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[Rossco EZ]

spilled my coffee thank you for the laugh

this one is better haha

 

[hemo memo]

Yes people are frustrated waiting for Sony to announce the price.

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

Yes people are frustrated waiting for Sony to announce the price.

Where's that Soony WaitStation 5 pre order, UI reveal, launch line up info, price announcement?

 

[DaGwaphics]

Eh. xbox right now has the cheaper and more powerful console compared to ps4 and it has never sold worse in the last year

It's a site what removing a product from store shelves will do to your sales. Who would have thunk that.

 

[Darius87]

When laying flat on its side, the Series S will actually look pretty good. As long as you can't see the top.
Small box is cool too. Shame its a gimped 500 GB console.

looks like blank paper sheet to me very creative microsoft

 

[hemo memo]

Where's that Soony WaitStation 5 pre order, UI reveal, launch line up info, price announcement?

PS5 is coming

 

[Thirty7ven]

Considering how the XSS, date and price announcements have caused very little waves, I wouldn’t be surprised if Sony decided to hold on another month.

 

[3liteDragon]

Considering how the XSS, date and price announcement have caused very little waves, I wouldn’t be surprised if Sony decided to hold on another month.

You’re not getting price and release date from Sony until MS actually opens up pre-orders for both Xbox consoles.

 

[ArcaneNLSC]

 

[BlueXImpulse]

That moment when it's actually a good design that they could sell to kids.

 

[Empire Strikes Back]

Struggling to care about the underwhelming XSS.

But it does look like Sony is about to make a move...

PSVR 2 OR BUST!!1

 

[Qwaaarktastic]

Am I a joke to you ?

 

[iamvin22]

Considering how the XSS, date and price announcements have caused very little waves, I wouldn’t be surprised if Sony decided to hold on another month.

Bingo

 

[Darius87]

Yeah all they did was change a letter and then they got ASS instead of XSS.

omg your on to something:
if xss = ass and xsx = sex
ASS SEX ? or SEXY ASS?
maybe if you buy both systems on launch you get sexy ass or get f***ed in the ass?
that's risky if you ask me but these tactics could move systems even without games.

 

[Agnostic2020]

It's a site what removing a product from store shelves will do to your sales. Who would have thunk that.

They had this for the past 3 years since 2017 and every year they sold worse than before . There is a thing called preceived value. Not saying they cant change that but it remains to be seen . Just price doesn't mean much . It needs combination of things

 

[Daniel_Mallorca1985]

 

[AveragePhoenix]

 

[hemo memo]

They had this for the past 3 years since 2017 and every year they sold worse than before . There is a thing called preceived value. Not saying they cant change that but it remains to be seen . Just price doesn't mean much . It needs combination of things

True. Xbox support outside the US and in small regions is not great.

 

[AveragePhoenix]

Considering how the XSS, date and price announcements have caused very little waves, I wouldn’t be surprised if Sony decided to hold on another month.

"very little waves"

 

[saintjules]

 

[geordiemp]

This can't be a serious post? DLSS has shown the ability to provide very good results at 1/4 resolution, typical TI falls apart at lower than 1/2 resolution. No need to play down nVidia's solution, it rocks. Especially in terms of bringing otherwise expensive GFX effects to lower-powered skus.

The Nvidia solution is great, never said otherwise, my point is advanced temporal is equally as good.

1440p to 4k was perfection on UE5 demo, and that was at 30 FPS which always improves with frame rate.Tell me what is the temporal weakness is in UE5 demo and I will concede.

Normally I get either personal insults or which games question in reposte, as nobody can refute temporal has advanced like DLSS 2.0 has technicallyu so they fight the person or ask for a games list. Sony will be using similar in Ratchet and Miles.

Both techniques will help Ray tacing next gen. Seriously, what does DLSS do that very good temporal cannot (like seen in UE5 demo where people could not even determine the resolution at all)

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I’m only passing on what I was told. I have no idea why the rumored prices are what they are rumored to be. I hope Sony gives official pricing SooN!

I also asked for HeisenbergFX4 to try to verify this info.

Yeah I very seldom straight ask for particular info I let him give me what he feels is safe then on top of that he will say something like "And that I feel is okay to share" everything else is off the books.

