LostDonkey
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As long as I can play the campaign co op with friends from day 1 I'll be happy.
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343 says the Halo demo was the polished version at the MS show
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As long as I can play the campaign co op with friends from day 1 I'll be happy.
aries_71
Junior Member
All these people are probably hating the fact they develop the quintessential shooter with a middle-aged white male protagonist that kills aliens and has a naked blue chick in his pocket. They must be hating every minute and it shows.
Yes, but this was their moment , instead they borked it, instead of endlessly polishing it .
Mista
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Not at all. I still want to think that what was shown is an older build but looks like I can’t give them any more excuses...
Paps Guattro
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Aion002
Member
Phil is probably thinking in cancelling the whole thing and shutting down 343 right now.
They need an Yoshida at MS....
Yoshida is the dude that when Demon's Souls was first showed for him he had the balls to say that it played like crap....
- This is crap," Yoshida recalled saying. "This is an unbelievably bad game." -
Conclusion, From Software called Myazaki that fixed the whole thing and the game became a master piece.
Yoshida was also the dude that on the first time he played the newest God of War he scared Cory Barlog...
"He kinda just shook his head and walked out the door," Barlog said. "He never told me how he felt. In fact, he only told one of my friends, who he saw at a party. He [Yoshida] said, 'Oh, you're working on God of War? I just gotta say, I played the game the other day. I was horrified.' - Cory Barlog.
Shuhei Yoshida's first play of God of War - "He was horrified"
There may still be more than four months still to go, but God of War seems certain to among a small handful of names in…
www.gamesindustry.biz
Conclusion, Santa Monica fixed the damn thing and God of War turned out to be a GOTY.
Tulipanzo
Member
MS has that guy, but he shows up to add MTX, lootboxes, GaaS and coop.Phil is probably thinking in cancelling the whole thing and shutting down 343 right now.
They need an Yoshida at MS....
Yoshida is the dude that when Demon's Souls was first showed for him he had the balls to say that it played like crap....
- This is crap," Yoshida recalled saying. "This is an unbelievably bad game." -
Conclusion, From Software called Myazaki that fixed the whole thing and the game became a master piece.
Yoshida was also the dude that on the first time he played the newest God of War he scared Cory Barlog...
"He kinda just shook his head and walked out the door," Barlog said. "He never told me how he felt. In fact, he only told one of my friends, who he saw at a party. He [Yoshida] said, 'Oh, you're working on God of War? I just gotta say, I played the game the other day. I was horrified.' - Cory Barlog.
Shuhei Yoshida's first play of God of War - "He was horrified"
There may still be more than four months still to go, but God of War seems certain to among a small handful of names in…
Conclusion, Santa Monica fixed the damn thing and God of War turned out to be a GOTY.
Jack Peterson
Banned
That's gonna be a MASSIVE yikes from me.
Nemesis Prime
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There’s gonna be a documentary in 10 years time when 343 shuts down, and I’m very curious to hear what happened
MacReady13
Member
This is the reason that, when you make a next gen console, you just make games for the next gen console. Move on from the old generation and focus on the next gen. Sony is doing it and will reap the rewards.
Microsoft I'm trying so hard to stay in love with you but you lost me at the Kinect on the 360 (which, up until that point was my fav console of all time) and you've gone downhill ever since. Ditch the Xbox one. It sold approx a 3rd of what the PS4 did. Just move well past this generation. Forget about it. Start fresh and move on. Much like Nintendo did after the wiiu debacle. Move on.
Microsoft I'm trying so hard to stay in love with you but you lost me at the Kinect on the 360 (which, up until that point was my fav console of all time) and you've gone downhill ever since. Ditch the Xbox one. It sold approx a 3rd of what the PS4 did. Just move well past this generation. Forget about it. Start fresh and move on. Much like Nintendo did after the wiiu debacle. Move on.
Captain Hero
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I believe you
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I play Fortnite and Civ VI and Heroes of the Storm. All games that look like mediocre PS3/360 games.
I'm honestly at the point where I think the better a game looks, the worse it will be. Developers can do more interesting things with simple assets. RDR2 looked great but the impression it left on me was a mixture of boredom and frustration.
About 10 seconds into the Halo Infinite demo, my thoughts went to "Oh no! It plays just like all the the other Halo games..." I literally never even thought about graphics until I saw the Craig memes start popping up.
To me, the gameplay is the bigger issue, by an order of magnitude.
oldergamer
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What are you talking about? stop trying to make up narratives. Zero of this was any reaction to Sony. How do you bridge hardware bug in devkits to reacting to sony? Or are you talking about showing the game too early?
This isn't the first time hardware issues were found while in development on a new console platform. PS3, literally didn't have real hardware until long after the reveal ( Heavenly sword was rendered out on a PS3 at 1 frame per second and compiled into a video for its reveal). Xbox 360 hardware arrived super late for developers. Usually its firmware bugs that are the performance limiting factor. even PS4 and Xbox had performance issues with revisions of firmware.
Anyway, for CPU and GPU you can find a match on PC, but you won't get the hardware changes for compression and decompression + some of the other features of xbox hardware. So saying it was demonstrated on a PC with an SSD isn't the same as using actual hardware. MS fucked up, and should have pushed this conference off if they didn't have the real hardware. I can see the reasoning behind it, but I just don't agree with demoing on anything but.
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turtlepowa
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Can please someone explain this gif? I just don't get it.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Xbox 360 was rushed out of the door to give them a year of headstart against the upcoming PS3 (with a CPU IBM gave them after Sony partially funded its development, but that is a whole other story) and we have seen what that resulted in.
