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[DeafTourette]

To answer the question... I just listen and if it gets heated I diffuse. I agree with some but when it gets to extreme stuff, I just diffuse and turn the conversation elsewhere.

The thing that hurts discourse between people with differing opinions is that no one listens to understand. They just hear to respond... On both sides! Or all 4 or 5 sides!

I listen and try to understand. I see what we agree on and take that to build on it. Doesn't always work because some people can't be talked with. They don't want to listen back. And that's ok. No need to argue or fight. These are people I love and I won't disown them because of difference.

 

[teezzy]

Somewhat unrelated, but I've noticed that the more and more I apply a more conservative or traditionalist logic to life - the easier it's become to take care of my shit and traverse through any obstacles which come my way. It's almost like these guidelines were carried out for generations and passed along as a form of basic life advice. Progress is something which I'm a fan of, and whole I used to think being more 'progressive' politically was a way of accomplishing that. Turns out that discipline and discomfort have done me a world more good. Really pulled my head out of my ass. I'd like to think I have the Gaf community here to partially thank for that.

 

[Athena~]

And how exactly are you going to prove that ?
But go on continue about ignoring my talking points on Obama and spreading lies about Trump.
Were you bringing up the cage thing when Obama was in office ?

An examination of the 2016 electorate, based on validated voters

One of the biggest challenges facing those who seek to understand U.S. elections is establishing an accurate portrait of the American electorate and the

www.pewresearch.org

“ Overall, whites with a four-year college degree or more education made up 30% of all validated voters. Among these voters, far more (55%) said they voted for Clinton than for Trump (38%). Among the much larger group of white voters who had not completed college (44% of all voters), Trump won by more than two-to-one (64% to 28%). “
I was too young and uneducated when Obama got into office. So dunno much about him. Besides, what he allegedly did doesn’t excuse the evil things Trump is doing. Doing less evil things does not make Trump not evil

The judge thing is bullshit. Every President would do that.

You think him getting COVID is part of trying to do the most damage possible?... to what end? You're not making any sense. His opinion on mask-wearing is a "common-sense" approach, which is fine. He just doesn't want people to completely shut-down their life in a panic because of the disease. It's not exactly a monstrous position.

So again, elaborate on how his administration is "trying to do as much damage as they can do now before they leave "?

Rushing to put a judge in and rushing to debate just to stay on the spotlight for the last month. Recklessly ignore standard and safety procedures during a pandemic just to flex the power one last time, unfitting to be president that’s why people are voting him out

Because of his selfish behaviors lots of people in the Trump Administration tested positive. He knows he can’t do this shit anymore after the election that’s why he’s rushing it for one final meltdown

Only leftists would would flood the discussion with heated politics, in a thread about leftists unnecessarily flooding discussions with heated politics.

The stunning lack of self-awareness.

The two people above are not leftists I don’t think. But yeah they should not derail the topic any further

 

[GardenOfAbbylon]

I'm surprised that this thread isn't in the political section after reading the discussion. I feel it belongs there. But I'm also new so things might work different here

 

[Astral Dog]

This is less woke and more overall toxic close family members, but i practice mindfulness and yoga(and of course, read gamming sites ) , it helps to remove a horrible weight from the mind and try to find peace with others ideas, help them feel better with themselves.

While sometimes i get the desire to confront and scream or whatever, mostly i keep to myself and try to change the subject or at least not listen. Can't say if its the best solution always but it helps a lot

 

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[DESTROYA]

An examination of the 2016 electorate, based on validated voters

One of the biggest challenges facing those who seek to understand U.S. elections is establishing an accurate portrait of the American electorate and the

www.pewresearch.org

“ Overall, whites with a four-year college degree or more education made up 30% of all validated voters. Among these voters, far more (55%) said they voted for Clinton than for Trump (38%). Among the much larger group of white voters who had not completed college (44% of all voters), Trump won by more than two-to-one (64% to 28%). “
I was too young and uneducated when Obama got into office. So dunno much about him. Besides, what he allegedly did doesn’t excuse the evil things Trump is doing. Doing less evil things does not make Trump not evil

Rushing to put a judge in and rushing to debate just to stay on the spotlight for the last month. Recklessly ignore standard and safety procedures during a pandemic just to flex the power one last time, unfitting to be president that’s why people are voting him out

Because of his selfish behaviors lots of people in the Trump Administration tested positive. He knows he can’t do this shit anymore after the election that’s why he’s rushing it for one final meltdown

The two people above are not leftists I don’t think. But yeah they should not derail the topic any further

That proves nothing, I know a lot of smart people that never went to college and total morons that did.
Being educated doesn’t necessarily mean you are smart in fact most college educators lean to the left and preach more than they teach.
Obama was president less than 4 years ago so you were too young and uneducated then...lol.
It’s not alleged but proven fact what Obama did and you continually hand waving it away but putting the spotlight of what Trump allegedly did shows you being disingenuous.

