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[DarkMage619]

Are we talking about unproven rumors or just news?

As for the Dusk Golem thing they changed the title to reflect what happened. He was demodded and admitted to wanting to balance it out which is just participating in console warring.

Which is this? Is this news? News stories usually have a link to an article. Can you provide one? That guy getting demodded doesn't mean he was lying. I'm an pretty sure he never said he was console warring. I also heard that he had some other insider info that turned out to be true. Regardless If THIS story is news I should be able to read about it somewhere. If its a rumor it should be classified as such right? If Xbox was replaced with PlayStation you think people would just accept it?

 

[GHG]

Which is this? Is this news? News stories usually have a link to an article. Can you provide one? That guy getting demodded doesn't mean he was lying. I'm an pretty sure he never said he was console warring. I also heard that he had some other insider info that turned out to be true. Regardless If THIS story is news I should be able to read about it somewhere. If its a rumor it should be classified as such right? If Xbox was replaced with PlayStation you think people would just accept it?

Are you new to how NPD is reported or something?

It's ok, just add a 0 to the end of the number in the title if that will help you feel better.

 

[PSNplanetcolony]

17K compared to what the Switch and PS4 sold and it's US, what an embarrassment. MS is really going Dreamcast route, which is for the better, they can focus more on making games than actually promising to making games.

Honestly as gamers, we should want healthy competition which is a win for us consumers. I might prefer Playstation brand, but I want good competition to keep them honest and going hard to please me with awesome games and service.

17k vs 150k. If MS stopped manufacturing, its bad as it is admission of failure. If gamers are starting to shun Xbox brand as less AAA exclusives are available, that may be worse.

 

[Vroadstar]

Honestly as gamers, we should want healthy competition which is a win for us consumers. I might prefer Playstation brand, but I want good competition to keep them honest and going hard to please me with awesome games and service.

17k vs 150k. If MS stopped manufacturing, its bad as it is admission of failure. If gamers are starting to shun Xbox brand as less AAA exclusives are available, that may be worse.

There was a previous thread here asking about if you want Xbox to stop doing hardware. I voted no and use the same reason as you mentioned. However, most of the news recently it looks like they are moving away from hardware and going hard with gamepass, which is great because I do enjoy some of their games on PC. So if they are going to concentrate more on software that's good, at least they won't get distracted with hardware anymore (they don't care about it sales wise as they say) and focus more on software. If this is X last console, I'm pretty sure another hardware will come up to challenge Sony, so competition will still be there.

 

[DarkMage619]

Are you new to how NPD is reported or something?

It's ok, just add a 0 to the end of the number in the title if that will help you feel better.

I am taking this to mean you don't have any proof either. Well I'll take this as credible as the Dusk comments then. If it said Playstation you wouldn't believe it either. Proof makes me feel better bro.

 

[Shmunter]

There was a previous thread here asking about if you want Xbox to stop doing hardware. I voted no and use the same reason as you mentioned. However, most of the news recently it looks like they are moving away from hardware and going hard with gamepass, which is great because I do enjoy some of their games on PC. So if they are going to concentrate more on software that's good, at least they won't get distracted with hardware anymore (they don't care about it sales wise as they say) and focus more on software. If this is X last console, I'm pretty sure another hardware will come up to challenge Sony, so competition will still be there.

Gamepass can’t survive without a walled garden console. If gamepass were all that from a business point of view, Steam, Epic could and would put in provisions for ‘all you can eat’ while also supporting al a carte sales on their storefront for diversity. They can destroy Gamepass overnight for PC only users.

Even Sony is not bothering to push PSNOW for likely similar reasons, and it’s Xcloud & Gamepass all in one, with more content. Imagine if they did include their new 1st party, but they don’t. Something doesn’t stack up in this model

MS is gambling massively against all odds. Them taking their eye off console sales perplexes me to no end. Could they actually be so grossly incompetent or am I missing some angle?

 

[DarkMage619]

MS is gambling massively against all odds. Them taking their eye off console sales perplexes me to no end. Could they actually be so grossly incompetent or am I missing some angle?

Who said they are taking their eye off console sales. Phil Spencer said he didn't need to outsell Sony and Nintendo to be successful. That isn't incompetent it's good business because Xbox will never win fanboys console sale wars. The XSX shows how serious they are about consoles because it's more powerful than the PS5.

