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Jim Ryan: PS4 will continue to be incredibly important to us for three or four years more
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Kagey K
Banned
Interesting.... so now 1st or 3rd party doesn’t matter.
Keep those goal posts moving.
GymWolf
Gold Member
Imagine putting ff16 as an highlight after ff15...what are you 12? Quite sad mate... Latching onto this as enjoying supposedly horrible news when you were cheering them as the best news ever just days before when they were painted green shows how much partisan this is for you...
Njce try to divert attention to the console pricing (which you did not expect), FF XVI (which you did not expect), complete PS4 BC (which you wished them to fuck up), and their first party titles not looking like you are trying to paint them as now (Look look PS4 titles upressed), pre-orders opening up before XSX/XSS, launch units in greater number than PS4 (still dancing on 50% or less yields rumours eh?).
It's like getting happy for brute force 2 exclusive on sex...
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Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Because in Naoki Yoshida we trust and Shadowbringers is peak FF
People are right to be hyped
Shmunter
Member
If the game is running on calculator CPU’s then next gen cpu ain’t doing dick.
Now, of course if the game is significantly different enough. E.g physics, world density and simulation, maybe I will alter my stance. But the likelihood for a cross gen development to be distinct in any meaningful way is low.
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GymWolf
Gold Member
I didn't played shadowbringers so for now i'm gonna trust my feeling towards modern square, but like i said to another member, i hope you are right.
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Explosive Zombie
Banned
I think you guys just think goal post moving applies to anything ever. It's not my goalpost, I don't care how long SONY supported PS3 for, it doesn't matter to me. First or third party DOESN'T matter on a console past its expiration while a new generation is going. I took umbrage with the idea that no games were released years after but apparently he needed them to be first party... because of course he did. What was the original point? That HFW is the furthest SONY has supported a prior gen into a new one? What is the point of that argument? I'm not sure your strategy of "gotcha's" to posts unrelated to posts where I was actually speaking to you mean much, there's so much context and nuance being ignored to claim I think there's no difference between 1st and third party. Technically, though, in my view an exclusive is an exclusive, first or third, I think people take more umbrage with third because it normally means some sort of money hat, but I can't imagine team Green having a problem with that while Microsoft buys entire studios.
Saaleh
Banned
This is not an evidence that the PS5 exclusives will be cross gen for 4 years. Anyone using this is just annoying.
DonJuanSchlong
Banned
Any evidence that it is not going to be 4 years of cross gen compatibility?
Explosive Zombie
Banned
Apparently it's not something SONY does as has been argued vehemently by
MrFunSocks
, no first party games on PS3 that were cross-gen more than a few months out from release. Maybe that means HFW comes out around Christmas??!!!
DonJuanSchlong
Banned
Yeah but Sony also has been releasing it's games on other hardware, done things differently for this console reveal, etc. Times change, people change.Apparently it's not something SONY does as has been argued vehemently by
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EDMIX
Member
Likely. Thats what we saw them do for the past Playstations.
I'm simply hoping they go into detail about that them sweet, sweet PSN Plus freebies!!!!!
E Explosive Zombie " no first party games on PS3 that were cross-gen more than a few months out from release. Maybe that means HFW comes out around Christmas??!!!" I think its still a 2021 title, It think its very likely that HZD was simply just in deep develpment on PS4 by the time they got dev kits.
I originally thought it was going to be on PS4 too lol As when it came out in 2017, it would make sense to just guess fall 2020 or 2021 etc on PS4 considering how long its been. So I think they did it cause the system's both using similar tech and the games were already in development. Consider The last Of Us 1 released on PS4 after a year it was out on PS3, because the cell was so hard to develop for, maybe them even having it on both at once was just too taxing on the team and they felt a remaster later made more sense.
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Saaleh
Banned
I'm not even claiming that ''PS5 not going to be 4 years of cross gen compatibility ''
So why would i need an evidence, i'm not the one claiming things. I'm just saying, jim statement can't be used as evidence for both claims.
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Explosive Zombie
Banned
I just don't see it. My assumption is the games getting cross-gen treatment were originally meant to be PS4 games and that's why we have games like Demon's Souls which aren't cross-gen, they were probably made for PS5. Just my assumption, might also depend on the developers, maybe Insomniac and Guerilla can handle two versions but Bluepoint can't? Or it's down to game design, since R&C isn't cross-gen.
DrumNBassDanTTV
Member
No they wont say that BUt they did say "next generation means next generation" which evidently was BS........
