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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Handy Fake

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Dan_of_Rivia said:
No I don't think he's implying the GPU or CU's will go over 2.23 Ghz, but that if the GPU and CU's are not fully saturated or running at a clock speed of let's say 1.8 Ghz, then a specific CU(s) or RT core(s) can run at a higher clock such as 2.23 Ghz or whatever.
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May well be able to go higher I suppose; the only reason the GPU was capped was because the logic starts to break down if it goes any faster, but perhaps that doesn't apply to RT calculations?
 
MasterCornholio

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avenovah said:
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Hopefully it's something.

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ultrazilla

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Micro Rant incoming:

"Native 4k" and "ray-tracing" are the new "lens flare" but unlike lens flare, they can be a huge detriment to game performance.

They are beginning to sound like "Cloud computing" Remember when Microsoft was touting it as a way to see never thought possible
enhanced game performance and destruction in Crackdown 3? Where the hell did that go? Must have crashed and burned with Crackdown....

Anyways, I'd rather developers just go with solid performance at 2560x1440p/60fps. Anyone else feel this way? /Micro Rant
 
Neo Blaster

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SSfox said:
Those guys seems talented, managing to make a game like this with very few people is awesome. No surprise Sony approached them to make this game exclusive.

Remember that Guerrilla were like 7 people or something when making KZ1, and look where they are now. I think Sony has the thing to see the hidden talent in game devs.
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We will see what this dev can do on August 28th, if the results are good it's great news for how easy small devs can harness PS5 power, not to mention the bigger ones.
 
Grinchy

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ultrazilla said:
Micro Rant incoming:

"Native 4k" and "ray-tracing" are the new "lens flare" but unlike lens flare, they can be a huge detriment to game performance.

They are beginning to sound like "Cloud computing" Remember when Microsoft was touting it as a way to see never thought possible
enhanced game performance and destruction in Crackdown 3? Where the hell did that go? Must have crashed and burned with Crackdown....

Anyways, I'd rather developers just go with solid performance at 2560x1440p/60fps. Anyone else feel this way? /Micro Rant
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You should wait for ray tracing to actually suck before writing it off completely.

I don't doubt that there were people during the PS1/N64 generation who felt that 3D was a waste of performance and was ruining gaming. Imagine how silly and short-sighted they looked.

Ray tracing is a natural and necessary evolution. It has to happen and someday you'll look back and just be glad that it did.
 
Metroiddarks

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SSfox said:
I know people that play on PC and the amount of money they spent is insane, and they don't even play this much They're not rich or anything but just got baited in the mood of "I NEED TO HAVE THE BEST GRAPHIC CARD, I NEED TO RUN MY GAMES AT MAXIMUM" ect, that was scary to see lol
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I never meet personally any gamer which do that but I see it in differents PC communities a lot people which do that.

In other hand I have a friend which is thinking in build a high end pc (his first one ) and when I asked for how much will
be the budget he told me around 3000 USD ... after that I was crying in the corner thinking if I should charge him for my
help or still be friends. :lollipop_neutral:

BTW I wish be rich so in that way I can start to complain with people with less luck about the money is not all.
 
Aceofspades

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Dan_of_Rivia said:
RedGamingTech on the PS5's Ray-tracing:

"I'm also way less certain about this but I heard something about the ray-tracing aspect of the PS5's GPU, and I was told that it IS based on RDNA 2 much like the Xbox Series X but allegedly it's customised by Sony, I don't know the exact details here and I would take this with a truckload of salt, as this is not from a regular source....I was told it is based on RDNA 2 but the PS5 can run ray-tracing at different frequencies calculations when running RT, I don't have the architecture specifics, so I don't know if the RT cores themselves are decoupled or wether it's the CU or wether this is true at all, the only reason I have any faith in this rumour is that one of my more reliable sources hinted to me that specific CU of the PS5 could possibly operate at higher clock speeds and could basically be independent of the entire GPU".
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I'm on the camp that believe RDNA2 feature set in both are basically 99% identical and are fetched from AMD roadmap. RT implementation will be IDENTICAL in both machines.

Sony might have some custom stuff (Cache scrubbers) which were specified by Cerny as PS5 only that "might" appear on PC cards in the future. Sony might also add/reduce GPU units based on their need ( similar to number of ACE on PS4) which ended up in future AMD cards.

