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Gamepass Effect? Xbox One sold just 17k in July NPD
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sainraja
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By leaving the option for people to get a PS4/Pro, they are essentially letting people invest money in the other platform. PS5 will be backwards compatible with the PS4, people seem to forget this. Given the state of things nowadays, specially if you've got content for one ecosystem, switching is a decision (if they end up buying games for the PS4, they're likely to continue with the PS5.)
You say that as if people don't have the option to go elsewhere. If Microsoft removes any option for people to go with Xbox right now, specially people that are looking to get a console right now, they are essentially sending those people over to the PS4/Switch.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
You probably need to rest, Since the PS3 reveal Sony has been pretty honest with their showings... I assume you were talking about the Uncharted 4 60fps reveal, it doesn't look different compared to what we have in this game's cut scenes, only at half the frame rate (I'll grand you 60fps would have been great, but this is another issue). Sure people prototype on PC all the time, this was true over 20 years ago too, there is a big difference between prototyping on PC and showing off your new console running PC code--AS A PLATFORM OWNER.
For the rest, the point stands, we have one company that has shown many games running on their new console, which is normal at this point in time. I don't get why you cling to dev kits, being in the hands on third party devs, I hope they are at this point everybody should have them and operation should be pretty smooth. Then if creating a demo and showing off their new machine is so easy and everything is going well, then why are MS hiding their new product a couple of weeks from release? If they can't they could let some third party show off their work, so people can register--oh this is why I want this new gadget under my TV.
Thinking something is wrong at xbox at this point in time is the rational stance to take, not grand standing in the forums acting as if you knew something we don't already.
Kdad
Member
Please...where are the dirt cheap. I'd consider dirt cheap to be $150usd/$200USD w/2 first party games and 3mos PSN
Thicc Enigma
Member
That's what you get when you're pro consumer, you get left behind. 
Gamernyc78
Banned
Omg I forgot all about Stadia Damn hvnt heard nothing of it for awhile.
Thicc Enigma
Member
Not the same fight. Don't bring in the irrelevant guys in when the "pro consumer" guys are at the bottom.
GAMETA
Banned
XBONE, time to bury
eastwood333
Banned
Gamepass would have a big negative impact on game sells, not console sells. Gamepass would help console sells.
yurinka
Member
Some people don't buy the MS console because they can play the MS games on PC.
Now it make less sense to buy the MS console or even to buy the MS games, because there's Gamepass on PC.
And well, I think it was before knowing most of the MS 1st party lineup for the next 3+ years. In any case, I think one of the likely reasons may be that their competition had 2 recent huge exclusive releases (TLOU2 and GOT) while XBO not sure if had some recent exclusive, maybe some small indie time limited console exclusive.
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MrFunSocks
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Lol "You probably need to rest". Quit the condescending bullshit.
Sony has been pretty honest with their showings? I literally just pointed out one where they outright lied. Naughty Dog even said that that demo has effects and LOD that aren't possible in real time in their engine, not to mention they rendered it out a probably less than 1 frame per second (as they mention render farm style) and then played it at 60fps. Sony flat out lied and you're trying to defend it lol.
Also lol at "PC code" for Infinite lol. You've really got no idea.
Sony SAY that those games were running on their new console, but history and common sense says they weren't. There was no gameplay. There was nothing real time.
It's amazing that you're saying MS are hiding their new product lol. Hiding it from who? Where? Devs have it. It's already being manufactured for release. You're literally trying to spread the FUD that the console is having problems and needs to be delayed lol. You're 100% fanboying here, making up FUD and bullshit.
Thinking something is wrong at xbox is the rational stance to take? Seriously? Lol Rational *based on what*? The fact that you think the console is vaporware and made up?
Jesus christ.
Golgo 13
The Man With The Golden Dong
Reading comprehension fail. Go to your corner and take a time-out.
ik3
Neo Member
You didn’t comment on anything I said, you’ve just made a lazy ad hominem attack.
Okay buddy.
A German Xbox site reported it, it was picked up and has not been refuted.
Rumor Mill: Halo Infinite Costs More Than $500 Million To Develop
The most expensive game (so far).
Eeesh. So an indefinitely postponed Halo, Forza - and, another Forza, an unannounced Gears 6, “and so on”.
The world can’t fucking wait for “and so on”.
You don’t seem to understand words. I didn’t say they would make one look worse, I said they wouldn’t put significant resources into making the one that will sell millions less look so much better than the other, that it makes the other look bad by comparison, but I’ve used some long words here and I’m not sure how this will be received.
