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[Sinthor]

Stalker is a first-person shooter with a lot of slow exploration, ranged combat and stealth. 120 FPS sounds like a ridiculous idea for such game. It's better to put the resources into graphics and RT would be great for the title. If you're familiar with Metro games, Stalker is quite similar but more RPG and much, much more difficult. They're both based on books set in post-apocalyptic Russia which involve a nuclear disaster and aliens. Stalker's source was first but Metro author reimagined some things and made it more popular. I prefer the original, though.

Yeah I would think that the budget for a game like that would be much better spent on the graphic detail and things like RT as well. Then too...I have yet to see anything that wows me on the benefit of 120fps over 60fps. Even the Ori demo they showed in the MS showcase...they had to go slo-mo to show the difference and honestly...it didn't seem like a big deal to me. Maybe that's just me, admittedly.

Anyway, the Stalker series sounds like something I'd probably enjoy so looking forward to that!

 

[Sinthor]

I think you can move games between storages, at least you should be able too.

I thought they had said you could run games off of an attached USB HD as well, but you wouldn't get the benefit (obviously) of the faster loading times, etc. An interesting point though...surely you CAN still run PS5 games off of a "slow" attached HD? If you cannot, then that internal storage expansion will be even more valuable and the USB type storage may be relegated to PS4 games only along with storing any PS5 titles you don't want to have to re-download again if you decide to play them again.

 

[Saberus]

Have we heard ANYTHING else on the XSX split memory config and if/how that will affect total bandwidth? I know there were two main differing opinions as to whether the "slow" memory affected the whole system when being accessed or not, but just curious if that actually got any kind of solid information?

Also...we haven't gotten anything on why exactly the PS5 storage is such an odd, 'off' type of number, right? So many posts in this thread...hard to keep it all straight!

Actually there was lots of data regarding the 825GB of Storage space information .. I don't have links handy, but it was something to do with the 12 channels of data that connected to the SSD, because the way it was designed for speed, if they went above 825GB the next divisional level would put it above 1GB and cost would greatly increase.

 

[Saberus]

I thought they had said you could run games off of an attached USB HD as well, but you wouldn't get the benefit (obviously) of the faster loading times, etc. An interesting point though...surely you CAN still run PS5 games off of a "slow" attached HD? If you cannot, then that internal storage expansion will be even more valuable and the USB type storage may be relegated to PS4 games only along with storing any PS5 titles you don't want to have to re-download again if you decide to play them again.

Incorrect.. you can play your PS4 games from your USB HD.. But you cannot play PS5 games from USB HD.. now you can use the usb HD as storage only for your PS5 games.. and just move them back and fourth usb HD to PS5 SSD if you wish..

 

[FeiRR]

Yeah I would think that the budget for a game like that would be much better spent on the graphic detail and things like RT as well. Then too...I have yet to see anything that wows me on the benefit of 120fps over 60fps. Even the Ori demo they showed in the MS showcase...they had to go slo-mo to show the difference and honestly...it didn't seem like a big deal to me. Maybe that's just me, admittedly.

Anyway, the Stalker series sounds like something I'd probably enjoy so looking forward to that!

The problem with features like 120 FPS is how to present them over Internet. Very few people have displays which support it. It's going to change a bit in the coming years owing to new HDMI standards in modern TVs but I don't think 120 FPS is ever going to be huge in TVs as television and streaming don't need it. I've seen 120 FPS things in person and, even though you can notice the difference between it and 60 FPS while looking side-by-side, it's nothing groundbreaking in my opinion.

You can try the first Stalker game if you have an average PC. It should be dirt cheap right now. But beware, it's unforgiving, you have to heal every shot, you lack resources and die a lot. This might be very immersive, depending on your taste. I gave up because I lacked time and progress was slow. Anyway, I recommend reading the original book to get into the mood of the game.

 

[TheRaidenPT]

Actually there was lots of data regarding the 825GB of Storage space information .. I don't have links handy, but it was something to do with the 12 channels of data that connected to the SSD, because the way it was designed for speed, if they went above 825GB the next divisional level would put it above 1GB and cost would greatly increase.

Did they comment on how much is the OS?

 

[3liteDragon]

Jeff’s last SGM tweet from a week ago, he has Xboxing day (Lockhart reveal) come before Sony’s State of Play. Notice how it doesn’t say “early August” for Sony’s event like it did before, just “August.”

