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Mr. PlayStation
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Only time will tell, the thing is I’m sure many of us in our social circle we have people blindly believing the fud and thinking ps5 is a weaker box when no visual evidence in games have proved that point yet.
LucidFlux
Member
On it's own the color scheme of the "S" is actually growing on me, although I would have preferred a more subdued approach with subtle black accents rather than the whole grill thing they got going on.
I think you're right in that they wanted to maintain consistency in their S and X lines so they kept them white and black respectively. The problem I have is that they felt the need to add Series to the branding. It just feels unnecessary, of course it's a "series" they're both Xboxes of the same generation. But by adding the word series you come to expect, or at least I do, congruent products but they couldn't look more different.
Expectations subverted I suppose.
kyliethicc
Member
don't post this fake shit in here.
Setsuna Mudou
Member
And the 7nm node has unbelievably high yields, hence the rumored "Nvidia killer" and the lower prices Nvidia all of a suddent decided to throw out at Ampere.
The consoles are in production for months now, yields don't all of a sudden drop , they normally improve over time as the process matures.
That's the power of propaganda my friend
How's the saying... you can fool all people for some time or some people all the time. You can't fool all people all the time though
Mr. PlayStation
Member
People never learn, also that damn link doesn’t even mention a word about the base stand which is included in all ps5s
ArcaneNLSC
Member
Just got this email which is surprising as there haven't been any for the recent Xbox events
geordiemp
Member
TSMC start 30,000 7 nm wafers a week, so lets say for simplicity its 100 big die. In 1 week they know the full normal distribution of 300,000 die to 99.97 % confidence.
There will be no surprises in parametric yields of ps5 silicon, they will know after the firts week as 300,000 is enough to go on.
It is not possible that the yeild drops without a material or a tool issue, it will be a known issue already, thats a fab issue not a Sony one and applies to every customer as TSMC fab is full capacity..
kyliethicc
Member
Hey guys I just heard some more bad news.... so during production and assembly, one of the PS5 wifi antennas wasn't working properly, so in order to account for that one faulty part on one PS5, Sony had to cut the PS5 GPU down to 3.9 TFs and downclock. Big Jimmy Sony fucked up big time guys.
So now it looks like Series S is more powerful. Why did Sony take this approach? Because of how scared they are of having another giant hardware fuck up like the Xbox 360... wait... that was Microsoft..
Nevermind.
So now it looks like Series S is more powerful. Why did Sony take this approach? Because of how scared they are of having another giant hardware fuck up like the Xbox 360... wait... that was Microsoft..
Nevermind.
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Mr. PlayStation
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And the 7nm node has unbelievably high yields, hence the rumored "Nvidia killer" and the lower prices Nvidia all of a suddent decided to throw out at Ampere.
The consoles are in production for months now, yields don't all of a sudden drop , they normally improve over time as the process matures.
That's the power of propaganda my friend
How's the saying... you can fool all people for some time or some people all the time. You can't fool all people all the time though
Wraith Phantom
Member
Waiting patiently for tomorrow. I predict shitstorms.
I think the visuals will get upgraded. Looks like a custom unreal engine. I still think unreal engine is meh. This would look great in decima.
But Im guessing this will get updated visuals. And a nice showcase. Housemarque probably have best particle effects out there even better than suckerpunch.
Going to be enjoyable whatever happens.
yewles1
Member
Am I REALLY supposed to believe a yield problem going on at TSMC? 'THIS' TSMC?
https://www.pcgamer.com/tsmc-celebrates-a-colossal-milestone-one-billion-7nm-chips/
This is ridiculous, IMO.
https://www.pcgamer.com/tsmc-celebrates-a-colossal-milestone-one-billion-7nm-chips/
This is ridiculous, IMO.
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FranXico
Member
FTFY
ethomaz
Banned
Let people believe in their nonsense that clock speeds affect yields.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Just to add to this: https://hardforum.com/threads/tsmc-actual-7nm-defect-rate-and-therefore-yield-revealed.1989911/
0.09 at start of N7 = ~80% yields for Navi 10 at the start of production 15+ months ago or ~94% yields for the small 74mm mm^2 Zen 2 chiplets.