Megatron
Member
Xbox One is sold out except for overpriced bundles at Amazon:
Amazon.com : xbox one
www.amazon.com
But it's available at other large retailers
Xbox One S 1TB Console
Read reviews and buy Xbox One S 1TB Console at Target. Choose from contactless Same Day Delivery, Drive Up and more.www.target.com
Microsoft Xbox One S 500GB Console, White, ZQ9-00001 - Walmart.com
Buy Microsoft Xbox One S 500GB Console, White, ZQ9-00001 at Walmart.comwww.walmart.com
Sort of makes sense since MS is getting ready for One S v2:
Xbox One S V2 console listed by retailer
Microsoft may be gearing up for the release of their next-gen Xbox Series X – alongside the Series S when they have the guts to reveal it – but a new retail listing for an Xbox One S V2 console. Spotted by Twitter user Private Biscuit, the Xbox One S V2 was seen as a […]mspoweruser.com
Still, that number is surprisingly low. It's down 84% YoY.
It’s actually sold out at the sites you linked too. The Walmart link is for $399.99. That’s a third party.
MrFunSocks
Banned
Ooh a german site posted a rumour. So now if someone posts a rumour and MS don't come out and refute it it's true? lolYou didn’t comment on anything I said, you’ve just made a lazy ad hominem attack.
Okay buddy.
A German Xbox site reported it, it was picked up and has not been refuted.
Rumor Mill: Halo Infinite Costs More Than $500 Million To Develop
The most expensive game (so far).sea.ign.com
Eeesh. So an indefinitely postponed Halo, Forza - and, another Forza, an unannounced Gears 6, “and so on”.
The world can’t fucking wait for “and so on”.
You don’t seem to understand words. I didn’t say they would make one look worse, I said they wouldn’t put significant resources into making the one that will sell millions less look so much better than the other, that it makes the other look bad by comparison, but I’ve used some long words here and I’m not sure how this will be received.
Yes I'm sure MS's like 12 studios are only working on Halo and Forza and an unannounced Forza. You got me kiddo!
I understand words. I gave you an example, RDR2. They don't need to put significant resources into making it look so much better, it just does because it's running on better hardware. And lets be clear - RDR2 at 4K30fps looks *much* better than it does on the PS4 Pro.
I know you're being sarcastic, but I doubt the Xbox One has even done half of 17k lifetime in Japan haha.
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Megatron
Member
Assassin's Creed Odyssey director 'surprised' at Alexios/Kassandra usage split
‘Right now it’s two-thirds Alexios and one-third Kassandra’ We’re far removed from the whole “Assassin’s Creed is bad” mantra. Origins rocked it...www.destructoid.com
The Dumbass director was surprised more people wanted to play as Alexios than Kassandra lol.
You can’t buy an XBox one for regular price anywhere, and it’s been like that for most of the pandemic. Hard to have good numbers when they literally aren’t available.
Self High Five
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There's nothing to disagree about. Xbox is (relatively speaking) dead in the water right now compared to PS4 and Switch. Hell, the Switch is murdering both Sony and MS. This isn't opinion. It's fact, and your argument is wrong on many levels.
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Shmunter
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Let me ask what you think, how does a free to play Halo fit the vision of gamepass? If the game is great, people can play it without signing up for gamepass, or even buying the game. Doesn’t this feel disjoint?
How about selling gamepass without the aid of the walled garden of a console? Sony won’t sell it, PC users have many more established gaming channels. Only on an Xbox console can you maximise your chances of selling the service, yet hardware sales are irrelevant?
I appreciate streaming and all you can eat is likely the future. But the tech, and the competition simply don’t leave much room for success here. It all feels all over the place and similar to another misguided gamble potentially more devastating than TV, TV, TV.
Imagine what could have been if MS stayed the course from the early 360 years. They would be the Sony of 2020.
Something stinks, and it’s not Craig’s armpit.
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DaGwaphics
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Looking at the Target links again, I'm definitely leaning towards a new 1S sku. Around my location, the current unit is not only out of stock but delisted (marked as not sold in store).
I wonder if it will just be the existing console with the new controller or if this is a complete revision?
I wonder if it will just be the existing console with the new controller or if this is a complete revision?
Megatron
Member
Nope:
And it's in stock.
Lol. That's in store, not on their web site. I definitely wasn't saying you couldn't find a store anywhere in the country where you could find one, just saying you can't buy one off the web site and have it shipped to your house. But hey, if you want to drive 140 miles to pick up an Xbox One S, you do you
And for the Walmart link, I don't think paying to a third party would even be reflected in NPD numbers, would it?
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CouchMaster
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According to that site both Switch and PS4 have been out of stock except one or two retailers. Xbox isn't a unique snowflake in this case.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
whats your source op?