What I mean that Sony/MS might tweak RDNA2 current feature set to their need, and in the rare case that they actually add something new we would have heard of it by now e.g (Cache scrubbers on PS5). We won't magically find out that PS5 is using a customized RT unit otherwise Cerny would have mentioned that in the presentation.

That's my take on this.
 
saintjules

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Neo Blaster said:
Sometimes I think this console either doesn't exist or will launch later.
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They definitely wouldn't have put X|S on the Robot White Controller packaging. I don't know, just seems weird to do that otherwise.

If they don't launch the XSS at the same time as the XSX, they'll be in a tougher situation in my opinion. Sony has their DE which seems ready to go with the Standard Edition. On top of that, if the Series X comes in at a high price, that for sure will nail them in the coffin. That's just because many can't afford anything higher than $4-500. To warrant a price of $500 and up, that XSS needs to be there at launch to offset the blow by having that as the cheaper entry point. I just feel that these options need to be there at the same time at launch.
 
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yewles1

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sircaw said:
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SlimySnake

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ultrazilla said:
Micro Rant incoming:

"Native 4k" and "ray-tracing" are the new "lens flare" but unlike lens flare, they can be a huge detriment to game performance.

They are beginning to sound like "Cloud computing" Remember when Microsoft was touting it as a way to see never thought possible
enhanced game performance and destruction in Crackdown 3? Where the hell did that go? Must have crashed and burned with Crackdown....

Anyways, I'd rather developers just go with solid performance at 2560x1440p/60fps. Anyone else feel this way? /Micro Rant
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i agree with you on native 4k, but unlike cloud computing we have already seen ray tracing in action in A LOT of games shown at the sony reveal. it's not vaporware. it's a real thing that adds depth to a game's visual by adding a new dimension when used properly.

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geordiemp

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Aceofspades said:
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I'm on the camp that believe RDNA2 feature set in both are basically 99% identical and are fetched from AMD roadmap. RT implementation will be IDENTICAL in both machines.

Sony might have some custom stuff (Cache scrubbers) which were specified by Cerny as PS5 only that "might" appear on PC cards in the future. Sony might also add/reduce GPU units based on their need ( similar to number of ACE on PS4) which ended up in future AMD cards.

What I mean that Sony/MS might tweak RDNA2 current feature set to their need, and in the rare case that they actually add something new we would have heard of it by now e.g (Cache scrubbers on PS5). We won't magically find out that PS5 is using a customized RT unit otherwise Cerny would have mentioned that in the presentation.

That's my take on this.
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Nah, the naujght dog and cerny patent says they ate compressing data between one part of GPU and next for more throughput and efficiency. This is new and not standard at all.
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yewles1

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CrysisFreak said:
I just read the whole twitter thread. These people are straight up mentally ill.
timdog and his friends are about to start a worldwide revolution if they do not get enough attention soon.
Alex is sweating profusely whenever PS5 is mentioned. IT CANNOT HAVE RT!
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What'd I tell y'all about PJW's?
 
Wraith Phantom

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FeiRR said:
Three and half minutes of people talking to the side of the camera, not a single second of the actual console UI in action.
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Bruh you clicked it. Anytime I see someone post xbox videos. Its a straight skip. I always wait for summary. So thanks. LOL. Sounds like typical Xbox all talk & no show.
 
Killer Sakoman

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Nickolaidas said:
Okay, let's be a little less naive here. Cerny saying terraflops don't really matter is like Spencer saying that exclusives are anti-consumer. Both are trying to downplay/handwave the areas their hardware is left wanting. There is some truth to what Cerny is saying (that talent, tech and other stuff can help mitigate the difference between PS5 and XSX specs), but saying that terraflops don't matter is clearly a PR stunt.

Basically: If the PS5 was 13 TFs and the XSX was 9 TFs, there's no way in hell that Cerny would've said, 'Terraflops don't matter'.
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Well, He has to overcome a marketing messahe against his product. Even if he knows they other product that is strong on paper is actually weaker
 
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danielJackson

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Nickolaidas said:
Okay, let's be a little less naive here. Cerny saying terraflops don't really matter is like Spencer saying that exclusives are anti-consumer. Both are trying to downplay/handwave the areas their hardware is left wanting. There is some truth to what Cerny is saying (that talent, tech and other stuff can help mitigate the difference between PS5 and XSX specs), but saying that terraflops don't matter is clearly a PR stunt.

