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[Hitchyhero]

At the end of the day, this makes the XSS irrelevant. The PS5 DE is unquestionably the better value.

XSS: $300+ $180 GPU = $480
PS5 DE: $400 +$60 PS+ =$460

I agree but your comparing two different things. Gamepass ultimate is completely worth the money even at full price. You got a ton of games, Inc EA play, MS first party games and a lot of triple AAA quality games, plus xbox live. You should be using the XBL price vs PS plus

It should be
XSS: $300+ $120 XBL = $420
PS5 DE: $400 +$60 PS+ =$460

Even though its an extra $40 I agree that the ps5 would be the better choice.

 

[portuga]

I buy my games and want to play online.
This is all I want to do.
Why should I be forced to pay more to do this and or be forced into another subscription model?

It doesn't make any sense unless greedy

I was expecting they over the games with gold feature and decrease the price to something similar to Nintendo Online offering.

 

[x@3f*oo_e!]

edit nvm

 

[EventHorizon]

I guess in your comparison you won't be playing any games on PS5 then.
Every game on PS5 is $70 so add that to the cost of the PS5 to make things equal.
Unless you are suggesting you could just play free PS+ games as an alternative? LOL if that is what you are suggesting.
Game Pass has new 1st party and some 3rd party releases on day 1.
On PS+ you'll be playing games after they lost their popularity.

(cough) PS Plus Collection (cough)

• Batman: Arkham Knight
• Battlefield 1
• Bloodborne
• Call of Duty Black Ops III Zombies Chronicles
• Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy
• Days Gone
• Detroit: Become Human
• Fallout 4
• Final Fantasy XV
• God of War
• inFAMOUS: Second Son
• The Last Guardian
• The Last of Us Remastered
• Monster Hunter: World
• Mortal Kombat X
• Persona 5
• Ratchet & Clank
• Resident Evil 7: Biohazard
• Uncharted 4: A Thief's End
• Until Dawn

On top of that you get

• PSN+ free games offered every month
• A full next gen console instead of a cut down one

 

[Krisprolls]

Good thing I got a 3080 instead of a new console. I'm not willing to pay for that shit anymore. Got my junior's PS5 if I ever want to play a new console exclusive. I might still pay for gamepass ultimate for 1-2 more months because I'm still playing some games off of that, then I'll unsub. And if my kid complains about losing access to that stuff, he can pay for it with his pocket money.

Yes, good thing I can just buy a $1500 paper Geforce 3090 instead and never care about that $60 yearly price increase. My wallet is safe.

 

[MistBreeze]

(cough) PS Plus Collection (cough)

• Batman: Arkham Knight
• Battlefield 1
• Bloodborne
• Call of Duty Black Ops III Zombies Chronicles
• Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy
• Days Gone
• Detroit: Become Human
• Fallout 4
• Final Fantasy XV
• God of War
• inFAMOUS: Second Son
• The Last Guardian
• The Last of Us Remastered
• Monster Hunter: World
• Mortal Kombat X
• Persona 5
• Ratchet & Clank
• Resident Evil 7: Biohazard
• Uncharted 4: A Thief's End
• Until Dawn

On top of that you get

• PNS+ free games offered every month
• A full next gen console instead of a cut down one

this is why I said from the beginning I don't like the subscription model in gaming

it is about killing gaming sales

I knew they are getting to force people into it

this is why Jim Rayan said this model can not sustain games that costs multi hundred millions to develope

microsoft will do what it takes to get what they spend on this serivice

they pay developers to put some games on the service

and they develop halo, gears, forza and other first party games and put them on the service

these thing cost money and microsoft will not give them to you at 10 a month

I guarantee u the price of the game pass ultimate service will go up beyond 20 or more when their top tier titles hit the service and xcloud mature enough and go out of beta phase

 

[bitbydeath]

 

[DrAspirino]

Well... if we do the math, Gamepass is actually a better deal (which is what I got), but this is not the way to move people to it.