 

[Shmunter]

Who said they are taking their eye off console sales. Phil Spencer said he didn't need to outsell Sony and Nintendo to be successful. That isn't incompetent it's good business because Xbox will never win fanboys console sale wars. The XSX shows how serious they are about consoles because it's more powerful than the PS5.

So what you’re saying is, console sales are as important as always to MS, but Spencer is simply stating fact they will never match the success of the others?

What about prior statements in regards to Google and Amazon being the true competition? Empty words, means nothing?

 

[martino]

Who said they are taking their eye off console sales. Phil Spencer said he didn't need to outsell Sony and Nintendo to be successful. That isn't incompetent it's good business because Xbox will never win fanboys console sale wars. The XSX shows how serious they are about consoles because it's more powerful than the PS5.

Some think they is only one way to do things when Nintendo already shown us they are at least two...how many other ways can they be ?
There is no logic to ask MS to do a frontal war doing thing like sony with current context

 

[Damian black]

Even that is too much for their absymal output.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

They do this every generation - they don't support their console in the final years. Instead it's on to the next one. Sony do a much better job in this regard. Whether they're talking about a clean break or not they don't just leave the console to die.

Sony always have a 10 year plan to support their consoles.
I know hardcore gamers don't care, neogaf can't wait to move to next gen and have been hyped since last year. But this is no way to build a brand.

My charitable take is that MS is completely rebooting Xbox and want everyone to forget the Xbox One ever existed.

 

[Zoro7]

Microsoft: We believe in cross generations and our games will support that!!
Microsoft discontinues current gen systems forcing you to wait for next gen consoles.
Microsofts PR has just been a fucking mess this whole time.

 

[GHG]

I am taking this to mean you don't have any proof either. Well I'll take this as credible as the Dusk comments then. If it said Playstation you wouldn't believe it either. Proof makes me feel better bro.

This is how NPD is reported. Take it or leave it.

If it was falsified then the person delivering the numbers would have been dealt with by now.

 

[Klayzer]

This is how NPD is reported. Take it or leave it.

If it was falsified then the person delivering the numbers would have been dealt with by now.

Pretty standard operating procedure, don't like the numbers, attack the messanger or question the validity.

 

[ZywyPL]

This x1000. People really desperately don't want to believe that MS, just as any other company in the world, is here only for the money, and software/games is where the profit comes from, not the consoles themselves. They figured out they can earn more than ever without needing to sell 100M+ consoles, that's their new strategy, that's their long-term plan. Sure, it doesn't fir the console/sales wars, but I don't think anyone actually working at MS nor their investors couldn't care less.

 

[H-I-M]

Wait, could this be Japan numbers?

Japan numbers would be 17.000

 

[Kokoloko85]

Wait for August and MS Flight Simulator

Be good to see how many people play it on gamepass and how many sales it gets on Xbox and PC, to see how much money the game generates.

 

[Grinchy]

There are more people dying of corona than buying an Xbox.

( )

 

[Three]

Source? Do we have links for this folks?

It's the leaked NPD numbers where the 17k comes from.

This x1000. People really desperately don't want to believe that MS, just as any other company in the world, is here only for the money, and software/games is where the profit comes from, not the consoles themselves. They figured out they can earn more than ever without needing to sell 100M+ consoles, that's their new strategy, that's their long-term plan. Sure, it doesn't fir the console/sales wars, but I don't think anyone actually working at MS nor their investors couldn't care less.

It's worth pointing out that this is revenue and not profit. I don't think MS are complaining but keep in mind these are not software/game sales but services.

 

[DinoD]

17K compared to what the Switch and PS4 sold and it's US, what an embarrassment. MS is really going Dreamcast route, which is for the better, they can focus more on making games than actually promising to making games.

Its not embarrassing. Phil Spencer is executing brilliantly on their strategy (approach) not to sell as many Xboxes as Sony and Nintendo.

 

[CrysisFreak]

There are more people dying of corona than buying an Xbox.

( )

my sides.
But yeah as one person said those 17k is actually a lot considering their output...

 

[ik3]

Its not embarrassing. Phil Spencer is executing brilliantly on their strategy (approach) not to sell as many Xboxes as Sony and Nintendo.

