way to go about doing this. You really dont need 60 fps in campaigns. and even if you really want, just do what Rage, Borderlands, GoW, SoTC did.... have the mid gen hardware run the game at 60 fps while running at lower resolutions. let the base console run at 30 fps.

I didnt think about 4 player splitscreen. that explains a lot. the game now has to worry about keeping track of 4 players wrecking havoc on the map, and the AI has to adjust which probably requires more cpu power. just a string of really stupid decisions.

developers need to stop listening to vocal minorities on the internet. native 4k, 60 fps, 120 fps. they are all a waste of resources. if people want all those things, they can always play on PC. even PS exclusives are going to pc now.

This is why whenever a poll is posted on here about 60FPS vs 30FPS I always choose 30FPS because people don't realize how much a hit to graphics 60FPS is, though some developers are good at giving both like DICE, Capcom with DMC5 but they are the exceptions

 

[Tulipanzo]

This is why whenever a poll is posted on here about 60FPS vs 30FPS I always choose 30FPS because people don't realize how much a hit to graphics 60FPS is, though some developers are good at giving both like DICE, Capcom with DMC5 but they are the exceptions

The problem people have is that not only did it not look good, but it looked like a bad Destiny mission.
If the game had a genuine sense of scale, it being disappointing graphically wouldn't have mattered as much.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

MS can't afford to launch Series X without Halo.
But
MS can't afford to launch Series X with a Halo that is in Early Access either.

I am not sure which is the more damaging. At least with a delayed Halo, they would be admitting their faults and take the hit on the chin with their pride intact. But if they launch with a Halo that isn't in a presentable state to players? The mockery would reverberate around the planet.

Again it seems they've put all their eggs in one basket with Halo. What other first-party AAA games do they have coming in the first full year? I don't believe there is anything?

Yet with Sony there were 5? arguable AAA games shown and the word is all those games in the reveal will be out by the end of 2021 with possibly more to be announced.

 

[zaitsu]

Sony Havnt even gone over bc yet. If Got looks better in bc mode than sx launch games it will be...... Well entertaining on here that's for sure.

GOT some has low res textures that hurts my eyes, but beside that Im overall impressed with artstyle. I think that TLOU2 and GOT if they get right treatment can overshadow anything that will came up this year.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

Again it seems they've put all their eggs in one basket with Halo. What other first-party AAA games do they have coming in the first full year? I don't believe there is anything?

Yet with Sony there were 5? arguable AAA games shown and the word is all those games in the reveal will be out by the end of 2021 with possibly more to be announced.

Sony basically went all hands on deck for the last two years, which caused them to skip game conventions and basically said nothing. This caused some people to be upset and mistaken the silence for a lack of action. Sony was BUSY, they were setting up games for the PS5, and they were not going to waste time talking about it until it is good and ready. Sony is where they are now because of a very long prep time, because sometimes you can't buy time with money. If you want AAA games at launch of a console, you had to be prepared to work your ass off and do it ahead of time. Sony has a plan and they are sticking with it.

Xbox has a plan too. it is called Gamepass. We will see if it is enough of a substitute.

 

[FunkMiller]

What worries me the most :
-Sony showed first party and third party running on their hardware
- Ms showed last gen loading times in backcompatybylity! They even didnt show halo on XSX,

Its funny because many people here said that PS5 isnt ready etc. Yet sony provided devkits to third party at least one year before competition. First party devs had for years right now. For me it look like MS was late with providing devkits even for they internal studios .

Have we actually seen anything that's been confirmed as running on XBox Series X? Anything at all?

 

[Snowdonhoffen]

Have we actually seen anything that's been confirmed as running on XBox Series X? Anything at all?

Minecraft and Gears 5

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

Have we actually seen anything that's been confirmed as running on XBox Series X? Anything at all?