 

[kensama]

For those who wants to see in picture for incoming PS5 game date

 

[aclar00]

I thought they had said you could run games off of an attached USB HD as well, but you wouldn't get the benefit (obviously) of the faster loading times, etc. An interesting point though...surely you CAN still run PS5 games off of a "slow" attached HD? If you cannot, then that internal storage expansion will be even more valuable and the USB type storage may be relegated to PS4 games only along with storing any PS5 titles you don't want to have to re-download again if you decide to play them again.

I just hope there is one USB port on the back of the console. I hate how PS3 and 4 only have them in the front....stupid in my opinion for things like HDD or VR that will stay plug in almost indefinitely.

 

[Saberus]

Did they comment on how much is the OS?

Nope.. seems to be big secret.. the one theory that was out there was the OS will use the SSD instead and free up the 16 gigs of ram for games, or use very small amount of the 16 gigs, like 1 gig and rest runs off the SSD.. just talking out my ass, hope we know soon.

 

[kyliethicc]

I thought they had said you could run games off of an attached USB HD as well, but you wouldn't get the benefit (obviously) of the faster loading times, etc. An interesting point though...surely you CAN still run PS5 games off of a "slow" attached HD? If you cannot, then that internal storage expansion will be even more valuable and the USB type storage may be relegated to PS4 games only along with storing any PS5 titles you don't want to have to re-download again if you decide to play them again.

All PS5 games must be installed on the SSD to be played.

 

[kyliethicc]

I just hope there is one USB port on the back of the console. I hate how PS3 and 4 only have them in the front....stupid in my opinion for things like HDD or VR that will stay plug in almost indefinitely.

Yeah PS4 Pro has 1 on back, I hope PS5 has 1 on back too

 

[kyliethicc]

Have we heard ANYTHING else on the XSX split memory config and if/how that will affect total bandwidth? I know there were two main differing opinions as to whether the "slow" memory affected the whole system when being accessed or not, but just curious if that actually got any kind of solid information?

Also...we haven't gotten anything on why exactly the PS5 storage is such an odd, 'off' type of number, right? So many posts in this thread...hard to keep it all straight!

Cerny implied they wanted to use 12 flash modules, hence the 12 channel interface. so...

825 GB = 768 GiB / 12 = 64 GiB / 8 = 512 Gb modules. So it seems Sony is using 12 individual NAND flash modules, each being 512 Gb in size, to build their SSD. I think that’s why Cerny said 825 GB is the ”most natural size” for their 12 channel setup. Most natural because if they wanted to use bigger size flash chips, like 1024 Gb each and have a 1.65 TB SSD, it would cost too much. And anything less than 825 GB would be too little to ship the console. Just my guess

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Jeff’s last SGM tweet from a week ago, he has Xboxing day (Lockhart reveal) come before Sony’s State of Play. Notice how it doesn’t say “early August” for Sony’s event like it did before, just “August.”

Would mean Microsoft would go first with pricing because I can't imagine both waiting even longer.

 

[TheRaidenPT]

Jeff’s last SGM tweet from a week ago, he has Xboxing day (Lockhart reveal) come before Sony’s State of Play. Notice how it doesn’t say “early August” for Sony’s event like it did before, just “August.”

I have always been confused about that State of Play date people been throwing around, think it's August 6th isn't it?

If something were to happen next week it would have to be announced this week I suppose

 

[Nickolaidas]

I have always been confused about that State of Play date people been throwing around, think it's August 6th isn't it?

If something were to happen next week it would have to be announced this week I suppose

The way Jeff places it on that board gives me the impression State of Play is going to be between the 12th and the 21st of August.

 

[TheRaidenPT]

The way Jeff places it on that board gives me the impression State of Play is going to be between the 12th and the 21st of August.

I got the same impression.

I do hope we figure things out about both consoles before the end of September tired of this so called "leaks" regarding the tech specs

 

[Vae_Victis]

Another game running at 120 fps confirmed for XSX (sorry if it was already posted)

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 Will Support Ray-Tracing, 120 FPS on Xbox Series X

gamingbolt.com

Their "source" for this is the generic description of what "Optimized for Xbox Series X" means from the store page of the game:

"Games built using the Xbox Series X development kit are designed to take advantage of the unique capabilities of the Xbox Series X. They will showcase unparalleled load-times, visuals, responsiveness, and frame rates up to 120 FPS."

