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Jim Ryan and the denigration of Playstation.

I’m not happy about Japan being out on the back burner either. REALLY not happy about it as a matter of fact, but didn’t Japanese gamers kind of turn on Sony first with their strong Nintendo and mobile support and with consoles losing popularity? Again, I don’t like the much weaker Japanese presence on PlayStation, but financially I guess I do understand why they are going in the direction they chose.

How is TLOU2 inferior to the first game? One thing liking the story or characters better, but I feel that the sequel improves in literally all categories. Unless you know, Joel’s.....

Also, animal cruelty?
 
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  1. It is way too early to know what kind of a leader Jim Ryan is going to be over this generation, it hasn't even been two years since he took the head role
  2. SIE has been on an amazing streak of almost nonstop good to great games since 2017, but we won't really start to see games that were developed from start to finish under Jim Ryan until late 2021 or sometime in 2022
  3. Console gaming in Japan is dying. PS3 sold way less than PS2, PS4 sold still less than PS3, and I have to imagine PS5 will sell less than PS4. It doesn't make sense to invest as much in Japan only type studios or games unless you are big in mobile gaming
In other words, give the man a break. Understand the reasons why Sony is focused on developers which make games for a global market. Last, but not least enjoy the excellent games that Sony is consistently putting out
 
I love Japanese games but the OP is horse shit. Japanese gamers are the ones that abandoned Sony and are sticking mostly to Nintendo and mobile. Japan has been becoming more and more irrelevant as the years go by due to their abandonment of the console market. Sony is a console manufacturer and is doing what any company would do in their place. The console market has drifted to the West, we are no longer in the 90s where Japan is the center of the world when it comes to console gaming.

OP needs to get a grip and realize the world is a lot different from where it was 20-30 years ago. Companies need to adapt to an ever changing world especially when it comes to the tech industry, you either adapt or you get left behind. Sony has read the Tea leaves and realized that Japan is no longer in love with gaming consoles like they used to be. Move on OP or switch to Nintendo (pun intended) because that old Sony you knew is never coming back.
 
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Jon Neu

Banned
at least he didnt create a "AAAA" studio only for them to revive a dead franchise from 20years ago..
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Hudo

Member
they're printing more money than ever

sadly they're doing that by being far away from my tastes.
yeah, same for me.

Sony are obviously doing something right because they sell consoles and make bank but personally, their first-party lineup is by far the worst of the "big three". Playstation for me is a third-party console and Sony just happens to make some nice looking games for it. But that's what people like, apparently.
 

longdi

Banned
My 2cents on the bleed out.

And as predicted, the first batch that left over the last month or so wasn't the end of it (based on what happened at SIJ yesterday).




SCE talents were leaving even before PS5 launch too! Around 2019 iirc, just when Jimbo was taken over the reigns.

It is a scary road ahead for Sony under Jimbo.

Focus is on single player blockbuster games with politico pandering, and now they are planning tons of movies/shows based off their franchises! Talk about emperors' new clothes :messenger_unamused:
 
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Ten_Fold

Member
Japan pretty much stopped at the ps3, the ps4 did OK, but they are more interested in handheld phone games or the switch. I don’t know if Sony will make AAA jrpg anymore if at all, possibly you might see a AA jrpg from them exclusively at some point to test. If you want Japanese games you gonna have to go play the switch.
 

Senhua

Member
As we know, Playstation has been a brand where it has had many games, especially original and unique games.

These times have unfortunately changed since this nefarious man named Jim Ryan arrived.

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This idiot is not interested in the Japanese market, nor its productions, he has completely destroyed such a wonderful studio as Japan Studio, he has turned Playstation games into Hollywood products, with a denigration in the sagas, productions that have put the SWJ , where wonderful games like The last of us, have been decayed in a sequel that is not up to the first game.

The decadent way in which he treats Japanese productions, not to say discriminatory, the fact of censoring Japanese games for nonsense, but respecting the rawness of animal cruelty in The last of us Part II, as well as its sexual scenes, this wants say the great denigration it has towards the free artistic style of Japanese productions.


This stupid Jim Ryan has made dire decisions, launching the ps5 console in times of pandemic where not only does it not have games that sell consoles, but there are also no Next-Gen productions, and the limited availability of consoles that exist.

Poor hardware quality on PS5 where there have been problems with yellow cases on some models or freezes.


Total repudiation of this person for his foolish decisions
To be fair Jim just inherited the throne. The real villain is Shawn as someone who replace House, he is the one who pioneered SCE to SIE restructured in 2016 which resulted all you mentioned above.
 

farmerboy

Member
As we know, Playstation has been a brand where it has had many games, especially original and unique games.

These times have unfortunately changed since this nefarious man named Jim Ryan arrived.