 

[Jtibh]

I just let one ripp every time i get annoyed by woke people.
This is how i show them i dont give a shit about their views.

They can fart back to show respect or they can shut the hell up.

But i never correct or edjucate them.

 

[teezzy]

That proves nothing, I know a lot of smart people that never went to college and total morons that did.
Being educated doesn’t necessarily mean you are smart in fact most college educators lean to the left and preach more than they teach.
Obama was president less than 4 years ago so you were too young and uneducated then...lol.
It’s not alleged but proven fact what Obama did and you continually hand waving it away but putting the spotlight of what Trump allegedly did shows you being disingenuous.

In 2016, Trump was clever enough to market himself heavily towards the working class. This is all that data proves. He placed the MAGA hat upon his head and claimed, "Look, I'm just like you!"

Out of pure ignorance, Clinton assumed she had the working class in her pocket. Maybe her biggest stumble. She even went as far as to call the people who Trump was reaching out to a "basket of deplorables" or whatever.

I voted Clinton, but I wouldn't say that the business minded individuals or working class voters Trump attracted were any less intelligent than her supporters. That's very toxic thinking.

Generally speaking, I agree that education and intelligence dont correlate the way we'd like to believe. I'm a community college guy who has people with 4 year degrees either with equal footing, or underneath me. Unlike them, I'm not drowning in college debt. Tell me who is more intelligent as a result. Curiosity and ambition matter so much more than a piece of paper afaik.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Somewhat unrelated, but I've noticed that the more and more I apply a more conservative or traditionalist logic to life - the easier it's become to take care of my shit and traverse through any obstacles which come my way. It's almost like these guidelines were carried out for generations and passed along as a form of basic life advice. Progress is something which I'm a fan of, and whole I used to think being more 'progressive' politically was a way of accomplishing that. Turns out that discipline and discomfort have done me a world more good. Really pulled my head out of my ass. I'd like to think I have the Gaf community here to partially thank for that.

Sounds right.

All a conservative is, is really someone who values working for your buck, not relying on handouts unless totally desperate, family values with a skew towards traditional stuff like religion. And the average righty is tougher on crime because they don't want crime and Seattle CHAD zones popping up in every city. They don't want their hard earned tax bucks funding a loser in jail.

And when confronted with issues, righties don't go yelling 24/7 on every street corner, mobbing, rioting and looting, or acting like righteous big shots doing Twitter shaming or doxxing.

Put it this way. There is a skew to right wing voters in smaller towns. According to surveys, republicans have less formal education and make a bit less money. Combine those two and wouldn't it make sense the average righty would the ones begging for handouts and free shit?

But it's the reverse. That's why Trump has always focused on jobs economy and trying to adjust tariffs. Give people opportunity to work at fair policies and most people like that. And that's why those small town folks want with their modest jobs and skills. You don't see Yee-Hawing Billy Bob picketing with a sign for free money off other people's backs. Billy Bob in a pick up truck would prefer to earn that money with a modest job.

It's a totally different viewpoint in life when it comes to work ethics and earning. Versus complaining and begging.

 

[teezzy]

Furthermore, how many of those 4 year degrees are actually in applicable fields? How smart is someone blowing that much money with no ROI guarantee?

 

[poodaddy]

I accept them and move on. I have far right leaning friends and far left leaning friends, and I try not to judge either. They simply see things differently, and that's fine, my main issue is trying to keep the two groups away from each other so that a pointless fight or debate doesn't break out, as absolutely no good will come out of it, no matter who wins. You can't change extremists' view points, you can merely tolerate them and hope they gain some perspective with time.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Yeah, just don’t participate. Steer the conversation elsewhere if you can.

 

[teezzy]

StreetsofBeige

I'd also rather have some church going sporty blonde calling me daddy these days than some goth with half her head shaved who can open a pbr can with her teeth

#trump2020

 

[lefty1117]

What's "TDS" ?

 

[and 3 others]

The Old Orangers need putting down!

 

[teezzy]

What's "TDS" ?