 

[anothertech]

Lol back to the "they've shown nothing running on the console" bullshit. You do realise that 3rd party developers have their dev kits with games running on them, don't you? You clearly don't. Games are built on PC, even PS5 games. When making demo videos it makes no sense to make them and then run them on a retail console simply to record it from there. No one does that. Sony don't do that. You can point to sonys slide saying "everything from now was captured on a PS5" but it means nothing - they got caught lying about that THIS VERY GENERATION by their own studio Naughty Dog lol. Sony put the big "CAPTURED FROM A PLAYSTATION 4 CONSOLE" blurb before the trailer that naughty dog admitted was not run in real time nor even using effects that their engine can run in real time.

People that keep using that line do not have any idea what they're talking about.

They can't sell the stock of their existing consoles? What stock?

Yes I can say this about their console endeavors. Literally everything I said was about their console endeavors.

Where am I getting "milked" exactly?


The fact that you are clinging onto this craig meme shows where your mindset is and why you shouldn't be taken seriously.

People outside of these forum do not know about "craig". They don't care about "craig". Also where did this rubbish "most expensive game ever made" crap come from?

I'm "frothing at the bit" to play Infinite, Forza, State of Decay 3, whatever gears is next, Forza Horizon 5 or whatever is next, and so on.



Red Dead Redemption 2 says hi. Third party devs making multiplatform games generally don't play favourites and intentionally make one version look worse than the other because it will sell less lol. That's ridiculous.

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Seriously, it must be hard to be Craig.

 

[JonnyMP3]

17K vs 150K.
That's like 9 times as many PS4 sold than Xbox 1's.

If that's not a branding/image issue... Then pass!

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Sony SAY that those games were running on their new console, but history and common sense says they weren't. There was no gameplay. There was nothing real time.

You did not watch Sony's presentation did you? What led you to believe that those graphics shown in the PS5 event were unbelievable? I see nothing unbelievable about what was shown there, I think they even show what diminishing returns means. If hat shown any less people would question how the PS5 compares to the Xbox One X (not series X).

It's amazing that you're saying MS are hiding their new product lol. Hiding it from who? Where? Devs have it. It's already being manufactured for release. You're literally trying to spread the FUD that the console is having problems and needs to be delayed lol. You're 100% fanboying here, making up FUD and bullshit.

Where are all the games running on it? Why aren't MS showing them? Even MS said no games at ran on their new console at the "reveal"? If they are not hiding the machine, they certainly are not showing off the machine. I don't know if the console itself has problems, but I know there is something wrong at MS/Xbox, otherwise they would be showing the games off left and right by this time.

Thinking something is wrong at xbox is the rational stance to take? Seriously? Lol Rational *based on what*? The fact that you think the console is vaporware and made up?

 

[Humdinger]

Ree is good for only one thing, and that's analysis of sales data. I've followed the threads for years, and Welfare is one of the best plugged-in guys in that group. He actually predicted 24K this month for Xbox, so he got astoundingly close to the actual number (everyone else who made predictions was way off).

Here's what he said:

This is purely because of low supply, not low demand.

Had Covid not been a thing, both would be super close to each other this year on a month to month basis. Production plans however were different, with Xbox planning to cut off Xbox One almost entirely by mid year and Sony just ramping down production at a slower pace. Sell through because of Covid pushed all excess stock back in March and April, meaning May onward is only going to sell what Xbox and PS were planning to ship.

July 2020 NPD (U.S. Hardware) Predictions - Closes Tuesday, August 11th

God I only got the PS4 number right.

www.resetera.com

I'm a Sony guy, so I appreciate how fun it can be to pile on, when it seems like there is bad news for Xbox. But we shouldn't misinterpret this. The 17K number does not reflect consumer sentiment. "This is purely because of low supply, not demand."

p.s. He also confirms this is the lowest NPD figure ever, for a console active within that generation. The original Xbox had a similar monthly NPD figure, but only after the 360 launched.

 

[thelastword]

No wonder MS is talking so much against hardware sales as an important metric.

 

[Shmunter]

Ree is good for only one thing, and that's analysis of sales data. I've followed the threads for years, and Welfare is one of the best plugged-in guys in that group. He actually predicted 24K this month for Xbox, so he got astoundingly close to the actual number (everyone else who made predictions was way off).

