Ar¢tos
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Buy Sony allows payments outside of psn (like final fantasy 14 subscriptions), it's not as rigid as apple.
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Apple removes Fortnite from app store after Epic launches new payment system (Update: removed from Google Play store too)
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Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
you can jail break your phone if u want.
Guilty_AI
Member
Technically you can do this with any app even on the apple store. From what i know whats forbiden is advertising it directly on the app got through their store, same with other online stores.
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DunDunDunpachi
Banned
These platform wars will make digital ownership a shaky proposition over the next 10 years. There ain't gonna be any "all in one" utopia, that's for sure. These content holders are vicious and will not give up that lucrative income stream.
Couldn't have happened to a more honest group of companies, I tell ya.
Couldn't have happened to a more honest group of companies, I tell ya.
Coloress_Kafka
Member
I’m surprised Apple didn’t flat out ban Epic Games developer account for malicious intent. Its insane that Epic would do this, I guess they feel emboldened because they got Sony to roll over on crossplay but Apple is not the bitch to fuck with.......
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
I'd absolutely love for the outcome of all of this be that billions of iOS devices get jail broken.
Epic should release some instructional videos.
ThatGamingDude
I am a virgin
Thinking of it from the angle they're putting it in from ("Apple doing bad shit errwrre, need to crack down on them!") tends to make me think of it not in terms of right or wrong...
But maybe their idea is to start that "Bully getting their day," scenario...beccaaauuuseee...
This! If this is something they can push through, they stand to make a phat amount of cash out of it, AND it would set precedence to allow it to happen on the Android App Store as well. Recently, with punting off Microsoft and stuff, I'm not sure how many companies are going to back Apple on this one
Now, at the end of the day, Apple totally could rip off all of Epic's shit off their store at the end of all of this
However....with the current narrative of them being shitty to other companies and their consumers...would they be able to float that??
Epic still has 3 games on the App Store in general for Apple....should be interesting to see indeed
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Nope apple store is so much better.
I liked my note9 and all but fuck the play store
Ar¢tos
Member
Last time I played FF14 (a few years ago, might have changed now), the game forward me to their site directly. It minimized the game and opened the PlayStation browser on the payment page.
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
I don’t if I wanted to worry about bad faith apps and shit I’d use Android, I like Apple because of that layer of protection.
also I don’t game on my phone for no loss
Hoho for breakfast
Member
You can look at my avatar and see whose side I'm on but really I hope Epic can make Apple change their shitty practice. 30% is absurd.
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Guilty_AI
Member
Even when they send you to the site the fee could still be being charged. Elite dangerous on steam also forwards me to a browser but the page contains a "steam" argument written. However, it could also be possible they simply aren't enforcing the guidelines (happens on steam too).
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Ar¢tos
Member
They might have a percentage deal outside of psn. If they only get a cut from expansion sales it probably isn't enough to justify the bandwidth.
Noone is saying Apple shouldn't make money. It's the exorbitant 30% fee that's the issue. Most people just want these fees to be reasonable.
Compsiox
Banned
30% up until a certain amount of sales but this isn't just about the cut. Apple tries to control way too much on their platform.
Dr Bass
Member
Why is it the "industry standard"? And when did that start? Think about those two things.
The point I was trying to make is that the iPhone and Android phones are basically computers. They run general purpose operating systems and are nearly as powerful as laptops. This is absolutely the case for iOS where we are about to have the same chips powering iPhones, iPads and Macs, and very nearly the same operating system code.
Computers should be open and allow you to install whatever you want. MacOS does this. Windows does this. Linux does this. Just because you put one computer in your pocket and another in your carry bag or on your desk, shouldn't dictate where your software comes from.
So just like I said above. Apple can have their store. The 30% would be fine, IF there was an open alternative that allowed you to install whatever you wanted from elsewhere. That is the point. Epic has no choice but to engage in payola if they want to provide certain services to the users. There is no option.
We are dealing with an oligopoly in the handheld computer market that has placed unnecessary restrictions that result in rent-seeking on behalf of two of the largest corporations on the planet.
Microsoft should bring back Windows on the phone and just say hey all, no App Store requirements. Install from wherever you want.
Hoho for breakfast
Member
Like someone said it's the 30% that is the issue. 10-15%? Ok that's at least reaosnable. Nearly ONE THIRD though? That's crazy. And if Epic wins here and can get Apple to reduce that amount, that benefits both devs and consumers. How you could side with Apple on this, even if you hate Epic, is beyond me.
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i think a lot of people here are forgetting that this is just business.
1. apple can impose any cut on their platform because it is their platform. you are using their app as a means to reach so many people with the likelihood or getting as much sales as possible in contrast to you just selling it by yourself.
2. egs has the means and the rights to have their own platform for business profitability.
1. apple can impose any cut on their platform because it is their platform. you are using their app as a means to reach so many people with the likelihood or getting as much sales as possible in contrast to you just selling it by yourself.
2. egs has the means and the rights to have their own platform for business profitability.
Patterson
Member
That’s what I thought. So I wonder what is it exactly that’s creating this tension? I have no love for either company so genuinely curious.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
THIS ladies and gentleman is what anti-consumer looks like.
michaelius
Banned
Just how gullible you have to be to belive Epic is doing this for consumer good ?
Go to EGS and tell me how many of games there are passing savings to customer....
Guilty_AI
Member
We wouldn't know the details without talking to involved parties. However keep in mind that sony has far more leeway to enforce their guidelines than any pc platform (seeing that, unlike on pc where devs can simply change stores or make their own launcher, sony can just kick the devs out of their device entirely, which happens to be a large share of the market)
As long as they give me free stuff and fight to lower fees I have zero reason to complain.