670615.jpg


This idiot is not interested in the Japanese market, nor its productions, he has completely destroyed such a wonderful studio as Japan Studio, he has turned Playstation games into Hollywood products, with a denigration in the sagas, productions that have put the SWJ , where wonderful games like The last of us, have been decayed in a sequel that is not up to the first game.

The decadent way in which he treats Japanese productions, not to say discriminatory, the fact of censoring Japanese games for nonsense, but respecting the rawness of animal cruelty in The last of us Part II, as well as its sexual scenes, this wants say the great denigration it has towards the free artistic style of Japanese productions.


This stupid Jim Ryan has made dire decisions, launching the ps5 console in times of pandemic where not only does it not have games that sell consoles, but there are also no Next-Gen productions, and the limited availability of consoles that exist.

Poor hardware quality on PS5 where there have been problems with yellow cases on some models or freezes.


Total repudiation of this person for his foolish decisions
 

Senhua

Member
Thank you Jim Ryan for this scene


Well that's one of reason why:
1. Days's gone is one of the lowest rated first party game in MC
2. No marketing at all from SIE
3. 2/3 main creative role leave Bend Studio after game's released
4. I strongly doubt there will be sequel for this
5. Well if you scratch the straw deeper enough until the bottom, you will always find the exception like this one
 
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ANIMAL1975

Member
Maybe the OP and everyone that agreed with him should make their research first before blaming him for random decision that happened before he was even there. Like Google it.

The brand is stronger than ever now so I think he's doing a good job.



Other ocean is AAAA? Never heard about them until now. What blockbuster they did?
Jon Neu was so amazed with the MediEvil remake that he thinks they AAAA
Posting all of that and not mentioning the best game they made this gen? shame.
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and they began the generation with the Bloodborne coproducción.
They also did gravity rush2 and Concrete Genie (both worthy of being in that list) and now coproduced Demons Souls.
PS3 was, in my opinion at least, a better gen in numbers and variety of exclusives, (in its all, not only Japan Studios) but ps4 wasn't only action/adventure AAAs... it had a lot of variety too and PS5 that it's just starting already gave us Sack Boy and Astro Bot, the DS remake, and has already announced GT7, Ratchet and God of War... Not bad.
 

Tschumi

Member
Alright, time to attract personal insults by a whose who of celebrity gaf posters once again.

I'm sorry but imo a stinking chunk of your post is a pile of bullshit. I'm so uninterested in all your fucking innuendo about "SJW" ruining games.. I'm sick of all the triggered opinions held by the hardasses and edgelords here.. duke nukem was a shitter, more offensive, more sexually obvious character than anyone in fucking TLOU2, to name just one.

If i have to choose between a world of wankers who think Duke is a god amongst men and TLOU2 is a catastrophe of minority rights getting a fair say, and a world where people just don't give a shit about perfectly fun IPs reflecting the growing slice of the public consciousness certain minorities are claiming, I'll choose the second world just so i wouldn't have to hear all this repetitive copy paste acronym laden bullshit coming from you thindicks.

You guys wanna be critical of Ryan? I AGREE WITH YOU, i do agree that a lot of games are increasingly Western - they're great fun, just not so culturally distinct anymore - and losing the creator of Soulsborne is really stupid.

But don't fucking drip your triggered intolerant ignorant snot in my Christmas pudding.

Peace out.
 
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Animagic

Banned
As we know, Playstation has been a brand where it has had many games, especially original and unique games.

These times have unfortunately changed since this nefarious man named Jim Ryan arrived.

670615.jpg


This idiot is not interested in the Japanese market, nor its productions, he has completely destroyed such a wonderful studio as Japan Studio, he has turned Playstation games into Hollywood products, with a denigration in the sagas, productions that have put the SWJ , where wonderful games like The last of us, have been decayed in a sequel that is not up to the first game.

The decadent way in which he treats Japanese productions, not to say discriminatory, the fact of censoring Japanese games for nonsense, but respecting the rawness of animal cruelty in The last of us Part II, as well as its sexual scenes, this wants say the great denigration it has towards the free artistic style of Japanese productions.


This stupid Jim Ryan has made dire decisions, launching the ps5 console in times of pandemic where not only does it not have games that sell consoles, but there are also no Next-Gen productions, and the limited availability of consoles that exist.

Poor hardware quality on PS5 where there have been problems with yellow cases on some models or freezes.


Total repudiation of this person for his foolish decisions
This thread will be great to come back to in a couple years
 

Jada

Banned
I don't he's to blame fully at some of the fuck shit Sony has been doing but he for damn for isn't doing a "fine" job lol.
The PS5 just enjoyed the most successful launch in history, after the market leading success of the PS4, a system that has sold over 100 million units and is home to multiple exclusives that are critical and commercial blockbusters.

Seems fine to me.
 