Here's what he said:

July 2020 NPD (U.S. Hardware) Predictions - Closes Tuesday, August 11th

God I only got the PS4 number right.

www.resetera.com

I'm a Sony guy, so I appreciate how fun it can be to pile on, when it seems like there is bad news for Xbox. But we shouldn't misinterpret this. The 17K number does not reflect consumer sentiment. "This is purely because of low supply, not demand."

Regardless, how does a company like MS mismanage the supply chain so catastrophically. Just symptomatic of Xbox leadership potentially.

 

[Humdinger]

Regardless, how does a company like MS mismanage the supply chain so catastrophically. Just symptomatic of Xbox leadership potentially.

I don't see it as catastrophic mismanagement. I see it as a combination of two things: 1) their intentional decision to cut production, earlier than Sony, plus 2) the unforeseen effects of the virus on the existing supply (i.e, they didn't anticipate that covid would cause people to buy up all the existing supply in the previous months, leaving so little on the shelves).

I'd say maybe a poorly timed call, given what happened with the virus, but no one could've predicted that. And once you've ramped down production, I'm sure it's hard to ramp it back up again. Maybe they missed out on 100K sales this month. That's not a big deal.

It might be a bigger deal if it extends over the next three or four months. I'm not sure what their plans are -- i.e., whether they plan to ship more for the holiday season, or just leave the shelves empty.

In any case, my point is that we shouldn't take this as a reflection on consumer sentiment about Xbox. It's just a function of the supply.

 

[MrFunSocks]

You did not watch Sony's presentation did you? What led you to believe that those graphics shown in the PS5 event were unbelievable? I see nothing unbelievable about what was shown there, I think they even show what diminishing returns means. If hat shown any less people would question how the PS5 compares to the Xbox One X (not series X).

Where are all the games running on it? Why aren't MS showing them? Even MS said no games at ran on their new console at the "reveal"? If they are not hiding the machine, they certainly are not showing off the machine. I don't know if the console itself has problems, but I know there is something wrong at MS/Xbox, otherwise they would be showing the games off left and right by this time.

Nothing lead me to believe the PS5 graphics were unbelievable, but that doesn’t change the fact there was nothing in-game and nothing being played in real time. None of that was on a retail PS5.

Yes, MS are hiding their machine......by giving dev kits to all the publishers and dev studios out there months ago lol. The machines in a real bad way, that’s why all the studios are readying their games for release on it in less than 3 months. You cracked the code Einstein. Got em!

 

[Trogdor1123]

PC game pass question. What hardware would I need for 1080/60 on a PC? I'm considering getting it.

My (old) computer is an old 2500k with a 560ti.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Regardless, how does a company like MS mismanage the supply chain so catastrophically. Just symptomatic of Xbox leadership potentially.

They didn’t mismanage it. They were cutting production of the consoles. Covid hit and caused shutdowns. They had already decided on ramping production down. They didn’t make consoles so stores couldn’t sell consoles.

there’s no mismanagement there. They chose not to make the console because we’re 7 years in and have new consoles coming in less than 3 months. Spending money on stock for customers that aren’t going to be worth anything would be silly.

 

[GHG]

Pretty standard operating procedure, don't like the numbers, attack the messanger or question the validity.

All the guy does is go round the forum dropping laughing emojis (if you get that reaction emoji from him on one of your posts then take that as him crying behind the screen).

The numbers are correct, the reason why is the only thing that is unclear at this stage.

 

[Damigos]

They are not out of "stock"
They just stopped making it.
Especially with the alleged Series S on the way one should guess their 2 consoles on sale would be the Series S and Series X.
The ONE S and X are on their last days and the fact no one cant find stock probably means that the new consoles will be released sooner than later.
If i must guess i will say November 6th

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

They are not out of "stock"
They just stopped making it.
Especially with the alleged Series S on the way one should guess their 2 consoles on sale would be the Series S and Series X.
The ONE S and X are on their last days and the fact no one cant find stock probably means that the new consoles will be released sooner than later.
If i must guess i will say November 6th

This is July's sales, so they got August, September, October to go. I said before, I don't understand the strategy in limping in to next gen like this.

What we'll see is good sales of Series X initially from the comparatively small Xbox hardcore and parent sales (especially with a $200-300 Series S) but the proving ground is after the Holidays, especially worldwide, will sales drop off like XB1's did.

 

[MayauMiao]

Switch 340k
PS4 150k
XB1 17k

Oof!

