Digital Foundry's John Linneman: Talked to multiple developers who have confirmed it's difficult to scale games to Xbox/PS4 base hardware.
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Digital Foundry: Developers Having Difficult Time Scaling games back to PS4/Xbox One specs
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Digital Foundry's John Linneman: Talked to multiple developers who have confirmed it's difficult to scale games to Xbox/PS4 base hardware.
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If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Can you return digital games yet?
MrFunSocks
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Also why has no one mentioned the fanboy sensationalised thread title? The tweets mention that the PS4 and XB1 are holding back cross gen games, not just XB1.
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MasterCornholio
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No but the only one that I play every once in a while is Fortnite and I don't need a subscription for that.
What was your point that both can be anti-consumer at times?
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MrFunSocks
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Ask them
Smoke6
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Well if that’s true, then why is the game in the shapes it’s in since 343 has experience on these current consoles?
wouldn’t it be just like the gears situation at this point to where it gets a patch? 5 yrs for a current gen game is way too much time
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
I am confident that the Xbox Series S isn’t happening. It is a good idea on concept, but the reality is that maintaining so many targets, X1S, X1X, XSX, and XSS is going to be a nightmare for developers.
I bet Microsoft pitched the idea to publishers, but not many committed on making games for it.
It works for PC because the PC doesn’t have a certification partner that will reject your game if it doesn’t meet performance standards. The PC version Q&A is an afterthought for many publishers. Having to maintain 4 consoles when releasing on Xbox and working on certifying your game with Microsoft across all four consoles could be a potential nightmare.
I bet Microsoft pitched the idea to publishers, but not many committed on making games for it.
It works for PC because the PC doesn’t have a certification partner that will reject your game if it doesn’t meet performance standards. The PC version Q&A is an afterthought for many publishers. Having to maintain 4 consoles when releasing on Xbox and working on certifying your game with Microsoft across all four consoles could be a potential nightmare.
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MrFunSocks
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Ask them what? Developers are making Series X and PS5 exclusives lol.
You obviously don’t realise that the tweet is about PS4 holding back PS5 games as well lol.
How concerning.
Infinite is an XB1 game, and they seem to have bitten off more than they can chew by attempting to make a 60fps open world halo on the XB1. Graphically it just can’t compete with even their previous title with the scale they are going for by the looks of it.
Didn’t TLOU2 take 5 years though? RDR2 as well? 5 years is fine for a game as long as it turns out good, and it seems they’ve had big troubles in those 5 years. I honestly don’t think the Series X has anything to do with the problems with infinite’s graphics. They already announced that it would be getting a series X patch like gears 5.
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KingdomHeartsFan
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The reply "You can easily scale them." This is the first time I've heard someone use that argument since the Halo Infinite reveal XD.
xStoyax
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One of these believes in Generations
too much eslim
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The title needs to be changed. The thread creator purposely left out that it is both xbox/ps4 being a problem to create console warring. This is the type of stuff what makes people mad with Fanboys. Stop this nonsense. If a developer chooses to make a game cross gen that is on them. Neither MS or Sony are forcing them.
thismeinteil
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The PS3 had the strength of the PS brand, as well as great exclusives, to help keep it afloat. It also helped that the 360 struggled out of the gate, as well, with RROD and coming off the weak sales performance of the OG Xbox.
The Xbox brand, in terms of selling HW, isn't that strong. This gen lost them 30M+ users. And now that they are moving towards streaming and have all their titles on PC, it's even weaker in that aspect. They also have another strong PS console to compete against.
I think we're at the point where a lot of gamers are tired of waiting for that supposed Xbox greatness its fans keep saying is right around the corner.
yurinka
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Well, for sure having to release a game for XBO, XBO S, XBO X, Series S, Series X and PC must be a pain in the ass. Even without considering possible technical issues from unfinished next gen SDKs, engines, firmwares, drivers, tools and using prototype devkits without final specs and so on, to release a game for a lot of SKUs it's a lot of work.
Make sure that the MS Studios who have to release crossgen games during the first years of Series X won't be happy. And even less the 3rd party devs who will release cross gen multis.
Make sure that the MS Studios who have to release crossgen games during the first years of Series X won't be happy. And even less the 3rd party devs who will release cross gen multis.
