Nope the industry is adopting the Microsoft model no matter how much it pains you. Nvidia could of worked with Sony and built around expensive hardware IO. The PS5 has great storage but just to costly and inflexible for the industry to make the standard. The best technology does not always win see betamax.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
nah they finally demo'd their supersampler feedback logic and it does seem to be doing what they said it does.
3liteDragon
Member
Reading the last few pages...
megreotsugua
Banned
Yes.
The way they project VA™ as something that can hold its own against Sony's hardware solution is a marketing gimmick.
On its own, it's still a good solution compared to last-gen. That 12 seconds loading is surely appreciated versus the 50 seconds of before.
But Sony is doing to 2 seconds of loading, and while Xbox has half the speed on paper of PS5, it'l can't do 4 seconds. That's because there are still a lot of bottlenecks that MS did not address.
Latency is Sony's advantage in the I/O solution and not just pure bandwidth numbers.
jose4gg
Member
Yep, they did an amazing job there, my only question would be regarding the speed, like how fast they can rotate the world without increasing the amount of RAM required, what happens when the user stops and jumps to a specific section quickly, how much it will take to have the texture again...
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ZehDon
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There might be some confusion here. You're responding to a post that is addressing the specific claim that Nvidia is following Sony's lead. I then replied with my post - highlighting they're literally using Microsoft's DirectStorage API, which is part of the Velocity Architecture Microsoft has developed. Microsoft is advertising the features of its hardware, and has shown them off working as described. They're no more a "marketing gimmick" than the PS5 advertising "Ray Tracing" is marketing gimmick. The PS5 does have ray tracing, and the Xbox does have Velocity Architecture. Did Microsoft create a fancy name to make advertising its feature set easier? Yeah, they did. Does that mean its a gimmick, or won't deliver what they've advertised? Not at all.
qiqiqiiq
Member
I was a little interested on the Series S until I heard that the backwards profile is more than likely going to aim for the ONE S mode, rather than the ONE X due to the limited ammount of RAM, I guess I'll lose my digital xbox games for the time being, I doubt I'll get an xbox this gen or maybe when the Series X is dirt cheap.
megreotsugua
Banned
mea culpa
How do they advertise it? I'm not sure how MS officially advertise it.
But MS fans are saying absurd claims like it's as fast as Sony's solution latency-wise or that it has also eliminated the same bottlenecks that the PS5's I/O solution addressed. On that point, it won't deliver.
BlueXImpulse
Banned
I would like to hear Gavin Stevens thoughts on Series S development.
ZehDon
Gold Member
For their consoles, they officially use terms like "ultra fast loading" and "low latency", both of which are correct. In their demonstrations, they're typically using cross-gen backwards compatible titles. This is for two reasons: easy comparison (we can see the difference it makes) and because Microsoft just doesn't have any first party titles ready for launch. In terms of other applications, such as its use in Windows or NVidias 3000 series of video cards, they use a combination of terms such as rather dull "maximizes performance throughout".
In terms of MS fans, I mean, sure? There were MS fans saying the Xbone had a second GPU, and there are Sony fans who thinks Sony is dropping the PS5 Digitial Edition for USD$250.00. We correctly ignore those people because they're lunatics
Alex Scott
Member
Best technology ALWAYS win. Especially that can easily be used. Sony didn't create their I/O all by themselves, they also worked with MARVELL as well. Their I/O will be used in other enterprises as well. like in servers Direct-storage is an API that gives access to the hardware. If NVIDIA could have worked with Sony to create and share fixed function I/O in their RTX line up, they would have instead of using tensor cores.
Sinthor
Gold Member
Oh absolutely! Unless they do a sudden drop of an announcement tomorrow (Friday) the way this thread is going we will EASILY hit 3100 before they legitimately make the big price and pre-order announcements. I think it's been averaging 15-20 pages a day except for weekends so...let's call it 10. Then by Thursday/Friday of next week we would hit 3100 easy. We will see but at this point I think it's VERY likely.
AeneaGames
Member
MS their R&D department has, yes, other departments not so much sadly.
If you see what their R&D people have done and/or are working on it's darn impressive, the tech is rarely used in an actual product tho.
Metroiddarks
Member
That is virtual texture, the games AAA already use it since a couple of years ago even UE have that feature introduced few months
ago before even NVIDIA introduce the same with the name of Texel Space Shading.
The difference is now Xbox and NVIDIA (probably any RDNA 2) use hardware to do it but you cannot run it for all the textures.
Guys be careful with this kind of demonstrations, because usually the people think is unique for that system or game I will give two examples:
Horizon Zero Dawn shows in a nice way its culling solution running in real time, many people think only they use it....
Microsoft with the Tiled Resources, the fanboys use this as the secret weapon for Xbox one, we know the results.
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bitbydeath
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Saw that but didn’t understand why that would be the case. Spider-Man was reduced from 15 seconds to 0.8 of a second on a low speed device long before hardware such as the IO would have even been finalised. Given it was fast travel and not having to refresh the entire memory it’s all guesswork but a 3GB replacement operating entirely out of RAW would make sense to obtain that sort of speed. (Obligatory: could be completely wrong statement)
Empire Strikes Back
Member
Can you even matchmake in 2-5 seconds??
I’m expecting MP to have better load times on menus and other areas that don’t require matchmaking.