So I doubt I could get shipping info even if I asked

 

[ManaByte]

The PS5 price announcement is going to break some people.

 

[LiquidRex]

Sweet

 

[Neo Blaster]

Damn they actually went for that design. Surprising that they still haven't announced the Series X price.
I honestly believe if PS5 DE is $399 then this is DOA.

Unless they retire One S and make XSS the only entry point at $299.

 

[DaGwaphics]

They had this for the past 3 years since 2017 and every year they sold worse than before . There is a thing called preceived value. Not saying they cant change that but it remains to be seen . Just price doesn't mean much . It needs combination of things

Didn't 1S outsell PS4 several times after release (in the territories that Xbox competes in)? No question though that MS hasn't pushed X1 at all from a marketing perspective in the last 12-18 months, that stings.

 

[Agnostic2020]

The PS5 price announcement is going to break some people.

Imagine the delusion to think ps5 de is 349 .

So he thinks for
more powerful gpu by 250%
more ram by 60%
faster ram
better ssd
better io by 250%
more ssd

sony will charge 50$ more ? Wtf???

 

[Zoro7]

Unless they retire One S and make XSS the only entry point at $299.

I see what your saying. But a 100 dollars between the series S and PS5 DE? Not sure why you’d buy a series S at that point.

 

[kyliethicc]

Unless they retire One S and make XSS the only entry point at $299.

They'll probably just match it with whatever the PS4 slim ends up at. $200 or $250 or something like that.

 

[sojuwarrior]

can the series S handle raytracing?

 

[Agnostic2020]

Didn't 1S outsell PS4 several times after release (in the territories that Xbox competes in)? No question though that MS hasn't pushed X1 at all from a marketing perspective in the last 12-18 months, that stings.

Nah they have been always behind even in npd. Rest the world is a blood bath .lets forget that.

Past year npd has also been disaster which aligns with what u said . Not pushing x1s and discontinuing x1x were the reasons

 

[DaGwaphics]

The Nvidia solution is great, never said otherwise, my point is advanced temporal is equally as good.

1440p to 4k was perfection on UE5 demo, and that was at 30 FPS which always improves with frame rate.Tell me what is the temporal weakness is in UE5 demo and I will concede.

Normally I get either personal insults or which games question in reposte, as nobody can refute temporal has advanced like DLSS 2.0 has technicallyu so they fight the person or ask for a games list. Sony will be using similar in Ratchet and Miles.

Both techniques will help Ray tacing next gen. Seriously, what does DLSS do that very good temporal cannot (like seen in UE5 demo where people could not even determine the resolution at all)

Both techniques try and do the same thing, but that neural network helps DLSS do a lot more with "less" data. The fewer pixels you need to provide to get the end result, the more performance that can be extracted from the hardware. Calculations based entirely on local compute will never compete with ML + Local inference, simple as that.

 

[kyliethicc]

can the series S handle raytracing?

Less than PS5 and XSX but sure. It'll be RDNA 2 based GPU with support for RT. How much? Assume less than the big boys.

 

[DaGwaphics]

Nah they have been always behind even in npd. Rest the world is a blood bath .lets forget that.

Past year npd has also been disaster which aligns with what u said . Not pushing x1s and discontinuing x1x were the reasons

Hmm, after a quick Google search I see 1S outperforming PS4 on a relatively consistent basis in the US & UK (particularly around the holidays). Shows what's possible when the MS marketing machine is running full tilt.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Yeah I very seldom straight ask for particular info I let him give me what he feels is safe then on top of that he will say something like "And that I feel is okay to share" everything else is off the books.

So I doubt I could get shipping info even if I asked

Sony did mention earlier in the year that shipping could be an issue dye to Covid. I remember reading about them saying they would ship by air to get stock over here sooner. With that said I don't see why this is exclusive to them because both companies are shipping consoles china among other places. Stock could be a real issue for all systems at launch so people better pre-order as soon as they are able to if they want one at launch.

The PS5 price announcement is going to break some people.