 

[brap]

StreetsofBeige

I'd also rather have some church going sporty blonde calling me daddy these days than some goth with half her head shaved who can open a pbr can with her teeth

#trump2020

Based. Women need to stop acting and looking like men.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

StreetsofBeige

I'd also rather have some church going sporty blonde calling me daddy these days than some goth with half her head shaved who can open a pbr can with her teeth

#trump2020

I'm not religious. So I don't go to a church except for weddings and funerals.

Looking back, I missed out.

Hot chick: Hi, how are ya? You new here?

Me: Yes. First time.

Hottie: I'm Christian

Me: Uhhhhh...... ya..... so am I

Hottie: Great. After this session is over, let's go to my place and fuck!

(One can only dream!)

 

[Compsiox]

None of mine are woke but just like when I'm out living my life it wouldn't become an issue for me unless they talk about woke shit constantly.

All people should know how to contain themselves.

 

[Psajdak]

Dunno, every time someone decides to go woke on my ass, I just smash some rock into their faces...

 

[teezzy]

I'm not religious. So I don't go to a church except for weddings and funerals.

Looking back, I missed out.

Hot chick: Hi, how are ya? You new here?

Me: Yes. First time.

Hottie: I'm Christian

Me: Uhhhhh...... ya..... so am I

Hottie: Great. After this session is over, let's go to my place and fuck!

(One can only dream!)

Lol, I'm not necessarily religious either but was raised super Catholic.

Your story reminded me though: When I was younger and in film school, I was working on this cornball rom-com script where an atheist (played by a Topher Grace type) really wants to bang a Protestant minster's daughter so he pretends he's religious. It was called "Leap of Faith"

I never finished it, but sometimes I wish I had. Corniest shit.

 

[GardenOfAbbylon]

Lol, I'm not necessarily religious either but was raised super Catholic.

Your story reminded me though: When I was younger and in film school, I was working on this cornball rom-com script where an atheist (played by a Topher Grace type) really wants to bang a Protestant minster's daughter so he pretends he's religious. It was called "Leap of Faith"

I never finished it, but sometimes I wish I had. Corniest shit.

Where you planning to have him wind up religious in the end? It feels like that's where Hollywood would go!

 

[Raven117]

Under most situations, its better to just duck and cover. It used to be one didint' discuss religion or politics. There was a reason for that. I would never dream of engaging someone politically at a dinner table.

Perhaps over coffee where you have the time to work through things, but otherwise. Its just a lecture or a fight.

Life is too short man. Talk about good stuff for the most part. You will be happier for it.

 

[teezzy]

Where you planning to have him wind up religious in the end? It feels like that's where Hollywood would go!

Right before the third act, they were going to catch him red handed and he confessed to duping the family along the entire time. Then right at the heat of conflict, what he perceived as a legit miracle happened (actually not a miracle) and yes, he actually becomes religious. That's what I remember at least. It was a decade ago now.

 

[IfuckinghateReddit]

Just watch hard core pornography on your phone whenever she's around you and she'll eventually avoid you completely.

 

[GardenOfAbbylon]

Right before the third act, they were going to catch him red handed and he confessed to duping the family along the entire time. Then right at the heat of conflict, what he perceived as a legit miracle happened (actually not a miracle) and yes, he actually becomes religious. That's what I remember at least. It was a decade ago now.

You should finish it. And send it to Topher Grace

I wanna read it too

 

[#Phonepunk#]

interestingly my immediate family all thing somewhat similar. however i have cousins that live in other states. one lives in Seattle and my mom tells me about her all-caps screeds against the white man she posts on Facebook.

i don't use Facebook (haven't logged in in several years now) so that's the main way i avoid it.

 

[BigBooper]

You can't argue with someone like that and come out ahead. They will not change their mind unless they are open to the possibility of being wrong, and she obviously isn't. I would tell your cousin to bail out though.

 

[teezzy]

You should finish it. And send it to Topher Grace

I wanna read it too

Lmao. It's probably even cringier too because his character was a sleazy degenerate kinda dude: gambling, cigarettes, pot smoker, strip clubs, etc - whatever my 19 year old brain thought was 'cool' at the time.

It's likely on this old external HDD I have. It was one you had to plug into an outlet to get running. I dont have the AC adapter for it, but I'm fairly certain it's sitting in my basement somewhere. I'm just gonna assume that it's for the better at this point. We're talking peak 2010 angsty 19 year old screenwriter here.

Could be fun to try and write again though. I haven't flexed that muscle in a long while.

 

[Cato]

Hey GAF. So at a recent family gathering I met my cousin's new fiancé. She seems nice and friendly at first glace. However, once dinner started and everyone was engaging in conversations, it quickly became obvious that she was super woke. Now, my family is generally pretty moderate and have no issues with liberals or conservatives, but she is basically a far-left, socialism is good, we need a revolution liberal. The rest of dinner turned into an awkward cringe-fest as she lectured us on how Trump is destroying public education and putting immigrant kids in cages.