Basically: If the PS5 was 13 TFs and the XSX was 9 TFs, there's no way in hell that Cerny would've said, 'Terraflops don't matter'.
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And if both would have 20 TFs? still impossible scenario to say "TFs dont matter"?

You are either the naive one or troll here, PS5 isnt 9TF as you are trying to troll.

You claim you know EVERYTHING and WHY Cerny would speak on EVERY scenario, like everything leads into "Cerny talks trash!"

At the moment it is kind of both, either he were honest and believes that we are at the point where TFs really just dont matter in the same sense as earlier, or he is just a fanboy whom says it because he is so scared about 10.2 vs 12 TFs. But you cant say it is 100% certainly either.

From technical standpoint it is clearly possible that he says TFs dont matter, not because xbox have few more, but because there are more important things that matter, like quality games.

It is kind of like gens until next gen would have been cars with small engines and new gen of cars would always be clearly faster than one before, but then industry reaches the point where all cars have enough HP to do same tasks fast enough, so now HPs dont matter but how comfortable and quiet the car is starts to matter more.

But no, you are 100% sure that only reason is because xsex have few TFs more.
 
Aceofspades

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geordiemp said:
Nah, the naujght dog and cerny patent says they ate compressing data between one part of GPU and next for more throughput and efficiency. This is new and not standard at all.
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I really hope thats true although I think Cerny would have mentioned that in the presentation if this patent ended up in PS5.
 
geordiemp

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Aceofspades said:
I really hope thats true although I think Cerny would have mentioned that in the presentation if this patent ended up in PS5.
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Why patent was only published last week, why would Cerny spill the beans early ? He did say new gerometry engine and new capabilities in road to ps5, but nobody listened.

When nDA and stuff is up and tear down starts, all will be revealed. Patents are starting to drop and people are starting to speculate anyway.
 
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DrDamn

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ultrazilla said:
Micro Rant incoming:

"Native 4k" and "ray-tracing" are the new "lens flare" but unlike lens flare, they can be a huge detriment to game performance.

They are beginning to sound like "Cloud computing" Remember when Microsoft was touting it as a way to see never thought possible
enhanced game performance and destruction in Crackdown 3? Where the hell did that go? Must have crashed and burned with Crackdown....

Anyways, I'd rather developers just go with solid performance at 2560x1440p/60fps. Anyone else feel this way? /Micro Rant
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The problem is there are DF and other pixel counters ready to point out how non-4K they are. Hopefully DF are good to their word and change their focus away from this. I'd rather the devs had the freedom to choose the method of rendering and image construction and be judged on the final look rather than these factors.
 
FeiRR

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Xbox fans saving bandwidth for xCloud... maybe?
 
Dolomite

Dolomite

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kyliethicc said:
Racing is a sport. Winning and losing. Competition. Not the same thing. Motorsport is a sport. It’s more than just a driving simulation, it’s simulating the sport. A competition. Mario Kart and GT and Forza are all sports games, same as FIFA NBA and Rocket League, even Fall Guys. A flying sim is different, but it doesn’t matter.
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You took this so far I'm ready to say you won to stop you from nerding out🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️ what do you do with a sim? Do you play it or sim it to death?are there races in MFS? Check, leader boards? Check
Challenges and events? Check. Multiplayer? Check.
IDK chief this sim is sounding like it may have more to offer
 
ThaMonkeyClaw

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Nickolaidas said:
Okay, let's be a little less naive here. Cerny saying terraflops don't really matter is like Spencer saying that exclusives are anti-consumer. Both are trying to downplay/handwave the areas their hardware is left wanting. There is some truth to what Cerny is saying (that talent, tech and other stuff can help mitigate the difference between PS5 and XSX specs), but saying that terraflops don't matter is clearly a PR stunt.

Basically: If the PS5 was 13 TFs and the XSX was 9 TFs, there's no way in hell that Cerny would've said, 'Terraflops don't matter'.
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TeraFlops do matter, but it is just one piece of a larger puzzle, it is not the end all judgement on how fast a console is, there are ton of bottlenecks that you have to take into account and even with the PS4 it has always been about a better system balance than anything, we never saw Sony marketing on TeraFlops back then since the PS4 was 1.84TF and the Xbox One was 1.23TF. But TeraFlops do matter, just like SSD speed matters, I/O throughput matters, etc. all the things matter, just one thing shouldn't dictate the 'power' of the system.
 
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