I would agree 50% yield is likely:
Let's see if we hear more about bad yields after tomorrow.
bhunachicken
Member
I'm super confused right now.
Sony are doing that event tomorrow (16th) at 8pm UTC*, but there's also events happening on 17th (Thursday), about some PS5 showcase from retailers, and then Sony have a secret panel at PAX on 18th (Friday)?
So, the price will be announced ... sometime before Saturday? Maybe? :|
(* - yes, I did just get that anal about the time, even with me being in England and it being BST right now)
Sony are doing that event tomorrow (16th) at 8pm UTC*, but there's also events happening on 17th (Thursday), about some PS5 showcase from retailers, and then Sony have a secret panel at PAX on 18th (Friday)?
So, the price will be announced ... sometime before Saturday? Maybe? :|
(* - yes, I did just get that anal about the time, even with me being in England and it being BST right now)
Setsuna Mudou
Member
Exactly, this is the biggest load of bullshit fud i've actually seen here, it blows my mindJust to add to this: https://hardforum.com/threads/tsmc-actual-7nm-defect-rate-and-therefore-yield-revealed.1989911/
0.09 at start of N7 = ~80% yields for Navi 10 at the start of production 15+ months ago or ~94% yields for the small 74mm mm^2 Zen 2 chiplets.
I would agree 50% yield is likely:
Let's see if we hear more about bad yields after tomorrow.
It would be way more likely they are expecting distribution issues and then lower the production as a consequence... anything else, but not yields
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Forget time zones and rest assured in ~31 hours you'll get price/release date!
Data Ghost
Member
Haha exactly...
'wired mono headset'
...for that brand new 3D audio I would imagine? lol
Mr. PlayStation
Member
What part of all of this was tough to understand? Yet I keep seeing people saying shit Sony isn’t doing A good job even with their own current console ps4 BC on PS5, fml
TherapistGaymer
Banned
I go to the courthouse Wednesday for the marriage license and get married on Friday during pre orders. I completely get it!
Thirty7ven
Banned
One last batch of bad rumors before the event. Once price is revealed and pre orders go live, the fud gates are closed.
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WelshBluebird
Member
There is just one event this week - the 16th at 9pm BST. The email above mentioning an event Thursday is just due to timezones. 9pm BST on the 16th is actually on the 17th in Aus / NZ local time.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Imagine not even being bold enough to quote the person you are insulting.
God forbid someone say they want to see more gameplay, of games. And imagine getting insulted on a gaming forum for wanting to see gameplay lol
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AeneaGames
Member
And that is an image of what exactly? Those look like the little balls the PS5 reveal used but have no clue what we are supposed to be seeing here.
Please elaborate
My launch PS3 is still working. Try harder.
lepermessiah
Member
Spence dog's asshole gets the red ring of death every night mmm
Neo Blaster
Member
The way MS is pushing Gamepass and Xcloud, I'm not shocked at all. And let's not forget the really low priced DIGITAL console.Just got this email which is surprising as there haven't been any for the recent Xbox events
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DaGwaphics
Member
It's not, there will never be any 2TB PS5s. The math just doesn't work for 12 channels.
sircaw
Banned
My lord, .. with all the FUD and other things that happen when Sony is going to have some kind of announcement, or after one, it feels like I'm watching this:
God its been years since i saw Spy vs Spy, legend stuff
ethomaz
Banned
There is no 2TB drive with 13 lanes.
It is either 1.65TB or 2.5TB.
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Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Don't worry, I have plenty of .. you must be at least this old to get this reference kind of stuff.
sircaw
Banned
Don't worry, I have plenty of .. you must be at least this old to get this reference kind of stuff.
I grew up on Alfred e neuman.
ArcaneNLSC
Member
Please quote the part of the article that says current yields are 50% or that they only just found this out.
Oh right... you can't because you're talking shit and stirring it around.