Valkyria

Banned
This forum is sure full of nutcases. Imaging using SJW not as hyperbole.
To OP and the other guys like him, your are 15 years late to the party. Japan shifted long ago, if anything Ps4 generation was way better for Japanese games than PS3, but I guess that you are in your late teens, taking into account your examples of good Japanese games released on PS3 and Vita. Most were not really good and many launches almost at the end of life of both consoles. You should have been there on 2007, no first or third party Japanese games at all. Do you guys remember Square’s “HD towns are hard”?
 

Clear

CliffyB's Cock Holster
Well that's one of reason why:
1. Days's gone is one of the lowest rated first party game in MC
2. No marketing at all from SIE
3. 2/3 main creative role leave Bend Studio after game's released
4. I strongly doubt there will be sequel for this
5. Well if you scratch the straw deeper enough until the bottom, you will always find the exception like this one

Its a good scene! And the "ride me as much as you ride your bike" line is actually a rather cute little moment of intimacy as it follows up a scene where she jokes about never having a biker wedding with ridiculous macho vows in it like that!

But hey, who needs context when you can just reeeeeeeeee about stuff!
 

jm89

Member
His not that bad. But if he doesn't make sonys lineup a bit more diverse, i can see this doing some damage to playstation in the long run.

He needs to fund more japanese games and give sony japan studio a massive push with funding. This is not to revive japans interest in ps5, but more to quench the thirst of the western audience for more japanese games.

Also push for wrpgs would be great, they defintley have the talent to push into wrpg territory.
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
As we know, Playstation has been a brand where it has had many games, especially original and unique games.

These times have unfortunately changed since this nefarious man named Jim Ryan arrived.

670615.jpg


This idiot is not interested in the Japanese market, nor its productions, he has completely destroyed such a wonderful studio as Japan Studio, he has turned Playstation games into Hollywood products, with a denigration in the sagas, productions that have put the SWJ , where wonderful games like The last of us, have been decayed in a sequel that is not up to the first game.

The decadent way in which he treats Japanese productions, not to say discriminatory, the fact of censoring Japanese games for nonsense, but respecting the rawness of animal cruelty in The last of us Part II, as well as its sexual scenes, this wants say the great denigration it has towards the free artistic style of Japanese productions.


This stupid Jim Ryan has made dire decisions, launching the ps5 console in times of pandemic where not only does it not have games that sell consoles, but there are also no Next-Gen productions, and the limited availability of consoles that exist.

Poor hardware quality on PS5 where there have been problems with yellow cases on some models or freezes.


Total repudiation of this person for his foolish decisions

Someone drank too much corrected eggnog ;).
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
  1. It is way too early to know what kind of a leader Jim Ryan is going to be over this generation, it hasn't even been two years since he took the head role
  2. SIE has been on an amazing streak of almost nonstop good to great games since 2017, but we won't really start to see games that were developed from start to finish under Jim Ryan until late 2021 or sometime in 2022
  3. Console gaming in Japan is dying. PS3 sold way less than PS2, PS4 sold still less than PS3, and I have to imagine PS5 will sell less than PS4. It doesn't make sense to invest as much in Japan only type studios or games unless you are big in mobile gaming
In other words, give the man a break. Understand the reasons why Sony is focused on developers which make games for a global market. Last, but not least enjoy the excellent games that Sony is consistently putting out

The mistake would be thinking Japan Studio games are only meant for Japan and Japanese gamers... that would be a bad strategic mistake.
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
To me it very sad to see Sony became less willing to invest on more unique games like they used to and just playing it completely safe and only invest on AAA western games for their first party games.

I missed unique games like these:
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It is a bit sad as we keep hearing people say that graphics are getting diminishing returns (which should make low end/low budget games closer to the AAA productions) and that it is easier and easier to get games up and running and we seem to be taking less and less risks like those games. I hope this changes with PS5, PS4 did not really follow PS3 and PSVita as much as one would expect.
 

Nickolaidas

Member
As we know, Playstation has been a brand where it has had many games, especially original and unique games.

These times have unfortunately changed since this nefarious man named Jim Ryan arrived.

670615.jpg


This idiot is not interested in the Japanese market, nor its productions, he has completely destroyed such a wonderful studio as Japan Studio, he has turned Playstation games into Hollywood products, with a denigration in the sagas, productions that have put the SWJ , where wonderful games like The last of us, have been decayed in a sequel that is not up to the first game.

The decadent way in which he treats Japanese productions, not to say discriminatory, the fact of censoring Japanese games for nonsense, but respecting the rawness of animal cruelty in The last of us Part II, as well as its sexual scenes, this wants say the great denigration it has towards the free artistic style of Japanese productions.


This stupid Jim Ryan has made dire decisions, launching the ps5 console in times of pandemic where not only does it not have games that sell consoles, but there are also no Next-Gen productions, and the limited availability of consoles that exist.