Besides, I think that'll be only on the US and UK, because at least in LatinAmerica (where I live), prices are exactly the same as USA, BUT taxes (19%) are included within the price.

 

[Patrick S.]

Yes, good thing you can just buy a $1500 Geforce 3090 and never care about paying that $60 yearly price increase. My wallet is safe.

I paid 800 Euro for my 3080. The increased performance plus the satisfaction that I'm not paying for shit that used to be free is worth it for me. Plus all the other advantages of a PC, which I don't need to mention.

Edit: to be clear, this isn't meant as a system war post. I love consoles, but the constant price hikes etc. are not something I'm willing to support anymore.

 

[v_iHuGi]

Gamepass Ultimate is the way you get Gold and Gamepass for 5 dollar extra it a no brainer at this point anyone with an Xbox need Gamepass Ultimate i see why they are doing this pushing everyone to Gamepass Ultimate.

No brainer for a family with kids that only play Apex Cod or Fortnite?? Believe it or not, GamePass is as niche as it gets.

Most kids, teens want to play online with their friends, Gold at 60 was acceptable for most but 120?? When these games are FREE ON PC SWITCH & PS?

 

[InDaGulag]

I don't understand how paid online became a thing. Steam somehow gets by without putting online behind a paywall.

But then again greed is all that matters I guess.

 

[Krisprolls]

I paid 800 Euro for my 3080. The increased performance plus the satisfaction that I'm not paying for shit that used to be free is worth it for me. Plus all the other advantages of a PC, which I don't need to mention.

Edit: to be clear, this isn't meant as a system war post. I love consoles, but the constant price hikes etc. are not something I'm willing to support anymore.

I get it, but consoles are still by far the cheaper option, at least on Sony side ($399 PS4 lasted 7 years while no PC may run games properly for 7 years without a costly GPU upgrade half way, due to the games being optimized for consoles first, outside of Cyberpunk).

PS+ costs around $45 / year with tons of games included. Over 7 years (so $315 for PS+, total : $714 with the console), no good gaming PC can come close the overall cost (and plays none of the high budget console exclusives anyway, obviously).

The only difference is Nvidia takes a huge profit upfront on your GPU, instead of yearly like MS and Sony do. Both are equally "scummy", or if you're more realistic, both are corporations making money as they usually do. The indignation about paying for online gaming is a bit funny if the solution is buying GPUs from Nvidia. It's... exactly the same thing. You don't really pay for online gaming, you just finish paying your console.

 

[urmie]

Stack up Gold for 3 years (max), do the conversion to GP Ultimate (should be $1), you are set. Gold is always on sale via deal websites.

Kinda find it funny that full time Youtubers, like AngryJoe and others, will show some fake outrage, yet his "subs" throw money at him via Superchats, Patreon, the Join button, for basically no reward, instead of using that money that will actually benefit them.

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

Xbox Live Gold just became the worst deal in gaming [Update]

Microsoft hikes the price of Xbox Live Gold to double that of PlayStation Plus.

www.windowscentral.com

Also Hoeg Law did a pretty good vid on it:

 

[DrAspirino]

I don't understand how paid online became a thing. Steam somehow gets by without putting online behind a paywall.

But then again greed is all that matters I guess.

It became a thing the moment consoles began being sold "at a loss". For every PS3, Sony lost US$300, while Microsoft lost US$100 (or something like that). So, to make profit, all their accessories plus online services "needed to cost an extra".

Heck, PS4 console had razor-thin profit margins (single-digit or even less), yet it made Sony loads of money because of mandatory PS+ for online gaming.

On PCs, online gaming is free because we've already covered the cost of our hardware ourselves, and not the manufacturer or online services provider.

 

[Guy Legend]

No problem Microsoft. I'll be switching primary platforms back to Sony.

 

[urmie]

No problem Microsoft. I'll be switching primary platforms back to Sony.

Sony and Nintendo lock cloud saves behind a subscription, MS doesn't.

 

[EventHorizon]

I don't understand how paid online became a thing. Steam somehow gets by without putting online behind a paywall.