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2: Heart of Chornobyl | Xbox

Learn about the upcoming release of Stalker 2 from Xbox.

www.xbox.com

Nowhere in there it is said Stalker 2 will run at 120 FPS.

 

[splattered]

In case anyone wonders, 3000 sample pool is a huge one. You can predict nationwide trends pretty accurately (certainty accuracy of less than 5%) with just about 1000 well chosen representatives. Participants of a convention are a very good group to survey, as well: right age group and interests.

Definitely, just ask anyone at the next trump rally who our next president is gonna be and they'll tell you! Hahaha

Yeah no.

 

[Vae_Victis]

I have always been confused about that State of Play date people been throwing around, think it's August 6th isn't it?

If something were to happen next week it would have to be announced this week I suppose

I think the 6th comes from Roberto Serranò, and he's just spitballing number and names every time something is about to happen (being basically never right). If there will be an event on the 6th with any sort of importance (and a price/preorder one definitely is), by now Sony would be announcing it; if we reach the weekend and there is still nothing official, forget the event being next week.

Before Serranò came out with the exact date, I think several other sources were already saying "early August", and I'm a bit more inclined to believe that still stands. Could very well be in the second week of August.

 

[bitbydeath]

Won’t be August 6.
Sony have another reveal planned for that day.

 

[user1337]

Won’t be August 6.
Sony have another reveal planned for that day.

Tempest Audio!

It'll be headphone related, and nothing to do specifically with PS5.

 

[zaitsu]

Won’t be August 6.
Sony have another reveal planned for that day.

Cat and mouse play continues.
I hope preorders are going live in August ...

 

[DonkeyKong]

Really? I’m from the U.K too but I always thought U.K was a bit like America where Xbox is popular, well not as popular as PS but not far behind either. Those results are a total blood bath, I’m surprised. PS4’s success played a huge role in this I’m guessing.

Agree, I think Xbox and PS are close in the UK, the rest of europe not so much

 

[TheRaidenPT]

I think the 6th comes from Roberto Serranò, and he's just spitballing number and names every time something is about to happen (being basically never right). If there will be an event on the 6th with any sort of importance (and a price/preorder one definitely is), by now Sony would be announcing it; if we reach the weekend and there is still nothing official, forget the event being next week.

Before Serranò came out with the exact date, I think several other sources were already saying "early August", and I'm a bit more inclined to believe that still stands. Could very well be in the second week of August.

Can only believe jeffsnacks at this point

 

[zubairali2]

first august 6th now its the 13th? screw this liar

 

[Nickolaidas]

first august 6th now its the 13th? screw this liar

BuTpLaNsChAnGe!!

 

[thurnishaleygw]

first august 6th now its the 13th? screw this liar

"the date change is not yet official"

Neither it was the date you gave, ya dingus.



That guy, seriously...

 

[BadBreathOfTheWild]

Xbox 360 did very well in the UK. Everyone I knew bought one, and only a couple bought a PS3 at launch. By mid-gen most people had both.

The PS4 vs Xbox One generation was different and heavily stacked towards PS4.

Microsoft threw away the groundwork laid by 360 by not really understanding the market, relying on their diagnostic data and assuming games consoles were shifting into TV/movie streaming devices and focussed on that.

In the UK the Xbox One being weaker was just the final nail in an already built coffin, and not the entire story. It was the (American) TV focus and the fact it seemed like as soon as Microsoft felt they had established themselves at the top they wanted to remove used game sales, as well as all the patents and talk about using the Kinect as a marketing device, and all for an extra cost.

I think the Kinect being such a financial success also sent the wrong message to Microsoft. It was a marketing success, not a gaming one. I bought one as did many I know, and we all thought it was shit once the novelty wore off.
It being bundled and driving up the price put me off. As do voice controls in general, I’d rather have buttons.

From my feeling Xbox One would have tanked compared to 360 even if it was on parity with PS4 as far as power went, and still suffered even at the same price.

This current gen has made Sony look good, so the 85/15 split doesn’t seem surprising.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

"the date change is not yet official"

Neither it was the date you gave, ya dingus.



That guy, seriously...