WhispersintheWind
Member
Isn’t that the COO COO? Guy?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
nah, im talking about map loading times. warzone only loads after matchmaking. it takes forever on ps4.
this jackfrag video i was watching was just loading a regular map and it must have taken over 30 seconds. this was after matchmaking.
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Three Jackdaws
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MISTER INVEIGLER
Member
There is a Series V nowWhat have i missed since the Series S's reveal? Spent all day trying to fix my internet.
DaGwaphics
Member
Always assume 19 pages of cat fights per 1 page of news.
bitbydeath
Member
Need to bring back lists. Click Join and 2 seconds later you're in the game.
Matchmaking is stupid.
Shmunter
Member
Thought I'd have a peek. Good news, the most requested feature is being implemented...all can be forgiven.
"Our tech team has an update on some new features: Introducing Profile Pronouns"
Sorry for the off topic, but monumental achievements need to be acknowledged.
BatSu
Member
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Nah, I trust armchair devs of GAF who said XSS is a bargain and great.
Empire Strikes Back
Member
Nvm, read it too fast.
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DaGwaphics
Member
You want real stable geniuses? The armchair is the place to find it.
...Steps back into glass house to return to chair.
thurnishaleygw
Member
The rest his comments :
Full thread :
This tweet of his :
I don't get the strategy thinking that being ultra price aggressive will deeply cut into the Sony/Nintendo's marketshare without next-gen 1st party exclusives
Goddamn...
WhispersintheWind
Member
I believe we will hear PS5 price and dates for preorders before the end of 2020....maybe...
In all seriousness heard something and I can’t even classify it as a rumor more of some opinions from some devs. They seem to believe Sony going to announce something before September 22nd 2020. They believe Sony doesn’t have to rush to counter Xbox Announcements. But will do it to undermine some Xbox Hype and to show they are still the bigger brand with PS. So they believe by September 21st 2020 all will be revealed.
I believe if PS5 is as high in price as I have heard...I wouldn’t be surprised if not till around beginning week of October for Sony to announce.
So in other news Soony
/S
In all seriousness heard something and I can’t even classify it as a rumor more of some opinions from some devs. They seem to believe Sony going to announce something before September 22nd 2020. They believe Sony doesn’t have to rush to counter Xbox Announcements. But will do it to undermine some Xbox Hype and to show they are still the bigger brand with PS. So they believe by September 21st 2020 all will be revealed.
I believe if PS5 is as high in price as I have heard...I wouldn’t be surprised if not till around beginning week of October for Sony to announce.
So in other news Soony
/S
SNPlayen
Member
Its now Xbox Series LGBTQI2s+Okay can someone tell me is there any truth to Xbox Series V
Sinthor
Gold Member
Well, I of course want things faster and snappier but the PS4 is really fast. I just logged onto my old PS3 before donating it to a family who will get some use from it. That was SO much slower. PS4 is just fine with how fast the UI and store is. I am very excited to potentially have 'instant on' and pretty much instant loading of games though. If that's accurate it will spoil us beyond all belief! Probably wreck our current computers and cellphones too with making them seem so SLOW by comparison.
LiquidRex
Member
It's just crazy if true... At this rate every letter of the alphabet will be covered
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Mr. PlayStation
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Man, that PoP remake...
Pop remake is an abomination on so many levels. What have they done to our beloved franchises. A few years ago a buddy of mine quit working at Ubisoft India because of piss poor management and said the team is extremely inexperienced and that Ubisoft India has been hiring either from non game dev background or those who are just freshers with zero experience and know jack shit about game development. Also heard the animation team in larger numbers quit working since they where anticipating the remake to get cancelled
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
The rest his comments :
Full thread :
This tweet of his :
I don't get the strategy thinking that being ultra price aggressive will deeply cut into the Sony/Nintendo's marketshare without next-gen 1st party exclusives
Do you think the price is higer than xbox?
Kaiserstark
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Great invistigation ! If you want PM me your twitter account and i would follow you between Polish friends
WhispersintheWind
Member
Old rumor was $499 PS5 DE and $599 PS5. Then I been hearing $449 PS5 DE and $549 PS5. Been told be cause of cooling, controller and The SSD tech and I/O drove PS5 cost up. All rumors and second, third and 4th hand info..
LiquidRex
Member
MGS
If the PS5 costs less than the Xbox Series X I'd be very surprised... The architecture in the PS5 is the most advanced of both consoles... It has RDNA 3 feature sets... It will be revealed soon... PS5 will show once and for all how Tflop numbers don't matter as much as once believed
xacto
Member
CrysisFreak
Banned
The rest his comments :
Full thread :
This tweet of his :
I don't get the strategy thinking that being ultra price aggressive will deeply cut into the Sony/Nintendo's marketshare without next-gen 1st party exclusives
I still think this would not be a big problem if devs just said "fuck it we'll downgrade all of it just make it run on that little thing let's focus on the real consoles"
Not sure if they will
xacto
Member
What have i missed since the Series S's reveal? Spent all day trying to fix my internet.
Xbox Series S is the best console ever, no need for the PS5. Since they're dirt cheap, buy one for each room you own. Gamepass forever.
Profit.
Pretty much, that's all you missed.
FranXico
Member
I'm sure he'll post a 30 tweets thread about how it's so innovative, a game changer and the best thing to ever happen to gaming. He'll also start by reminding readers how he hates console warring and insert a couple of digs at PS5 in a tweet while he's at it.
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