But then again greed is all that matters I guess.

PCs are an open system. There is no fee for online access because if there was, every game publisher would just ignore it and continue doing exactly what they are doing now with absolutely no change in game features. There would be no reason for any gamer to pay extra for online access because there'd always be a way to play online without paying.

Consoles can force a fee for online access because Sony and Microsoft simply won't allow gamers on their system to connect online unless they paid an access fee. If a game didn't enforce that restriction, they'd be pulled from the system.

 

[DrAspirino]

Anyway, what I see here is that whatever platform we choose (at least here in LatAm), we're screwed.

In Chile, on Sony's band, launch game prices went from US$60 (more or less) to a whopping US$96. On the other hand, Xbox games have remained mostly the same price, but online just raised the price (although GamePass Ultimate still costs US$15 here).

So... if we choose Sony, games will be prohibitively expensive, but online will be somewhat affordable. If we choose Xbox, games will be somewhat affordable, but online will be "expensive" (if we don't get GamePass).

Damn... no love for LatAm from neither company =(

 

[InDaGulag]

It became a thing the moment consoles began being sold "at a loss". For every PS3, Sony lost US$300, while Microsoft lost US$100 (or something like that). So, to make profit, all their accessories plus online services "needed to cost an extra".

Heck, PS4 console had razor-thin profit margins (single-digit or even less), yet it made Sony loads of money because of mandatory PS+ for online gaming.

On PCs, online gaming is free because we've already covered the cost of our hardware ourselves, and not the manufacturer or online services provider.

But surely the 30% cut on all purchases, game licensing fees, having monopoly storefronts, and markup on official accessories are enough no?

I mean Nintendo sells Switches at a profit and even they got on the online paywall bandwagon.

 

[THE DUCK]

At the end of the day, this makes the XSS irrelevant. The PS5 DE is unquestionably the better value.

XSS: $300+ $180 GPU = $480
PS5 DE: $400 +$60 PS+ =$460

Here I'll fix it for you:

XSS: $300 = $300
Gamepass 5 yrs = $180 x5
6 new games per year for 5 yrs = $0
Total cost over 5 years: $1100

PS5 DE: $400 = $400
Ps+ 5yrs = $60 x 5
6 new games per year for 5yrs $2000+
Total cost over 5 yrs= $2700

What was that you were saying about value?

 

[nikolino840]

I don't understand how paid online became a thing. Steam somehow gets by without putting online behind a paywall.

But then again greed is all that matters I guess.

I think when they have discovered how much money they pay for mainteinance or contracts to build server around the world..is like..paying for internet connection..companies don't buy "liters of internet" for resell to you after...
You pay companies becouse they build antennas or cables under the city...even sony have made a contract for azure instead of building his own infrastrucures...

 

[MasterCornholio]

lol

again if everybody is playing single player games on the PS why be bothered about a price hike on another console when they don’t play online games?

Plenty of people play games online on playstation. I guess they are just worried about Sony hiking the price since Microsoft is doing it.

Just a thought.

 

[Durask]

Well, that's one way to increase store availability of Xbox X/S

Take that, scalpers!

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

Sony and Nintendo lock cloud saves behind a subscription, MS doesn't.

MS locks F2P behind a subscription and Sony/Nintendo don't.

Swings and round-abouts mate. At least I don't have to pay $120/yr just to play my games online. That's garbage.

 

[Papacheeks]

Sony and Nintendo lock cloud saves behind a subscription, MS doesn't.

If you have a flash drive you can back up everything to usb and be fine.

Cloud is just convenient.

 

[bitbydeath]

Here I'll fix it for you:

XSS: $300 = $300
Gamepass 5 yrs = $180 x5
6 new games per year for 5 yrs = $0
Total cost over 5 years: $1100

PS5 DE: $400 = $400
Ps+ 5yrs = $60 x 5
6 new games per year for 5yrs $2000+
Total cost over 5 yrs= $2700

What was that you were saying about value?