We could decide to not quote him anymore, as a general consensus.

 

[thurnishaleygw]

We could decide to not quote him anymore, as a general consensus.

 

[hemo memo]

first august 6th now its the 13th? screw this liar

Postpone hahahahhaha yeah sure dude. Same with his ridiculous false pre-order date prediction before. Same with his stupid PS5/XSX release date prediction he posted like he would actually know this.

I’m waiting for Jeff. Enough with this Italian clown.

 

[zubairali2]

Postpone hahahahhaha yeah sure dude. Same with his ridiculous false pre-order date prediction before. Same with his stupid PS5/XSX release date prediction he posted like he would actually know this.

I’m waiting for Jeff. Enough with this Italian clown.

i agree, sorry everyone for posting it! lord jeff has my trust

 

[cragarmi]

Postpone hahahahhaha yeah sure dude. Same with his ridiculous false pre-order date prediction before. Same with his stupid PS5/XSX release date prediction he posted like he would actually know this.

I’m waiting for Jeff. Enough with this Italian clown.

He probably read about the music event here, then changed his 'prediction' realising that they were not going to host it the same week. I wouldn't mind so much if his prediction was not stated as fact in the first place.

Mid August would be my 'Prediction' BTW

 

[Knitted Knight]

We could decide to not quote him anymore, as a general consensus.

Should have been done a long time ago, especially after Eric Lempel's interview with Geoff.

 

[cragarmi]

Jeff’s last SGM tweet from a week ago, he has Xboxing day (Lockhart reveal) come before Sony’s State of Play. Notice how it doesn’t say “early August” for Sony’s event like it did before, just “August.”

Now this guy I trust!

 

[hemo memo]

He probably read about the music event here, then changed his 'prediction' realising that they were not going to host it the same week. I wouldn't mind so much if his prediction was not stated as fact in the first place.

He has proven himself wrong over and over and yet people still follow him. People could be fooled once and twice but not for the 20th time. It’s bizarre. People use your brain. Simple.

 

[YoodlePro]

Agree, I think Xbox and PS our close in the UK, the rest of europe not so much

it was like that ps3 gen, but Ps4 gen not so much. I have a lot of friends who jumped ship from 360 to PS4 after the reveals. I think in 2018 there were about 600K Ps4s sold and 400k Xbox sold, so almost 1.5x

 

[Darklor01]

I heard that in the five weeks leading to October, one week day one week at a time, Sony will give one digit of the price at a time starting with the far right. Once the full price is revealed, they will announce when they will announce pre orders to begin.

 

[Brudda26]

SIE patent for some new HDMI design

Yes that eager for ps5 news even this is news

 

[Snowdonhoffen]

I've decided to make a list of the rumors that we still haven't heard any confirmation so far, also adding the original source (as far as I know) some of this things may come from those "pseudoinsiders" but I think there is a chance for some of the things to end up being true.

- The remastering engine for PS5 legacy titles (Source: HipHop Gamer)
- Sony acquiring Kojima Productions (Source: HipHop Gamer)
- Sony acquiring a second studio besides KJP, probably Housemarque or Bluepoint (Source: FoxyGames UK)
- PS5's GPU has some features that will end up appearing on future AMD GPUs (Source: RedGaming Tech AKA @Dan_of_Rivia)
- Sony will show a teaser trailer for the next God of War in their next event (Source: Moore's Law Is Dead)
- Mark Cerny is working on a revival of a PlayStation classic title (Source: Moore's Law Is Dead)
- Japan Studio is working on a new Silent Hill game (Source: Dusk Golem)
- The Initiative working on a Perfect Dark Reboot (Source: A dev's linkedin profile where it was stated that he "designed and scripted various weapons, gadgets, and a camera surveillance system for an unannounced project" which make everyone think about Perfect Dark)

Well, this is all that I can remember, I know some people in this list are not the most reliable but if I remember correctly some of them are betting their names on their claims so I thought it was worth putting them here.

 

[cragarmi]

SIE patent for some new HDMI design

Yes that eager for ps5 news even this is news

What! PS5 will have HDMI? This really is a game changer! #Secretsauce

 

[cragarmi]

I've decided to make a list of the rumors that we still haven't heard any confirmation so far, also adding the original source (as far as I know) some of this things may come from those "pseudoinsiders" but I think there is a chance for some of the things to end up being true.