No where does it say it is a current issue. No where does it say they only just found this out. All you can infer from the article is that at some stage, not the current stage, yields were 50%. You cannot determine by how much they have improved. You cannot determine how this compares to others.
Neo Blaster
Member
I've known Spy vs Spy from M.A.D. magazine, did they appear elsewhere?Don't worry, I have plenty of .. you must be at least this old to get this reference kind of stuff.
Tripolygon
Banned
Of course not. Lol
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
I grew up on Alfred e neuman.
Three words. Mad Fold-In. Too bad there's not a Playstation or XBOX one. I couldn't find any.
Do you remember....
The best PS5 games - new, pre-order & upcoming | PlayStation
Discover the best games to play on PS5 and VR2, including our newest exclusives and exciting indies, out now or available for pre-order.
www.playstation.com
Pepperidge Farm remembers
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Nope.. well.. it's from MAD Magazine, even if they appeared elsewhere like a commercial or something.
Zoro7
Banned
Lol are you insinuating that I’m scared of a randomer on a gaming forum?
Nothing wrong with wanting more gameplay at all. But you only seem to bring it up about Sony. A company who had showed the most next gen gameplay.
Also it’s very clear the digs you made in your first message.
Also we better stop before you lose your shit and start going mental like usual.
Shio
Member
did you mean 2.5TB?, 2.5GB would not be very useful
THE:MILKMAN
Member
So what you are saying then is it is a pure FUD article timed for maximum disruption that has zero bearing on the situation today? Not sure that is a good look....
same
Same here, I have one of those rare 60GB PS3s, the one with a damn PS2 inside and the flap in the front with all the ports. It works like a dream. Well, BD drive died last year but the rest is good! xD
ethomaz
Banned
Yeap 2.5TBdid you mean 2.5TB?, 2.5GB would not be very useful
sircaw
Banned
Three words. Mad Fold-In. Too bad there's not a Playstation or XBOX one. I couldn't find any.
Do you remember....
The best PS5 games - new, pre-order & upcoming | PlayStation
Discover the best games to play on PS5 and VR2, including our newest exclusives and exciting indies, out now or available for pre-order.
Pepperidge Farm remembers
Yer those foldings were a work of art, i used to look so forward to them, i think i was like 10 or something i begged my Father at the time to buy my a subscription to Mad mag, he bought me a 6 month one, it used to arrive in the post all rolled up. The first thing i used to do was check out the fold in, damn those were the good old days.
As for the game, i sadly never got to play it, lol but looks super fun.
Mad magazine was my penthouse or playboy of the times.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
What games does MS even have coming that I'd want to see gameplay of? lol
You see me say it more about Sony games.. because.. get this.. I am interested in them. Also.. get this.. they have a presentation tomorrow.. so.. get this.. I was saying what I want out of the presentation.
MS has barely anything, and won't for years.. and I've consistently brought up that it's concerning they haven't even shown 3rd parties running on their hardware.
Just stop commenting about me? How many posts have you made the last couple of days where the only point was to insult me? Talk about get a life.
Tired of the endless bullshit here.. if you aren't swallowing Sony's pillowy loads constantly it's endless fanboy accusations.. Sony has barely shown SHIT.. as someone buying PS5 I want to see more.. these statements have nothing to do with Xbox or the sad little console war that goes on in some of your brains.
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DaGwaphics
Member
Have you ever researched the basic chip binning process? Clocks definitely play a roll.
Take Intels processors as an example, a small percentage of the best chips can hit clocks high-enough to be packaged as K series parts (with other limits like heat spread and power draw figured in). Let's say you commissioned a chip for a custom product on this same process and your design required k series clock speeds, you now have much lower yields than Intel because they can bin down and you have no room to do that with your custom chip. There is always that point where you could push clocks to an extreme degree and get 10 chips to a wafer that worked. No one would design a chip like that, but that doesn't equate to clock speed having no role.
Obviously all types of defectives play into the binning as well. Intel doesn't manufacture 20 different chips from the same fabrication process for nothing.
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