GenericUser
Member
Missed opportunity here for Microsoft. I know people the specifically buy consoles late in their lifecycle. The reasons are obvious: You get the console for a faily cheap price and have a huge selection of high quality games, most of them for a really low price as well
sendit
Member
True. However, they also made a business decision by discontinuing the Xbox One and the Xbox One X. Which is why their is zero supply other than sellers price gouging the market. It's just weird to me. Microsoft's Xbox division puts all this effort in to marketing backwards compatibility, but discontinues a whole segment. Their whole messaging while slightly better than the launch of the Xbox One, is still sub par in comparison to the competition.
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DaGwaphics
Member
Well, let's not kid ourselves that Walmart, Amazon, and Gamestop are just your average retailers for videogame consoles. LOL
Shmunter
Member
They have a product for those people, it’s called a PS4
Shmunter
Member
This is true for all the consoles where I’m from. You can offload a secondhand PS4 within an hour of putting up an ad.
Shmunter
Member
Xbox one S hasn’t been discontinued. X yes, but the Xbox One VCR surely has not been in manufacture for years now.
sendit
Member
I stand corrected:
Gearing up for the Xbox Series X, Microsoft has stopped making the Xbox One X | CNN Business
Microsoft is officially discontinuing the Xbox One X and Xbox One S All-Digital Edition.
www.cnn.com
Its the Xbox One X and the Xbox One S (Digital)
DarkMage619
$MSFT
This is an EXCELLENT question. The thread title says NPD but there is no link to a news reports detailing the numbers at all. I wonder if someone just posts a negative story about Xbox does it have to be corroborated at all. I might have missed it so please forgive me if the actual report was posted.
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Megatron
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Absolutely, I’m just saying, that it’s a supply issue, but people seem to have decided without any I formation that it’s a demand issue.
Which is why I mentioned the websites. Maybe you can’t find them locally, but they are on Best Buy, Walmart and Target. (Amazon is out of the standard PS4 right now, but does have the Pro). You can’t buy any version of the XBox One (new, for MSRP on any of those sites)
prinz_valium
Member
The PS4 just outsold Xbox One a little over 2:1
PS5 will never outsell XS by 4:1
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MasterCornholio
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Basically they percentages were leaked on Resetera and calculations were made based off them.
July 2020 NPD (U.S. Hardware) Predictions - Closes Tuesday, August 11th
Thanks to Dolorean we have numbers again (https://www.resetera.com/threads/npd-july-2020-ghost-of-tsushima-1-cod-mw-2-paper-mario-3.268056/page-10#post-42731205) "Switch up +35%, X1 down -84%, PS4 down -19%" Assuming these are YoY changes like normal I get: Switch 340k PS4 150k XB1 17k XB1...
www.resetera.com
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DarkMage619
$MSFT
Is there a news report? Something that can't just be made up? CNBC, Business Insider, Forbes, Gamespot, or IGN work too! Not saying it can't be true but we all saw when a negative Sony story hit. It was all Phil Spencer's lies.
MasterCornholio
Member
Which negative news story was said to be Phil Spencer's lies?
Why? There is zero evidence of any hardware issues. Thinking that 'something is wrong' without any evidence is not rational at all, it is classic FUD.
Shmunter
Member
What’s the reason for supply issues? Retail didn’t expect to sell as many as 17k Xbox? MS didn’t make as many because they didn’t expect them to sell?
Global supply chain has taken a bruising, but multinational mega corps would not be caught off guard like what we’re seeing with Xbox here. Things are still moving just fine, I know because I deal with chynah imported goods en masse.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Sony fanboys feeling really insecure because of Gamepass. Don't worry, it can't hurt you.
MasterCornholio
Member
And include an adapter with them. The power plugs in Europe are different.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
You KNOW that any negative story about Sony or PS5 is HIGHLY scrutinized and eventually it falls back to blaming MS or anyone else who is pushing the story. Thread titles get changed in minutes to refute the claim if it is negative on Sony. The narrative about that Dusk guy was that he recanted his story and admitted to being a lying liar in the tank for MS. Whether that is true or not didn't matter. My POINT is that I'd like to see the sales report not the 'concern' from people who have no interest in the Xbox other than to tear it down. Even the way this thread was titled was designed to put the platform down. No actual evidence was provided (so far) and all the gang is here having a ball. It is what it is.
FeiRR
Banned
Now I see why it won't work: requires 13 years of thinking by the smartest Microsoft engineers.
MasterCornholio
Member
Are we talking about unproven rumors or just news?
As for the Dusk Golem thing they changed the title to reflect what happened. He was demodded and admitted to wanting to balance it out which is just participating in console warring.
Dusk Golem reiterates that the Xbox will be more powerful than the PS5 (Admitted to starting console wars, demodded)
Guess we gotta preare for the digital foundry comparisons. Lock if old.
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