- The remastering engine for PS5 legacy titles (Source: HipHop Gamer)
- Sony acquiring Kojima Productions (Source: HipHop Gamer)
- Sony acquiring a second studio besides KJP, probably Housemarque or Bluepoint (Source: FoxyGames UK)
- PS5's GPU has some features that will end up appearing on future AMD GPUs (Source: RedGaming Tech AKA @Dan_of_Rivia)
- Sony will show a teaser trailer for the next God of War in their next event (Source: Moore's Law Is Dead)
- Mark Cerny is working on a revival of a PlayStation classic title (Source: Moore's Law Is Dead)
- Japan Studio is working on a new Silent Hill game (Source: Dusk Golem)
- The Initiative working on a Perfect Dark Reboot (Source: A dev's linkedin profile where it was stated that he "designed and scripted various weapons, gadgets, and a camera surveillance system for an unannounced project" which make everyone think about Perfect Dark)

Well, this is all that I can remember, I know some people in this list are not the most reliable but if I remember correctly some of them are betting their names on their claims so I thought it was worth putting them here.

No, No, No, Yes- but probably not worth mentioning, No, Yes, Yes, Yes- But cancelled/ rebooted into new IP. Your welcome!

 

[Snowdonhoffen]

No, No, No, Yes- but probably not worth mentioning, No, Yes, Yes, Yes- But cancelled/ rebooted into new IP. Your welcome!

 

[sircaw]

Man, I meant something very small like sawed off shotgun so you travel light:

And 99% won't even use it, but for extreme emergency if got attacked by wolves/hyenas/leopard, they tend to escape, not attack here.

Doom eat your heart out.

 

[PaintTinJr]

Xbox 360 did very well in the UK. Everyone I knew bought one, and only a couple bought a PS3 at launch. By mid-gen most people had both.

The PS4 vs Xbox One generation was different and heavily stacked towards PS4.

Microsoft threw away the groundwork laid by 360 by not really understanding the market, relying on their diagnostic data and assuming games consoles were shifting into TV/movie streaming devices and focussed on that.

In the UK the Xbox One being weaker was just the final nail in an already built coffin, and not the entire story. It was the (American) TV focus and the fact it seemed like as soon as Microsoft felt they had established themselves at the top they wanted to remove used game sales, as well as all the patents and talk about using the Kinect as a marketing device, and all for an extra cost.

I think the Kinect being such a financial success also sent the wrong message to Microsoft. It was a marketing success, not a gaming one. I bought one as did many I know, and we all thought it was shit once the novelty wore off.
It being bundled and driving up the price put me off. As do voice controls in general, I’d rather have buttons.

From my feeling Xbox One would have tanked compared to 360 even if it was on parity with PS4 as far as power went, and still suffered even at the same price.

This current gen has made Sony look good, so the 85/15 split doesn’t seem surprising.

I agree with most of this in regards to consumer perception, but from a business perspective(IMHO) Xbox had little choice to deliver anything different.

My reasoning being that at the start of project Kinect, Microsoft had finished blank-chequing xbox for 10 years at the point they stopped doing high-end exclusives for the 360. AKA 10years is a normal investment to success cycle in big corporations, and Kinect with Skype for business, and TV, TV, TV streaming was a necessary pivot for the Xbox console division to survive and remain in a project that could fund a new console - but not necessarily exclusives and studios like Xbox/360. By partnering with Kinect they hoped for great success for Xbox in itself and massive financial autonomy, like Playstation.

Now that 10 year kinect cycle is finished, I suspect Gamepass was the new financial pivot for Xbox(2017/2018?), and in 2027 if it isn't doing great, or Xbox isn't more than self sufficient, another pivot or division sell off or closure will occur.

 

[Rudius]

From Bedrooms to Billions: The PlayStation Revolution - Documentary Coming in September...

From bedrooms to bathtubs.

 

[cragarmi]

From bedrooms to bathtubs.

How many ducks?

 

[ZehDon]

Would mean Microsoft would go first with pricing because I can't imagine both waiting even longer.

What do you think is the absolute latest they could possibly wait for the price and pre-orders? I figure they can't really start the marketing bombardment until the prices are established. With 17 weeks until December, it has to be August, right?

 

[Rudius]

How many ducks?

Yes.