Either way it's going to break sone people. And expect meltdowns with sales as well whichever way they go.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Hmm, after a quick Google search I see 1S outperforming PS4 on a relatively consistent basis in the US & UK (particularly around the holidays). Shows what's possible when the MS marketing machine is running full tilt.

Dude its 49 million vs 116 million . They have never outperformed anything

 

[megreotsugua]

Since last year I was already calling a disc-less version that is cheaper and I totally get why.

But today I offer an alternative theory on pricing.

Blu-ray edition - $399
Digital 1.6GB - $499

• Sony must be aware that those who are budget-conscious will still want to have the physical disc option.
• Mom and pop buying their kids a next-gen console will not find the xbox series s or digital edition PS5 at the local game retailers because they will refuse to carry them.
• The blu-ray will have more retail exposure which is not too important for now (due to Covid-19) but will be in the future.
• Yes PSN and digital consumption of games is growing but it doesn't mean that the majority of gamers are abandoning physical discs. It's just that more gamers have been buying through the digital store in addition to physical discs.
• Blu-ray edition will still allow borrowing of games between friends, cousins, and classmates. Think about the children!

 

[Agnostic2020]

Since last year I was already calling a disc-less version that is cheaper and I totally get why.

But today I offer an alternative theory on pricing.

Blu-ray edition - $399
DE 1.6GB edition - $499

• Sony must be aware that those who are budget-conscious will still want to have the physical disc option.
• Mom and pop buying their kids a next-gen console will not find the xbox series s or digital edition PS5 at the local game retailers because they will refuse to carry them.
• The blu-ray will have more retail exposure which is not too important for now (due to Covid-19) but will be in the future.
• Yes PSN and digital consumption of games is growing but it doesn't mean that the majority of gamers are abandoning physical discs.

They r willing to take more loss on digital edition cause they make more money from it. Not otherway around.

 

[Zheph]

Yes PSN and digital consumption of games is growing but it doesn't mean that the majority of gamers are abandoning physical discs.

According to Sony, a majority of the PS4 users are digital only once why it was an easy decision

 

[DaGwaphics]

Dude its 49 million vs 116 million . They have never outperformed anything

They outsold them several times in the US and UK. You do realize that the systems are only a 5 or 6m apart at best in the states, right?

Xbox One outsells PS4 for second successive month in the US - MCV/DEVELOP

Has Xbox One finally turned the tide against PS4 in the North American market? - MCV/DEVELOP

www.mcvuk.com

Xbox One sales beat the PS4 in the US for third month in a row

The Verge is about technology and how it makes us feel. Founded in 2011, we offer our audience everything from breaking news to reviews to award-winning features and investigations, on our site, in video, and in podcasts.

www.theverge.com

These are not hard to find at all.

 

[jasondefaoite]

But today I offer an alternative theory on pricing.

Blu-ray edition - $399
DE 1.6GB edition - $499

The only difference with the DE and Full Edition is the optical drive.

 

[XinTniX]

Nextgen with 360 GBs of free space... humn...

 

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[Hendrick's]

Sony was probably hoping to hit that 599 price point. Now let's see how they shift. They may have shot themselves in the foot a little with the DE, as the perception will be that is the lower end model, yet being virtually the same cost, they can't sell it for much less.

 

[DaGwaphics]

Nextgen with 360 GBs of free space... humn...

Games should be smaller on the XSS, so that should help a bit. But CoD can still be ridiculous even on the 1S, LOL

 

[Arkam]

can the series S handle raytracing?

Things like this are what we need to know now. What does $299 get us. Will XSX games have perormance and fidelity modes and the SS be limited to the performance mode... or will it be a greater experience delta? W/O these details its hard to judge the value proposition.

 

[megreotsugua]

They r willing to take more loss on digital edition cause they make more money from it. Not otherway around.

That was my reasoning when I was preaching about the possible disc-less version way back last year. I totally get the idea.

But I'm still convinced my alternate pricing scheme is not impossible.

 

[megreotsugua]

The only difference with the DE and Full Edition is the optical drive.

I know. What's your point?

By the way, in case you haven't noticed that $499 digital edition comes with 1.6 gigabytes of SSD.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Anyone remember them using that 3rd code name?

 

[jose4gg]

Anyone remember them using that 3rd code name?

THREE SKUs