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MiyazakiHatesKojima
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YIKES!
bitbydeath
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Clearly something is going on behind the scenes. A lot of people point to 343 and Halo as a problem but all of Microsofts studios weren’t prepared for this gen. Not even Forza was ready which to me is a giant red flag.
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what are you on about? Why do you edit your posts afterwards? Just put in xbox/PS4?
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What the hell is that thread title OP? The info linked mentions both Xbox AND PS4. Why is that not in the thread title?
I wonder.
Not to mention, it seems from what you posted, that developers 'don't like' doing that work, not that they can't or are having 'difficulty' on one console more than the other.
For those people who like to throw the term around, the OP is actually 100% rolled-gold FUD. Now you know what it really looks like.
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Chromata
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Said it before and I'll say it again, MS marketing is mind-boggling. If Halo Infinite is a cross gen F2P title then market it as the most accessible Halo.
Marketing a cross gen title as the definitive reason to buy XSX and hyping it up as mind blowing for your conference is just...I don't even know how any group of professionals can conceptualize that as a good idea. Did nobody look at the gameplay demo before it released? I know it's a ridiculous question to ask but I just can't wrap my head around how you can talk this footage up so hard while knowing what it looks like. You're just asking for blowback.
Marketing a cross gen title as the definitive reason to buy XSX and hyping it up as mind blowing for your conference is just...I don't even know how any group of professionals can conceptualize that as a good idea. Did nobody look at the gameplay demo before it released? I know it's a ridiculous question to ask but I just can't wrap my head around how you can talk this footage up so hard while knowing what it looks like. You're just asking for blowback.
Evangelion Unit-01
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Certainly a difficult task. I believe that this cross-gen approach is smart for some games but not all. Clearly some will be able to handle easier than others. Certainly not a one size fits all approach.
I was always perplexed by the "there will not be any One X or PS4 Pro games" statements. One would imagine that it would be easier to implement this ease into generation strategy that devs are going for by making One X/Series X and Pro/PS5 versions of some games rather than trying to hit all 3 hardware iterations.
I was always perplexed by the "there will not be any One X or PS4 Pro games" statements. One would imagine that it would be easier to implement this ease into generation strategy that devs are going for by making One X/Series X and Pro/PS5 versions of some games rather than trying to hit all 3 hardware iterations.
aries_71
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Problem is that, most probably, the marketing people that designed and approved these messages is not even gamer. They probably saw the Halo Infinity footage and thought it was hot shit. They have no other references.
Explosive Zombie
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People keep talking like developers have free reign to do what they want without knowing who spoke to DF about this. If a Publisher mandates a developer makes a game cross-gen then they don't have a choice do they? And what about games that have been in development long enough they've always been advertised as coming to current gen such as Cyberpunk 2077?
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I see your point, but nobody is scaling from PS5 to PS4 based hardware remember
Even if it said current gen it would mean Xbox One
You can Sony too™ it but it's still referring to Xbox One
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Well it's a good thing that they are making a break from this generation & moving on to the next generation isn't it?
genesisblock
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Supporting "last-gen" isn't anti-consumer per say but it is more accurate to say it's "anti-progressive". The demands of building a game for the next-gen is multiplied several times over as observed from the transition from the PS3 to this gen. The intention of MS to support current Xbox owners is admirable but the rules are different when you are transitioning to the next-gen.
Originally, the concept of having a mid-range upgrade X1X/PS4PRO is to inform users who are unsatisfied with the performance of that gen to get a nice upgrade but treating your next-gen flagship console in the same way is an incredibly risky tactic that is clearly backfiring.
It is utterly strange they will be banking on next-gen like it's the XB1X2 and this is where SONY's "believe in generations" is slowly becoming the ideal reality that gamers have to face if they want to see new types of experiences and not just a simple bump in upgrades.
Chromata
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But we know Phil Spencer has been involved with the development of many Xbox projects in the past. He must have at least seen what Gears 5 looks like on X1X, which is significantly more impressive than Halo Infinite.
MrFunSocks
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It is, yes, and the only cross generation first party game is Halo Infinite. Every single third party dev can choose to make exclusive to next gen games, despite what lies you’re trying to peddle.