PS3 also was a design which fluctuated till the last minute with a GPU cobbled together in the last two years or less after their internal GPU solution Toshiba was working with them on was canned causing quite an internal surprise in Toshiba’s rank and file. PS3’s software stack/dev tooling solutions also suffered greatly from this resulting in more CG demos than real-time gameplay and several troubles for first party and third party developers alike.
To me it seems you did choose examples backing my point more than anything...
.Some people pushed the narrative of PS5’s architecture as revealed being a knee jerk reaction to the XSX, but given how close to release they are compared to MS one could legitimately wonder if the opposite is not the case (consider the performance issues and HW bugs preventing developers from showing off games on real HW 3-4 months from launch are all tied to the XVA).
Also, while you can project a very ambitious 12.x TFLOPS sustained plan you may conveniently forget to mention that will take extra months upon months of R&D and how it is affecting the devkit and tools readiness for developers.
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mejin
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everyone would lose their job, Spencer included.
Employee Spotlight: Ani Shastry
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Does anyone else think Halo gameplay demo was polished ?
I am a little concerned that we are so close to release yet they have to put in so much effort to even get this little part of the game functional.
I hope what we saw the other day is not what they would consider polished because it was not and anyone watching the presentation can see that.
Rossco EZ
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Ryuji Goda
Member
343is a diverse team so if you criticize halo infinite you racist af
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Well few months before the HW is supposedly in stores and they are unable to run their top of the line game on real HW stably enough for an internal produced demo reel... well...
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Psykodad
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Why don't you just accept it?
Dory16
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Delay it guys. Make it the best it can be. Take another year. Otherwise you may end up with the next Anthem on your hands.Employee Spotlight: Ani Shastry
Ani Shastry shares how his love for stars, science fiction and pixels led him to work for his all-time favorite game franchise.
Does anyone else think Halo gameplay demo was polished ?
Ryuji Goda
Member
For real though. Bu bu pre alpha
zwiggelbig
Member
microsoft wil not have the balls to delay this game but its almost a must at this point..
Ryuji Goda
Member
Brooo, they have fucking pronouns in that 343 bio. He/him
Plague Doctor
Member
Polished? Bullshit.
I know some people clutch to, "PR? What is it? Every company does it!" but there is a fucking limit to fluffery.
I said it before, this was the big show and the gameplay should have been vetted with a fine tooth comb. Either it wasn't... or worse, it was and this is what we got.
I know some people clutch to, "PR? What is it? Every company does it!" but there is a fucking limit to fluffery.
I said it before, this was the big show and the gameplay should have been vetted with a fine tooth comb. Either it wasn't... or worse, it was and this is what we got.
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Hobbygaming
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Yeah true, that makes perfect sense
turtlepowa
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How do people find stuff like this? There is more digging up dirt going on with console wars than with presidential elections
Ryuji Goda
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This is more important than politicsHow do people find stuff like this? There is more digging up dirt going on with console wars than with presidential elections
Simpkin92
Member
IMO:
XSX - is not the problem, amazing power and capability
Phil - is not the problem, Good Game Ideas and fan service reboots (although he should try to talk out of his ass less)
XB1 - this is part of the problem due to having to run the game on it. However, holy crap Infinite should still look 10 times better. I fully expect Microsoft to drop this cross gen sooner than later. 1 year after launch probably. This is hinted at in their conference game trailers not listing Xbox one.
343: this is your main problem. Look at the track record: 4 (huge step down), 5 (major screw up trying to cut out chief, WTF!), MCC (we all know how abysmal this game was for years). Then we trust these guys to make a new engine and deliver? They dropped the ball. They are more concerned about diversity and sexual preference parity within their studio than making an amazing game.
Microsoft needs to dissolve them and give halo to a better studio. Chief deserves better
XSX - is not the problem, amazing power and capability
Phil - is not the problem, Good Game Ideas and fan service reboots (although he should try to talk out of his ass less)
XB1 - this is part of the problem due to having to run the game on it. However, holy crap Infinite should still look 10 times better. I fully expect Microsoft to drop this cross gen sooner than later. 1 year after launch probably. This is hinted at in their conference game trailers not listing Xbox one.
343: this is your main problem. Look at the track record: 4 (huge step down), 5 (major screw up trying to cut out chief, WTF!), MCC (we all know how abysmal this game was for years). Then we trust these guys to make a new engine and deliver? They dropped the ball. They are more concerned about diversity and sexual preference parity within their studio than making an amazing game.
Microsoft needs to dissolve them and give halo to a better studio. Chief deserves better
I think you guys are being harsh on this.
This game was clearly, CLEARLY, built for Xbox One. A Halo game to be open-world at 60fps on Xbox One was the goal here. At some point very late into the process, Microsoft wanted this game to be updated for the Xbox Series X. You cannot simply "transfer" everything into next-gen with the flip of the switch. What you are seeing is a cross-gen game predominately built for the former.
This game was clearly, CLEARLY, built for Xbox One. A Halo game to be open-world at 60fps on Xbox One was the goal here. At some point very late into the process, Microsoft wanted this game to be updated for the Xbox Series X. You cannot simply "transfer" everything into next-gen with the flip of the switch. What you are seeing is a cross-gen game predominately built for the former.
digoutyoursoul
Member
What stood out to me, along with how flat it looked, was how very samey the gameplay is. Melee looked exactly like previous ones, animations the same from previous. I don't see a clear step up in anything with the game at all.
MasterCornholio
Member
Yes those balls are made from poop.
Anyways what they showed us is probably what we will get at launch. There can be some optimizations but it will look roughly the same.
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Vawn
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There's never a wrong reason to give the douche a hard time.
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
So it was not a new game pro consumerly ported down not to force people to upgrade, but a game held back from releasing on Xbox One sooner in order to upscale it for XSX’s launch as everything else was behind schedule (software draughts for existing customers be darned)?
Is this the take we should believe?
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Vawn
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