 

[MasterCornholio]

Which is this? Is this news? News stories usually have a link to an article. Can you provide one? That guy getting demodded doesn't mean he was lying. I'm an pretty sure he never said he was console warring. I also heard that he had some other insider info that turned out to be true. Regardless If THIS story is news I should be able to read about it somewhere. If its a rumor it should be classified as such right? If Xbox was replaced with PlayStation you think people would just accept it?

Why don't you call Bill O'Rights to fix the title if it bothers you so much instead of just complaining about it?

Also tone down that anger a bit. There's no need to get mad over this.

 

[Damigos]

This is July's sales, so they got August, September, October to go. I said before, I don't understand the strategy in limping in to next gen like this.

What we'll see is good sales of Series X initially from the comparatively small Xbox hardcore and parent sales (especially with a $200-300 Series S) but the proving ground is after the Holidays, especially worldwide, will sales drop off like XB1's did.

The probably stopped manufacturing because people is not buying it. Also i dont think Series S will be lower than $400.

 

[DaGwaphics]

I don't see it as catastrophic mismanagement. I see it as a combination of two things: 1) their intentional decision to cut production, earlier than Sony, plus 2) the unforeseen effects of the virus on the existing supply (i.e, they didn't anticipate that covid would cause people to buy up all the existing supply in the previous months, leaving so little on the shelves).

I'd say maybe a poorly timed call, given what happened with the virus, but no one could've predicted that. And once you've ramped down production, I'm sure it's hard to ramp it back up again. Maybe they missed out on 100K sales this month. That's not a big deal.

It might be a bigger deal if it extends over the next three or four months. I'm not sure what their plans are -- i.e., whether they plan to ship more for the holiday season, or just leave the shelves empty.

In any case, my point is that we shouldn't take this as a reflection on consumer sentiment about Xbox. It's just a function of the supply.

They just made that statement not that long ago about continuing to produce the 1S. That's what makes me think we might get a new 1S with the new controller and an official price cut.

 

[CrysisFreak]

PC game pass question. What hardware would I need for 1080/60 on a PC? I'm considering getting it.

My (old) computer is an old 2500k with a 560ti.

Depends on the games you want to play and also on your budget.
Get a modern mid tier AMD CPU and for your GPU wait until the new ones come out.
If you insist on getting one now, a RTX 2060 will get you 1080p60 everything except RT on Maximum.
Then again I'm not a PC guy so others know more.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

The probably stopped manufacturing because people is not buying it. Also i dont think Series S will be lower than $400.

Well my point was not that I disagree that people aren't buying it, but the longer term strategy (is there one?) set out years ago to sort of phase out the XB1 and XB1X before there is even a replacement on the market aside from your rival's consoles... Doesn't make any sense but who am I to advise, lol.

 

[Trogdor1123]

Depends on the games you want to play and also on your budget.
Get a modern mid tier AMD CPU and for your GPU wait until the new ones come out.
If you insist on getting one now, a RTX 2060 will get you 1080p60 everything except RT on Maximum.
Then again I'm not a PC guy so others know more.

Thanks, I'll have to wait I guess.

 

[CrysisFreak]

Thanks, I'll have to wait I guess.

You should know that 1080p60 in current-gen games is not hard to get at all.
Lots of people going for 120 or even 240 hz depending on the game, or going for 2K or 4K or ultrawide which also means higher resolution aka higher requirements.
Unlike those targets 1080p60 is quite humble but still absolutely playable. Therefore, you don't need a high end rig.
At this point in time wait until Nvidia Ampere or AMD RDNA 2 is out.
If you're fine with 1080p you can game on your new hardware for many years if you get the new stuff.

 

[DarkMage619]

So what you’re saying is, console sales are as important as always to MS, but Spencer is simply stating fact they will never match the success of the others?

What about prior statements in regards to Google and Amazon being the true competition? Empty words, means nothing?

HISTORY showed they won't match the success of the others. MS has been in the console game for 20 years. They have NEVER beat Nintendo or Sony. They did business the same way Nintendo and Sony did and failed at it. It would be insanity to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result.

Comparing company size who is MS most like; Amazon and Google or Sony and Nintendo? MS has more things going on than just gaming and Xbox is just one of their many ventures just like Google and Amazon have many ventures. I totally see MS, Google, and Amazon as competitors.