What lies? Microsoft is the one that tried to push the message of a scalable generation .
makaveli60
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They were doing so good between 2001 and 2010. Why do they suck so much since then? Rhetorical question of course. It's a shame because I'm not a fanboy of either company, I'll gladly buy both consoles if they are worthy of it, just like I did before. But at the moment it seems Sony will obliterate MS again. And this is not the most optimal thing for us consumers because we need them to have a competition. Gamepass is an amazing thing from a consumer standpoint in the short run but in the long run I'm afraid it will really hurt the industry. You don't have to be a genius to see that.
BlueXImpulse
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You don’t need John to tell you that
DavidGzz
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Who bought the Xbox One X and the PS4 Pro? The same enthusiasts that will buy the new consoles. MS is more focused on keeping Game Pass subs. For anyone that just wants the better graphics they have a XSS. You act as if PS5 has a bunch of reasons to upgrade. There will still be plenty of big games within the first two years that are next gen only like RE8. After the first year and a half to two years they will be coming non-stop and this cross gen shit will be nothing but a memory.
Hold back next gen for a while or hold back 100 million customers from playing a new Spiderman. Either way, there is a lot of holding back going on.
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MrFunSocks
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No they didn’t. They said that all their first party games for the next 2 years will be cross generation.
Where is the lie?
MrFunSocks
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MastaKiiLA
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Thread title should probably say from next-gen to current-gen. Seems he referenced both X1, and PS4. I'm just saying, in fairness.
There is nothing in the OP that suggests that scalability isn't possible, just that it's hard on both systems and that some developers don't like the extra work involved.
longdi
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Actually this is not a new problem.
Transitional phase between old and new, while the publishers want to maximise sales volume.
Just make games on old consoles and scale up.
A publisher can also just direct their developers to make next gen only games, problem solved.
DF just scraping the barrel.
Transitional phase between old and new, while the publishers want to maximise sales volume.
Just make games on old consoles and scale up.
A publisher can also just direct their developers to make next gen only games, problem solved.
DF just scraping the barrel.
MrFunSocks
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SonyToo!!! SonyToo!!! Omg M$ shill!!
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The gaming side of GAF is really showing its true colours since the Xbox event.
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Explosive Zombie
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He doesn't say which platform the devs were on, he just says to leave both those behind because they're both the same type of CPU. Like if I made a tweet talking about how partisan the Democrats were acting then said "it's time to leave behind the two party system" and you went A-HA, he has a problem with how Republicans are currently behaving, too!
Either way, the PR around Series X has been that the games will be cross-gen, that being cross-gen won't hold them back. The PR for PS5 has been about believing in generations and not being interested in making games work for PS4. It's beyond clear why people are assuming this is more about one platform than the other.
BigLee74
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What is this shit?
Tweet claims both Xbox One and PS4 are hard to scale down to as no one wants to work with the old CPUs, with the added bonus comedy that the source for this being the reason why there will be no Lockhart being over a year old!
Cue Internet Sony men-children lining up to pile into MS and Xbox again. Youre an embarrassing lot really, and I'm now only in this to see you all eat crow when the real games get released.
Tweet claims both Xbox One and PS4 are hard to scale down to as no one wants to work with the old CPUs, with the added bonus comedy that the source for this being the reason why there will be no Lockhart being over a year old!
Cue Internet Sony men-children lining up to pile into MS and Xbox again. Youre an embarrassing lot really, and I'm now only in this to see you all eat crow when the real games get released.
Of course it's possible we see it everyday with PC , Smartphones & Tablets.
MrFunSocks
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It’s different because he’s talking about first party only games that are already in development for the XB1, not that the entire generation is “scalable” or that every single game will be “scalable”.
I can only hope that you’re intentionally being this dumb and ignorant, because if not, oh boy lol.
The hell? I said if the console maker isn't making exclusives for the console in the 1st few years why would 3rd party publishers jump out the window & make exclusives for the console?
MrFunSocks
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The point is that this thread was made to shit on Xbox and completely left out the part where what the tweet says is about the PS4 as well. Pointing out to people that are shitting on the Xbox and drawing conclusions about the series X that hey, the tweet is about the PS4 doing the same thing to the Ps5 isn’t “SonyToo”. It’s literally telling the people going off half cocked that the OP intentionally mislead them to fuel the fanboy wars.
existensmaximum
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Noooo this is simply impossible! I heard that "PC does it all the time"! I am shocked! 
turtlepowa
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I guess now we like DF again.