Poor hardware quality on PS5 where there have been problems with yellow cases on some models or freezes.


Total repudiation of this person for his foolish decisions
Hold your pitchforks until Sony announces all its exclusives will be coming to PC.

The salt will be glorious.
 

Aidah

Member
I’ve said this during every tirade he’s posted so far. Console’s are dead in Japan, mobile and arcades are what they want. And for record, PS2 sold 24 million consoles in Japan, PS3 10 million and PS4 8 million. It’s extremely clear the market changed for consoles in Japan with the PS360 generation and there was a reason for the focus shift. It’s clear the market in Japan for consoles is gone for all but the hardcore.
I disagree with your reasoning.

First of all, Japan is Playstation 4's second biggest single country market after the United States, in terms of units sold. So, Sony consoles aren't dead in Japan, let alone consoles in general.

Secondly, you're saying the huge drop between PS2 (around 23 million) and PS3 (around 10.5 million) is an indication of a shift in the Japanese market during the PS360 era. However, PS3 have sold about half what PS2 sold globally, so the drop is mostly a global trend rather than something specific to the country.

I think the difference in numbers between PS2, PS3 and PS4 are more a reflection of Sony's market share and level of dominance in the country, rather than the size of the market itself. PS2 was heavily dominating, PS3 and PS4 were/are dominated. Although the market have shrunk to a degree, it's not by anywhere near enough to even begin to call it dead.
 
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Heimdall_Xtreme Heimdall_Xtreme

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They aren't going to listen. Let it be, mate.

To me it very sad to see Sony became less willing to invest on more unique games like they used to and just playing it completely safe and only invest on AAA western games for their first party games.

I missed unique games like these:
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Its more frustrating how little faith they seemed to have showed in these titles.

Sure, they produced and funded them, but they barely had any marketing exposure as far as I recall. Not to mention, they spread themselves way too thin by releasing those games across multiple platforms (PS3,PSV,PS4). instead of focusing on one, singular, centralised platform, like they did with the PS1 for instance, to distribute, attract, and establish a sizeable audience/following imo. It seriously seemed like an unfocused, confusing effort and possibly a factor into their underperformance. They generally didn't communicate their Japanese output that well either. It really seemed like a sink-or-swim release each time.

Another thing, to this day, I still honestly can't fathom why Sony didn't take a chance on the Boku no natsuyasumi (my summer vacation) series, or blocked it, overseas. Sure, it seems like a very unique and odd series, it may even seem kind of bizarre in a way, but at the least it deserved a shot in terms of finding a western audience. If the west could find appreciation for something like Ghibli movies then it wouldn't surprise me if Natsuyasumi could've managed to accomplish something equivalent.
 
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Japanese games are my favorite, but they are far from the ONLY thing to play. That's why I love PlayStation - it has the best games from Japan and the rest of the world.

OP is just crying because his niche anime games aren't more popular than other AAA games. No head of any company is going to abandon the most popular franchises such as Spider-Man or God of War to focus solely on Japanese anime stuff.
 

Aidah

Member
Silly to blame any one person, Jimbo wasn't even in charge when the decision was made to launch PS4 in its home country months later for instance. I also think your paragraphs about launching PS5 are nonsense. So, I'll ignore that.

Personally, one major reason that made Playstation appealing over the years is that it had a good east/west balance, where Xbox is mostly west and Nintendo leans more east. It enjoyed the widest global support from developers big and small in the console space, resulting in diverse libraries that included some of my all time favorites. So I think ignoring Japan and its developers could have significat repercussions outside of Japan.

I have a general preference for game design principles that are more typical of the Japanese, so even when I think about Sony 1st party, my all time favorites would be mostly games made by or collaborated on by their Japanese studios.

I understand being annoyed by them possibly going even heavier in that direction, Playstation have already become a bit too western leaning and the more western Playstation becomes both as a platform and as a game development studio, the less appealing it becomes to me (let alone western with that type of ideology). Hopefully things aren't as bad as they seem or some things revert. However, if not, then sometimes you just wake up one day and realize that thing you like is no longer something you like and you dump it and look somewhere else.
 
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Elios83

Member
Sorry OP but the critics against Jim Ryan are pure nonsense. Jim Ryan has again proved he is a great executive, he handled the best launch ever for Playstation and that's during a pandemic, he made sure they could ship more PS5s than PS4s, he made sure that the launch was great with big software ready (Miles Morales, Demons Souls, Astrobot, Sackboy) while others are either delaying games or shipping them broken and 2021 will be incredible. All this cannot be stated about their main competitor and it's not like they're amateurs, Jim executed greatly.
If a few people in Japan who got all the chances they wanted over 10-15 years at Sony and wasted them all with commercial bombas have now decided to leave it's not Jim's fault.
Merry Christmas btw :messenger_smiling_hearts:
 
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