PS+ hands out brand new games so you can take that row off the list.

 

[Derktron]

Basically, this what I expect from Microsoft.

 

[Dolomite]

What the fuck. As someone said on Twitter, read the pandemic room MS. As an xbox fan this was moronic

 

[magnumpy]

this is huge. the entire x-box empire is crumbling down. sell your stock now. buy a violin to play a mournful funeral dirge

I almost forgot that ms or xbox or both whatever recently went on a spending spree where they bought elder scrolls among others. it's crazy man wild times

 

[THE DUCK]

PS+ hands out brand new games so you can take that row off the list.

So does gold (included with ultimate), so that pretty much cancels each other in that regard.

 

[On Demand]

I swear Xbox fans think every game is on gamepass and that gampass is “free”

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/the-fallacy-of-game-pass-“value”.1569503/

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

Here I'll fix it for you:

XSS: $300 = $300
Gamepass 5 yrs = $180 x5
6 new games per year for 5 yrs = $0
Total cost over 5 years: $1100

PS5 DE: $400 = $400
Ps+ 5yrs = $60 x 5
6 new games per year for 5yrs $2000+
Total cost over 5 yrs= $2700

What was that you were saying about value?

This is a dumbass comparison. Most gamers don't buy 5 games a year, they play COD, Madden, and GTA and and none of them are on GP. You need to still pay full price for them on top of the cost of paying $120 a year to play free to play games like Fortnite and Warzone, games that are already free on PS, PC, and Switch.


There's no way XSS is a better value for casual gamers.

 

[Captain Toad]

Every game on PS5 is $70 so add that to the cost of the PS5 to make things equal.

No, they aren't.

Also, games are $69.99 on Xbox Series X too. If it's $70 on PS5, it's $70 on Xbox (assuming the game is on Xbox at all).

 

[SNPlayen]

Here I'll fix it for you:

XSS: $300 = $300
Gamepass 5 yrs = $180 x5
6 new games per year for 5 yrs = $0
Total cost over 5 years: $1100

PS5 DE: $400 = $400
Ps+ 5yrs = $60 x 5
6 new games per year for 5yrs $2000+
Total cost over 5 yrs= $2700

What was that you were saying about value?

What the fuck is this. At least the PS5 owners played some good games along the way.
Who in their right mind pays full price for every game?

 

[Kittehkraken]

Welp, another generation of Microsoft being dead last in console sales.

Congrats i guess.

 

[ThatOneGrunt]

I get it, but consoles are still by far the cheaper option, at least on Sony side ($399 PS4 lasted 7 years while no PC may run games properly for 7 years without a costly GPU upgrade half way, due to the games being optimized for consoles first, outside of Cyberpunk).

PS+ costs around $45 / year with tons of games included. Over 7 years (so $315 for PS+, total : $714 with the console), no good gaming PC can come close the overall cost (and plays none of the high budget console exclusives anyway, obviously).

The only difference is Nvidia takes a huge profit upfront on your GPU, instead of yearly like MS and Sony do. Both are equally "scummy", or if you're more realistic, both are corporations making money as they usually do. The indignation about paying for online gaming is a bit funny if the solution is buying GPUs from Nvidia. It's... exactly the same thing. You don't really pay for online gaming, you just finish paying your console.

My 1060 is 5 years old and has no problems playing modern games. Even handles Cyberpunk pretty great minus raytracing. Looking to upgrade but just so I can get better VR performance. Which is an option I like to have.

You also had the same option when they introduced the PS4 Pro. Upgrades aren't mandatory.

 

[reinking]

Why so much Sony talk in a thread about a Microsoft service?

 

[IntentionalPun]

lol.. who thought MS WASNT going to be dead last anyways?

 

[Varteras]

Microsoft starting off another year, in its already decade long streak of perplexing decisions, with a bang.

 

[Papacheeks]

lol.. who thought MS WASNT going to be dead last anyways?

They themselves did, "Sony and Nintendo are not our competition". Well it looks like they were right, because if they dont course correct and prices for GP go up once games start hitting, then they will basically be out of the market mindshare.