So fellow Gaffers, how do you deal with people like that in your own circles? I'm close with my cousin so I don't want to just disassociate from them, but I'm also not sure how to even have a normal conversation with his fiancé without it derailing into some social justice lecture.

If she is so woke and obnoxious it is disruptive to the general health of the family gatherings, then
either learn to live with it or tell her to dial retard down a bit, that no one is interested in listening to her crazy shit and that she is
turning what should be a fun and friendly family gathering into a hostile and toxic cringe fest where everyone else feels uncomfortable.
Then just see how the chips fall.

She will either listen and change her behavior in the family gatherings or she will never come over for big family gatherings again.
Both options are a win for all of you.

 

[GardenOfAbbylon]

Could be fun to try and write again though. I haven't flexed that muscle in a long while.

Do it!

 

[Nehezir]

I'm just argumentative. I'll have a spitting match with anyone.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

It might not be the best approach, but I just stop talking to any "friends" that go woke. I don't need that kind of shit in my life.

Fuck that! This ain't RetardEra. Take the fight to them! Challenge their shitty ideas at every pass! No surrender!!

 

[KiNeMz]

Just ask questions. Eventually they contradict themselves. The left idealogy is hypocritical. Sometimes it just needs some guidance and for them to admit it themselves. You won't change them over night. It takes time. Majority of people have good intentions. The people that want to help people and the world have to go through stages. It takes time.

 

[YCoCg]

Agree to disagree and change the subject, if someone is too far either side then anything you say won't change their mind nor will they change yours, so why waste your time?

 

[DeceptiveAlarm]

When my uncle pisses me off I go punch a hole in my family's wall. What do I care i don't pay for it.

Spoiler

Isn't that what the cry baby on reeeee did?

 

[BertleTheTurtle]

 

[bronk]

A simple "Hey hey hey no annoying political talk." Usually shuts it down real quick.

 

[AmuroChan]

A simple "Hey hey hey no annoying political talk." Usually shuts it down real quick.

I might try that if I get to know her a little better in the future, but this was literally my first time meeting her. I also didn't want to embarrass my cousin, who's going to marry this girl in 8 months.

 

[diffusionx]

I consider "will talk some politics with you" to be a pretty high level of friendship actually. Despite what many millennials seem to believe, it's not appropriate small talk. So if somebody starts going full SJW I just have no interest in talking about it. Unlike SJWs, I can be friends with someone who disagrees with me politically... but I don't want to discuss it.

 

[Scotty W]

Your cousin is headed toward a divorce.

 

[Taxexemption]

I explain that I value freedom because it's beautiful. I would rather i make a bad decision and suffer the consequences and learn and grow than the government force me to make a good decision i don't understand, that with choice and freedom comes all the beauty and virtue in this world. If they have a specific issue they are spouting off and saying something stupid where I know some facts that can refute what they are saying I present them.



When the previous paragraph doesn't work I go full Alex Jones meltdown mode and turn everything into a conspiracy and tell them that 1776 will commence again when you try to take our firearms away. You probably won't be around for it cause you will have a heart attack from drinking too many of those chemicals that make the fricken frogs gay. Meanwhile I have a big burqy water filter and will live to see Neo-America after we win the fight against the globalists.

 

[Durask]

Good thing Trump is losing like 15 points in the polls so it shows that your cousin’s fiancé is in the majority. 29 days are not too long we can still make it and start the healing process then.

See, here is the creepy newspeak again.

"Healing" is ""get on your knees and grovel you bigot".

 

[nush]

Your cousin is headed toward a cuckoldry.

Corrected.

 

[Durask]

I don't have any woke friends or relatives thankfully.
I have a couple of friends that I never talked politics with and they never raised the subject with me so I have no idea what their political views are. I assume not ultra woke since then they would be spouting the teachings non-stop.

If I had any I would just cut them off.

 

[highrider]

My family is all woke liberals except my dad. I can generally get along with with differing opinions but if you try to really run liberal game on me I’ll just ignore you or clown you, even family lol.

 

[Blade2.0]

Agree with them on most issues.

 

[Madevil]

A woodchipper works quite well.

 

[teezzy]

One thing I've noticed is that if you press ultra woke people hard enough they have trouble backing things up without Googling crap on their phone. No, I'm not asking what others online think, I'm talking to you directly. People on the left wanna celebrate differences but are somehow afraid of their own individuality?