This is critical. 4 months is not a lot of time for a console launch. By now if it wasn't for covid, both sides would have been showcasing demos in conventions. And arguably, if you want to sell a console, you need to show it working as advertised. I really don't understand what is stopping MS from releasing Series X game footage.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Sony basically went all hands on deck for the last two years, which caused them to skip game conventions and basically said nothing. This caused some people to be upset and mistaken the silence for a lack of action. Sony was BUSY, they were setting up games for the PS5, and they were not going to waste time talking about it until it is good and ready. Sony is where they are now because of a very long prep time, because sometimes you can't buy time with money. If you want AAA games at launch of a console, you had to be prepared to work your ass off and do it ahead of time. Sony has a plan and they are sticking with it.

Xbox has a plan too. it is called Gamepass. We will see if it is enough of a substitute.

Before the show I said I hoped that 1, there would be some great new games (insiders promised massive bombs.....!) as well as the big known AAA games and 2, that Microsoft would at least put up a good fight to Sony so they don't get cocky or arrogant.

Right now it looks like it is Sony's gen to lose and Microsoft have shown they are going a completely different way. I just hope it doesn't mean PS5 is now going to be priced higher than it otherwise would with solid competition.

 

[Snowdonhoffen]

Smh

 

[Hobbygaming]

I am not surprised that Forza has better RT. those 1.8 extra tflops will help with better RT. Even when they final reveal the actual game running at native 4k 60 fps, the RT will simply look better.

I just dont think Forza's lighting can ever match Gran Turismo and no amount ray traced reflections will save that. Maybe if they went with ray traced GI and fully simulated lighting then sure, but they dont seem to be doing that in the trailer. The lighting has always been what sets GT apart. You can see that in this pre-rendered trailer running at 30 fps. You can compare it to the gif i posted above or the one below. Lighting is the key.

Yep lighting makes a world of difference. Forza never really nailed this aspect IMO but they have gotten a little better

 

[Hobbygaming]

All laughs and memes aside, Halo Infinite doesn't prove that Series X is a bad machine, but rather that Halo hass a grossly, grossly poor development.

Third parties and more capable/better managed 1st party devs will definitely show us the power of the box.

It's just sad and ironic that their flagship title won't be the one who'll do it.

I mean, can you imagine the next God of War looking like God of War 2 (PS2) at 4K/60 fps? How much of a colossal fuck up would that be?

Sony knows their audience, they're going to have so many games showing great graphics

A new Resistance or Killzone on PS5 would look like a generational leap over Halo Infinite

 

[Zzpaff]

I think Kyle Bossman brought this up, but Phil had this hilarious idea that everything needs to be available on Gamepass which ended up backfiring because no Publisher in their right state of mind would send their $100 million AAA game to gamepass so people can get it for a dollar. Which is why you didnt see any AAA games like RE8 or Project Athia from Square Enix. I mean CoD is coming out this year and hasnt been revealed. couldve been the perfect time to show it off. but it cant be on gamepass. Same goes for the Rocksteady batman games. DICE couldve had a fake trailer ready for their next BF which is coming out next year, but again, it cant be on gamepass.

Phil, in order to sell gamepass as this amazing thing ended up cock blocking himself.

They were going through difficult times and their mouths warmed, and it is that probably a lot of people would pay the subscription even if the games were not included in the launch gamepass ... but for this Saint Windows to be the patron of bankruptcies avoided, why the hell? , they are late to everything ...

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

All laughs and memes aside, Halo Infinite doesn't prove that Series X is a bad machine, but rather that Halo hass a grossly, grossly poor development.

Third parties and more capable/better managed 1st party devs will definitely show us the power of the box.

It's just sad and ironic that their flagship title won't be the one who'll do it.

I mean, can you imagine the next God of War looking like God of War 2 (PS2) at 4K/60 fps? How much of a colossal fuck up would that be?

But if Halo of all things is badly managed, how much better managed could any other Microsoft studio be?

Ugly games get made all the time. The world keeps tuning. But when the ugly game is a famous franchise from the platform owner, arguably its most famous IP (if you pretend Minecraft doesn't exist), something is going on that we don't know about.

I was never a Microsoft fan, but even I never predicted that Halo Infinite would be in the state it is currently in. How did it even get this bad?