Even their successful Fortnite business model is fighting all p2w shitty mechanics we have seen before.
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Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
best I can tell Xbox Sony and google take 30% as well
Never had an issue with epic when everyone hated on them. My biggest issue are f2p games that take advantage of people but that’s all of them.
I don’t go to the movies and yell at them about the price of a ticket. epic went to Apple Sony google and MS knowing there was a fee to do business. And that business made both party tons of money. Epic just think they are big enough to change the deal.
Here's the thing --> Myself, my family, and tons of friends have played Fortnite for a very long time. And what I wrote it true. Every disadvantaged kid, and every person who just refuses to spend money for something free, has the exact same chance of winning as those who bought 30 skins. So yeah, they make serious bank. But yeah, they are still giving away their game for free if you choose not to pay. You can say anything negative you want, but this will still be true. And that is an A+++++++ business practice from the consumer standpoint.
As for fighting to lower costs, that is also objectively true. If you want to argue that they could lower costs and still pay Apple a fee, I'll give you that. But they are still fighting for a lower cost, and I would bet that Apple just wants their standard fee no questions asked.
theHFIC
Member
Enjoy your appstore when there is fuck all to download on it because other stores offer the same app at 50% off
This shit is going to break apples walled garden so hard hahahaha
Apple will change the cut they take to a more dynamic structure and apply the same policies for virtual goods that they do for physical but they won’t open up the hardware to 3rd party stores. The security ramifications alone make it a non-starter.
The xCloud and Stadia (
) policies are just dumb with their claim of not being able to rate each game and hopefully that will be an about face.
belteshazzar
Member
I would be more inclined to support Epic in this battle, but all of Tim's actions have clearly shown that this is not about leveling the field and "fair business practices", but rather wrestle the control out of these companies so that he can get it for himself. It is all so insincere. This is one of the reasons I hate Apple so much as well. They have overpriced subpar products and want to control everything to keep all prices rocket high, when their products don't justify it. You buy yourself into a prison you can't escape. For all I care, let them both companies burn each other to the ground, though I think Epic doesn't stand a chance. Apple is a juggernaut.
BootsLoader
Banned
How about Spotify? Why there’s no problem with Spotify?
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
That seems pretty definite, who's gonna rule against Apple (and will Apple pull the spin that they're all American while Epic is heavily Chinese owned, I guess it depends on the timing of the trials if it gets there and the climate then)? Plus they're in the right. Epic enabled direct payments in Fortnite on the app store circumventing the 30% fee Apple gets and clearly did so deliberately, against the rules they knew are in place, just to set all this in motion (pretending they're fighting for no fee for everybody when they'd obviously happily accept being the exception to the rule, which Apple didn't fall for granting as more companies would then ask the same). Idk. Maybe they have a case on Apple cos Apple doesn't allow installing apps outside the store, it's the only way, unlike Android where sure, you pay fees in the play store, but you can also just release the game on your site or wherever, even make your own store, and pay no fees (and they still wanted special treatment to actually be on the play store and pay no fees). So it's gonna be a monopoly case deal but then Apple has a case in that they don't have a monopoly in say, phones, tablets, etc, just a decent chunk of the market. And even if Epic wins the solution could be that Apple also allows installing apps outside the store, rather than force them to have no fees on the App Store. Epic wouldn't be happy with that, just as they wanted other things on Android (and it will probably take ages for most consumers to start installing stuff from other sources but hey, power users - do any of these actually buy Apple stuff instead of other more open devices, idk - would get a win, even if thanks to timmy even if that wasn't his goal, heh).
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Dr Bass
Member
You are completely off base here, still. Go read some thoughts from software engineers, people in the industry on this whole issue with iOS and Android. It has nothing to do with a fee. It has to do with zero computing freedom on the most ubiquitous computing platforms in the world.
The Scrivener
Member
One thing I didn't expect to see today is Fortnite doing 4D chess with globalists inspired by 1984.
Hoho for breakfast
Member
And hopefully they are. Hopefully more devs join in and can help make a change. If Sony and MS also take 30% then they're also garbage along with Apple for doing that. Epic I'm sure is garbage for many reasons as well (they steal dances and don't pay or even acknowledge the creators for one). The bottom line though to me is what will benefit the devs and the consumers.
Never underestimate the power of the Fortnite. Sony underestimated it, and now we have PS4 cross play thanks to the power of the Fortnite.
But yeah, you're probably right.
HOLD UP - EDIT TIME - What about Craig and the Fortnite together? MS is also fighting apple over the gamepass or xcloud. Does Apple really stand a chance against the Fortnite and the Craig?
Double Edit time - I ignored Amazon before. Now we have a 3 on 1. Apple vs. Craig, the Fortnite, and the Kindle. That sounds like an unstoppable force banging down the gates if I ever heard of one before.
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Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Works just fine on androidApple will change the cut they take to a more dynamic structure and apply the same policies for virtual goods that they do for physical but they won’t open up the hardware to 3rd party stores. The security ramifications alone make it a non-starter.
The xCloud and Stadia (
Apple’s time is over g t f o with that anti consumer sheit
WelshBluebird
Member
So what I dont get is why buying something in a game has to go through Apple and get the 30% tax but buying something on the Amazon app doesn't. Totally bull rules from Apple as usual.
Digital vs physical purchases. You can’t buy Kindle books on the Amazon iPhone app because of this policy.
Hoho for breakfast
Member
I thought Amazon did not have to pay the 30%.
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Why Amazon got out of the Apple App Store tax, and why other developers won’t
It’s leverage. The reason is leverage.
www.theverge.com
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Apple allows subs outside of their apps too.
They also allow purchased content from outside their apps.
It's really not much different than Sony/MS... Microsoft for instance are hypocrites for whining about Apple and xCloud.
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