 

[SlimySnake]

lol.. who thought MS WASNT going to be dead last anyways?

you want me to start @'ing gaffers?

 

[magnumpy]

this is why they're known as M$

 

[Captain Toad]

Here I'll fix it for you:

XSS: $300 = $300
Gamepass 5 yrs = $180 x5
6 new games per year for 5 yrs = $0
Total cost over 5 years: $1100

PS5 DE: $400 = $400
Ps+ 5yrs = $60 x 5
6 new games per year for 5yrs $2000+
Total cost over 5 yrs= $2700

What was that you were saying about value?

I own all the three consoles including GamePass and PS Now.

If you only play games that are on GamePass, you're missing out on 95% of the games worth playing.

Not to mention most of the games on GamePass (and PS Now) were nowhere near full price when they arrived on GP. The majority of these games are $19.99, unless a sale is going down where they can drop as low as $4.99.

 

[IntentionalPun]

They themselves did, "Sony and Nintendo are not our competition". Well it looks like they were right, because if they dont course correct and prices for GP go up once games start hitting, then they will basically be out of the market mindshare.

That is not what that statement means.. in fact, it's MS's deflection from knowing they are dead last in the console business.

They think they are going to have 100's of millions of GamePass subs because of xCloud.

It's what I've been saying for a year now; MS has sold their leadership on this idea that they can compete with the kind of numbers iOS app store is putting up with people playing AAA games on touch screens lol

2 unproven things.. cloud streaming and expensive monthly gaming services... somehow are going to bring in more customers than game consoles.

Good luck.

 

[nani17]

Putting the price up during a global pandemic that's lasted over a year wtf MS

 

[EventHorizon]

If you have a flash drive you can back up everything to usb and be fine.

Cloud is just convenient.

Not for PS5 games. You can do a complete PS5 hard drive backup, but you can't backup the progress for the single game you played that day. Sony is starting to get some evil tendencies too.

However this could just be because the OS isn't fully ready yet. There are some other curiuosly missing features like being able to backup a PS5 game to external storage. With very limited SSD space, you'd think for certain that Sony would want that feature.

 

[Papacheeks]

Not for PS5 games. You can do a complete PS5 hard drive backup, but you can't backup the progress for the single game you played that day. Sony is starting to get some evil tendencies too.

However this could just be because the OS isn't fully ready yet. There are some other curiuosly missing features like being able to backup a PS5 game to external storage. With very limited SSD space, you'd think for certain that Sony would want that feature.

I was given the option to backup to usb on my PS5 spiderman remastered? Or is that just for ps4 saves on PS5?

Edit, yea looked it up and currently your right. But this was something: Explorations for allowing players to store (but not play) PS5 games on a USB drive in a future update are underway.

Sony Is 'Exploring' the Option to Allow PS5 Game Saves to Be Backed up to USB Drives - PlayStation LifeStyle

Sony has said that it's "exploring" the option of allowing players to transfer their PS5 game saves to a USB drive.

www.playstationlifestyle.net

 

[THE DUCK]

This is a dumbass comparison. Most gamers don't buy 5 games a year, they play COD, Madden, and GTA and and none of them are on GP. You need to still pay full price for them on top of the cost of paying $120 a year to play free to play games like Fortnite and Warzone, games that are already free on PS, PC, and Switch.


There's no way XSS is a better value for casual gamers.

No more dumb than completely ignoring the value and yes, day one games that gamepass will be providing over the next 5 years.

 

[THE DUCK]

I own all the three consoles including GamePass and PS Now.

If you only play games that are on GamePass, you're missing out on 95% of the games worth playing.

Not to mention most of the games on GamePass (and PS Now) were nowhere near full price when they arrived on GP. The majority of these games are $19.99, unless a sale is going down where they can drop as low as $4.99.

Please, 95% of games worth playing? More like half at least. And yes, will so many ms studios now, there will be plenty of full price games on gamepass over the next 5 years.