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Apple removes Fortnite from app store after Epic launches new payment system (Update: removed from Google Play store too)
- Thread starter jshackles
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jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Free Fortnite FAQ
Epic has taken legal action to end Apple and Google’s anti-competitive restrictions on mobile device marketplaces.
Aggressive Carrot
Member
By the looks of it, Epic knew what the outcome would be with their payment system. They moved pretty fast with those papers that were filed.
As of right now, you can still play Fortnite on iOS. What are the odds that people who already have the game installed can be blocked from playing on iOS?
As of right now, you can still play Fortnite on iOS. What are the odds that people who already have the game installed can be blocked from playing on iOS?
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Epic is playing chess here.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
From the above blog post:
Basically - no new installs, and when the game updates you'll not be able to play with the current client.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Wrong more like fuck appleLet’s go Apple
getting rid immature trashy multiplayer games one step at a time
Hello appstore alternatives
No more BS altstore crap.
Homebrew & emulators galore
Fbh
Member
I wonder if Epic can even do anything. Is there any legal argument they could use?.
I don't particularly like Apple, and the closed "we know best" nature of iOS is one of the reasons I prefer Android. But I imagine the terms are clear, and no one forced them to release on iOS.
The only thing I could imagine is them maybe arguing there's an unfair treatment compared to other types of businesses like Amazon, Uber, McDonalds, etc which as far as I know don't have to pay 30% for purchases made through their iOS app.
I don't particularly like Apple, and the closed "we know best" nature of iOS is one of the reasons I prefer Android. But I imagine the terms are clear, and no one forced them to release on iOS.
The only thing I could imagine is them maybe arguing there's an unfair treatment compared to other types of businesses like Amazon, Uber, McDonalds, etc which as far as I know don't have to pay 30% for purchases made through their iOS app.
Aggressive Carrot
Member
Epic moves fast. It's almost like they saw this coming from a mile away.
JLB
Banned
That "putrid company" is still the most valuable company in the world.
MrS
Banned
This is brilliantly done.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
These corporate slap fights are hilarious
Aggressive Carrot
Member
Damn. There's going to be a lot of pissed off people. I'm not a Fortnite person but I know there are people who have sunk a lot of money into this game.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Enjoy your appstore when there is fuck all to download on it because other stores offer the same app at 50% off
This shit is going to break apples walled garden so hard hahahaha
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Their legal argument for all of this is shaky at best. Their legal documents even kinda read like fan-fiction choice cuts such as
So it's basically just carefully worded propaganda. The crux of the whole thing revolves around "a series of anti-competitive restraints and monopolistic practices in markets" which are very well defined legal terms and will be difficult for Epic to get any of this to stick.
Instead, they're hoping that their customers will be the ones to help them change Apple's minds, not the courts.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Imagine defending Apple here. The hate boner for Fortnite and Epic is so strong in some that people are blind to the fact that this fight is bloody brilliant.
Patrick S.
Banned
Ok I love Tim Sweeney now.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
I don't think this is their end game
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
Epic got a hustler's spirit. Caught Apple with they draws down.
Dr Bass
Member
Why do you even need an app store to install on a computer?
And by your sentiment, why not 40% for Apple? 50%?
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Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
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Dr Bass
Member
Yeah that pretty much says it all right there.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
It's not even about allowing it on their app store, it's the fact that their app store is the ONLY method for loading software on your device.
On Android, Epic Games already has their own "app store alternative" where Epic gets 100% of the profit. Because Android is open and that kind of stuff is allowed.
Lupin3
Targeting terrorists with a D-Pad
Everything according to keikaku, of course.
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
I don't understand your point? The "app store" you install fortnite on your computer is the Epic store, they own it. Xbox PlayStation Nintendo, Google and Apple all get cuts of sales on there platform.
Now the why not 40 or 50% I guess its because the industry standard is 30%. Epic wants to push that lower, doesnt mean every one else does.
Chupanibre
Member
Every kid at my school is going to have Android phones this year.
blakdecaf
Member
Not enough to care, I’d imagine no.
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
Epic made fortnite side loadable for a time to side steep google rules
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Exactly. And the fact that this was possible on Android is what finally led them to being able to play nice on the Play Store.
No such alternative exists for iOS devices.
McCheese
Member
Holy shit, I've never seen a big company go completely for the throat of another big company before. Lawyers are going to make a fortune out of this cat fight.
Apple have always been dicks with their app store policy, so I'm rooting for Epic , and hope it results in a more open Google-style store policy where you can sideload apps, and apps can incorporate their own payment features if they want to.
The gamepass app situation last week really helped Epics case here too, I can see a bunch of companies joining forces for a common cause. Apple having the last word hasn't been doing a good job of protecting users, and in many cases resulted in anti-consumer behaviour. Glad someone with money is challenging it.
Apple have always been dicks with their app store policy, so I'm rooting for Epic , and hope it results in a more open Google-style store policy where you can sideload apps, and apps can incorporate their own payment features if they want to.
The gamepass app situation last week really helped Epics case here too, I can see a bunch of companies joining forces for a common cause. Apple having the last word hasn't been doing a good job of protecting users, and in many cases resulted in anti-consumer behaviour. Glad someone with money is challenging it.
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Calverz
Member
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Kdad
Member
EPIC agreed to Apple/Google's terms....and now is breaking them. So no, EPIC is wrong.
As for the bigger argument you are making...EPIC never needed to go on Google Play, Android can sideload and that is 80% of the phones in the world have a way for EPIC to not pay Google a dime. As for the 20% of world wide phones that are iOS...if you want access to Apple's customers (who all agreed to be in a walled garden)...there is a cost to that access in both cash and in how your software conducts business.
Epic is 40% owned by Tencent...the 8th largest company in the world and just as predatory as the rest of them.
ThatGamingDude
I am a virgin
I mean...
They...don't really have the greatest track record with consumer or competitive relations
They've been getting whacked over the head the past couple of years
Google "Apple right to repair," and "Apple anti-competition,"; they're in hot water with a LOT of shit right now >.>
Fined $1.2 billion in France and shit <.<
Investment money probably had a lot to do with wording on that
This I totally believe, but I think rather than the customers changing Apple's minds, I think they're leaning on the current shit going on with Apple in a global sense and going to apply pressure to the courts that way
IIUC current related law suits can be admissable in courts under certain circumstances, but I'm by far not an actual laywer lol, so don't quote me on that
chaseroni
Member
On the contrary, altstore does exist. But is a little involved with setting up.