This is how NPD is reported. Take it or leave it.

If it was falsified then the person delivering the numbers would have been dealt with by now.

Well with no proof I'll choose to leave it. If we can disregard negative PS5 news when their is no proof I can do the same with negative Xbox news. Fair is fair. Again if you want o post the report I'll retract my statement.

Why don't you call Bill O'Rights to fix the title if it bothers you so much instead of just complaining about it?

Also tone down that anger a bit. There's no need to get mad over this.

Who is mad sir? And complaining about what? I simply asked for proof of a supposed 'news' report. I was told I won't get any and negative Xbox news should be true because a random person said so. I just choose not to. If you believe it that's your choice.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Companies do not ship X units of a product if they do not see demand for that product. If Microsoft isn't shipping Xbox Ones, then most likely it's due to the lack of demand for Xbox Ones.

You would want to sell as many Xbox Ones before the XSX comes out. Consumers who want an XB1 aren't the same people who will want to buy the XSX at launch. The more XB1's you sell, the more people you lock into the Xbox ecosystem which means more revenue.

 

[MasterCornholio]

HISTORY showed they won't match the success of the others. MS has been in the console game for 20 years. They have NEVER beat Nintendo or Sony. They did business the same way Nintendo and Sony did and failed at it. It would be insanity to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result.

Comparing company size who is MS most like; Amazon and Google or Sony and Nintendo? MS has more things going on than just gaming and Xbox is just one of their many ventures just like Google and Amazon have many ventures. I totally see MS, Google, and Amazon as competitors.


Well with no proof I'll choose to leave it. If we can disregard negative PS5 news when their is no proof I can do the same with negative Xbox news. Fair is fair. Again if you want o post the report I'll retract my statement.


Who is mad sir? And complaining about what? I simply asked for proof of a supposed 'news' report. I was told I won't get any and negative Xbox news should be true because a random person said so. I just choose not to. If you believe it that's your choice.

Cause you want "rumor " to be added to the title and that isn't happening yet?

Plus you seen to be angry at PlayStation for some reason.

I'm sure mods will fix the title if they think it's necessary.

I agree with you though. If there isn't actual proof we can't take this as the truth. Same with the Dusk Golem rumors.

Right now it's just a rumor from someone who claims to have NPD numbers. It's your choice to believe them or not. Whenever suits your preference.

 

[NickFire]

Wait, people think a 9-1 sales margin is ok because the company who is pledging continued support for last gen stopped making the product it will continue supporting? This makes absolutely no sense to me.

It also begs the question in my mind --> Why is MS still holding back first parties by making them support a machine that MS seems to have little interest in right now? We've seen how the flagship turned out because of this, and if last gen is so unimportant in terms of hardware production, then why haven't they changed course yet for software?

 

[DarkMage619]

Cause you want "rumor " to be added to the title and that isn't happening yet?

Plus you seen to be angry at PlayStation for some reason.

I'm sure mods will fix the title if they think it's necessary.

I agree with you though. If there isn't actual proof we can't take this as the truth. Same with the Dusk Golem rumors.

Right now it's just a rumor from someone who claims to have NPD numbers. It's your choice to believe them or not. Whenever suits your preference.

You thinking I'm mad is a perception you have in your head. I asked for evidence of the claim that many here just accepted. If wanting proof of negative Xbox news means I'm mad at Playstation then fine whatever you say.

 

[Trogdor1123]

You should know that 1080p60 in current-gen games is not hard to get at all.
Lots of people going for 120 or even 240 hz depending on the game, or going for 2K or 4K or ultrawide which also means higher resolution aka higher requirements.
Unlike those targets 1080p60 is quite humble but still absolutely playable. Therefore, you don't need a high end rig.
At this point in time wait until Nvidia Ampere or AMD RDNA 2 is out.
If you're fine with 1080p you can game on your new hardware for many years if you get the new stuff.

Appreciate the comments. Sounds like a short wait will be worth it.

 

[MasterCornholio]

You thinking I'm mad is a perception you have in your head. I asked for evidence of the claim that many here just accepted. If wanting proof of negative Xbox news means I'm mad at Playstation then fine whatever you say.

NPD doesn't release numbers anymore. They usually get leaked by people who have them.

It's up to you to choose to believe them or not. Just like you have to choose to believe that the PS5 is broken.