Klayzer
Member
Its a coping mechanism, they realize their favorite plastic box is going to be curbed stomped yet again. This is their only way to reliev that pent up frustration/anger. While everyone else is hitting refresh for pre orders, X-men are here doing their typical hypocritical toxic posting. Proving once again, having the most toxic fanbase title is well deserved.
PatientGamer
Member
Sony have always supported their consoles for 10+ years. I don't see the problem with exclusive content being on PS4/PS5.
They'll sell more software, and more hardware. It's clear they're trying to hit that 150M PS2 record. I don't think they'll get there, but this is a good strategy to adopt.
They'll sell more software, and more hardware. It's clear they're trying to hit that 150M PS2 record. I don't think they'll get there, but this is a good strategy to adopt.
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Explosive Zombie
Banned
NOOOO KING, IF IT'S NOT SUPPORTED WITH FIRST PARTY IT'S NOT SUPPORTED... HOW DARE YOU!!!
Saaleh
Banned
Just to help clear things here..
Yes it was BS, i'm disappointed and there will be consequences(severity will depend on how long sony support cross gen exclusives), but doesn't mean that jim statement in this article is relevant to this BS you are referring to. This BS could last 1 week or 1 month or 1 year or 7 years, we will see.
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SaucyJack
Member
Exactly. Ryan's statement is neither controversial or surprising.
PS4 will continue to be important =/= games will be cross-gen. This is absolutely the same as prior gens where old consoles still sold for 3 or 4 years and were supported by 3rd party devs.
We've got 3 first party games, out of 10 announced, that are going to be cross-gen. Neither Spider-Man nor Sackboy is that surprising but I am a bit pissed off that Horizon 2 will be held back by current gen though.
DunDunDunpachi
Banned
We shall see. The smartest move they could make would be to let PS4 slowly exit the market, sitting at a $200-250 pricepoint for awhile.
I'm not worried about AAA. I'm worried that Sony will shuffle all the indies and studios to the PS5, robbing the PS4 of a well-deserved twilight era of smaller, niche titles to pad out the library.
I'm not worried about AAA. I'm worried that Sony will shuffle all the indies and studios to the PS5, robbing the PS4 of a well-deserved twilight era of smaller, niche titles to pad out the library.
Stuart360
Member
Is this meant to be satire?
DrumNBassDanTTV
Member
Kokoloko85
Member
I dont like the move, preordered regardless.
I hope God of War 2 is not cross gen....
I hope God of War 2 is not cross gen....
Bladed Thesis
Member
I'm buying a PS5 as my main console, just like my PS4 Pro is my main console.
Njce try to divert attention to the console pricing (which you did not expect), FF XVI (which you did not expect), complete PS4 BC (which you wished them to fuck up), and their first party titles not looking like you are trying to paint them as now (Look look PS4 titles upressed), pre-orders opening up before XSX/XSS, launch units in greater number than PS4 (still dancing on 50% or less yields rumours eh
I'm just not a console warrior who was able to criticism issues I saw back then.
Calm down, warrior. Sony won't send you free stuff for NeoGaf defenses.
DonJuanSchlong
Banned
Out of curiosity, it seems that your tone changed about generations and what the definition of a "true console" is.
Would you like to reiterate what you said here? Would ps5 be a true console after yesterday's news? Or did you say that since it was a convenient jab to the Xbox crowd, without realizing it would backfire?
Bernd Lauert
Banned
It's a bad day for crows, that's for sure.
DonJuanSchlong
Banned
I don't think any left to eat honestly. Population went down significantly since yesterday, to the point that they are on the verge of extinction.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Cross genning games that were previously promoted as PS5 only games does not compute with a giant transition.
Article from late last year.
www.gamespot.com
"These are gamers who are networked and sticky and engaged and passionate about PlayStation to an extent that we've not seen in previous generations," he said. "As we move towards the next-generation in 2020, one of our tasks--probably our main task--is to take that community and transition it from PlayStation 4 to PlayStation 5, and at a scale and pace that we've never delivered on before."
Article from late last year.
Sony Wants A Faster Shift From PS4 To PS5 Than In Previous Generations
The PS4 has been a huge success, but Sony wants to make sure that players are quick to migrate to the PS5 when it launches.
www.gamespot.com
"These are gamers who are networked and sticky and engaged and passionate about PlayStation to an extent that we've not seen in previous generations," he said. "As we move towards the next-generation in 2020, one of our tasks--probably our main task--is to take that community and transition it from PlayStation 4 to PlayStation 5, and at a scale and pace that we've never delivered on before."
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meech
Member
Demon Souls looks like a decent Ps4 game,absolutely nothing nothing next gen here. In fact, the vegetation looks far worse than in Last of Us 2.
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Stuart360
Member
i think Demon's Souls looks good, but not as good as i was expecting after seeing what Bluepoint did on PS4. It is 60fps though which is a huge bonus.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Bladed Thesis
Member
Nah, Demon Souls is the best looking next gen game we've seen to date. The movement, atmosphere, lighting. All of it is just stunning.
Stuart360
Member
I think it looks good, real good, dont get me wrong. I'm just saying after seeing Shadow of Colossus on PS4, i thought Demon's Souls would look even better than it does, if you get me.
I'd take 60fps over better graphics anyway.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Absolutely. They've been coy and cynical about the crossgen stuff, who knows what have they been deceitful about.
Looking back, it feels weird to say it, but Microsoft has been the most professional and honest about it. Just this week I was trashing Greenberg, fuck it turns out he was the good guy all along.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Be honest, it's a little janky.
RaySoft
Member
All next-gen console releases has been the same. It's not like previous gen suddenly just dies off once the new-gen arrives.
I don't think you got what I meant by my earlier statement you quoted.
Sony are still in the generation mind-set, as they've always been, but the transition has always been a "soft" one.
All the games that are cross-gen now started deveopment on the PS4. (yes, even H:FW)
Seing that the next GOW is releasing in 2021, it's more than likely this game also started it's life on PS4, so could also be a x-gen title.
Eventually the games will be exclusive to the PS5 though.
MS is more a platform, where they could upgrade the hardware whenever they like, more in the vein of a PC.
There is a difference, it's more like GAF sometimes love to jump the gun prematurely with their pointy fingers.
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sainraja
Member
You're denying it but they were. They never mentioned the timeline. People were actually thinking all games released on Xbox would be cross-gen which is ALSO why they got criticized for it, if it was clear that it was going to be like any generation before, believe me, nobody would've said a thing to Microsoft; it's just a little funny, that the very thing you are denying, is what you are using now as ammo to try to reverse the scenario, lol. It is easy to forget....and probably convenient for you to forget that bit since it doesn't help the scenario you are trying to paint. Before their August or July event, any time they spoke in public, they spoke of being device agnostic. After the event happened, people on here (and you are welcome to search threads here around that time) started questioning Microsoft on that. If I am mistaken, can you point me to an article or statement when they first stated 2 years?
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DonJuanSchlong
Banned
Microsoft started they would support current gen consoles for HALF the amount of time as Sony. 2 years vs 4 years. And all the Sony fans would post Craig memes and talk all the shit to the Xbox and PC fans about how games will be held back. You're guilty of it yourself.
Do you still feel this way after yesterday, now that we've all had time to process things? These are 2 different quotes, and it's hard to imagine you don't mean anything negative by it.
Gamerguy84
Member
I wouldnt ignore 100 plus million install base either.
GymWolf
Gold Member
The movements? Animation are stiff as fuck and the hits lacks any weight both from enemies and character.
It's the worse aspect of the trailer by far imo.
Also i love this history revisionism...all big sony exclusive on ps4 in the first 2 years were only for ps4, knack, inf3, killzone sf, the shitter, bloodborne and all the others, this is the first time in a decade that they port their flagship titles on the old console, i don't know why people say otherwise...bending reality time folks.
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manfestival
Member
3 to 4 years seems like too long. 1 to 2 years seems long enough to allow the last of the cycle to end and have given enough time for devs to move forward.
VulcanRaven
Member
Of course some games will be released on both PS4 and PS5 but not all. I never expected every game to be PS5 exclusive.
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Stilton Disco
Member
If you're only talking first party, which I wasn't myself, then I can only do two, but that's moving the goal posts for what I was talking about with supporting, and what has been pointed to as a reason Sony tend to go very strongly across generations for decades now.
Those two 1st/2nd party exclusives were Resogun and Little Big Planet 3, however it would be dumb to dismmis the importance and good customer care of third party grossgen exclusives like Persona 5, most notably.
If you really are just talking Sony's own exclusives, then regardless of how many come out after, they're still easily the best of the big three in supporting their current system leading up to the new ones release, see TLOU2 and GoT this year, or TLOU and GT6 last gen, for instance.
Once the new system is out, a couple of crossgen titles come from them directly, while deals are made for grossgen and even fully last gen exclusives on top of that.
This idea that MS are breakigentirely new ground with their gross gen approach is all marketing spin, whereas they're just doing an extreme version of what has always occurred, that they'd previously been rather poor at, taking it to such an extreme as to be potentially detrimental to their new systems, assuming they don't walk it back when push comes to shove.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
Most reasonable people didn't.
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