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[StreetsofBeige]

I can’t tell if people are trolling or actually serious. This is so overly dramatic and ridiculous. It’s a quick frame drop at one small spot on the edge of one map. I beat the game and didn’t even need to go to that spot.

So you are telling me you would rather take a decent resolution drop across the entire game in favor of a tiny frame boost in 0.01% of the game? Or in my case it would have been 0% of the game. This make no sense.

A resolution jump across the entire game is noticeable. No one would probably even notice that tiny frame drop without a DF graph telling them it exists.

Sony fans will analyze every pixel counting video and claim superiority based on the cherry picked metric of the day.

I'm waiting for the day a video shows Xbox and PC have better res and visuals, but the PS5 menu screen runs 1 fps faster. Therefor PS5 > Xbox and PC.

You can tell the nitpicky metrics are getting wildly obscure. Hitman 3 shows loading times on console where PS5 is about 7 seconds, XSX at 7.3 seconds and XSS at about 7.9 seconds.

Not a word from Sony fans as the delta (literally not even one full second) isn't worth SSD gloating. Dead silence.

 

[assurdum]

I'm not sure this the way to go when discussing an analysis. Alex or Dictator is just doing his job and reporting the facts which are displayed on screen for all to see, a little respect goes a long way I'm sure you agree?

Alex and Dictator are never been objective when a playstation console is involved. Now my words could be rude and irrespective but I'm exaperate to the person who continue to quote my post even in ignore list. Anyway I'm not discussing the data results but I'm frankly annoyed to hear DF repeat as Mantra ps5 perfom as expected when is below the series X but it's not when is in pair or beyond their expectation. They should stop to spread their convintion as a fact.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Alex and Dictator are never been objective when a playstation console is involved. Now my words could be rude and irrespective but I'm exaperate to the person who continue to quote my post even in ignore list. Anyway I'm not discussing the facts but say ps5 perfom as expected is blatantly false and unfair especially it's the only game which perfom like it.

So DF is biased against Sony?

 

[Physiognomonics]

I think it's fair to compare only scenes where all the effects are present, yes. How can it be a correct assessment if one is under more workload that the other?

Same goes for consoles, why compare framerate on two versions running at different resolutions.

Usually we either do average or take scenes that are representative of the whole experience. For instance in Hitman 3 there are others scene with alpha effects where PS5 actually beats easily the 2060S. This is why when one new GPU is released we use average in benchemarks in order to compare with other GPUs.
Have you ever seen benchmarks of a new GPU using only one specific frame?

 

[Concern]

So DF is biased against Sony?

Im not sure but I think thats the point he's been trying to make in his 120+ posts in this thread.....(yes i actually counted out of boredom )

 

[Loope]

Usually we either do average or take scenes that are representative of the whole experience. For instance in Hitman 3 there are others scene with alpha effects where PS5 actually beats easily the 2060S. This is why when one new GPU is released we use average in benchemarks in order to compare with other GPUs.
Have you ever seen benchmarks of a new GPU using only one specific frame?

No. But it is fair to do it when everything is on screen, maybe search more instances of it.

 

[assurdum]

oh sure..of course yes you (as everyone else) can be disappointed, God forbid, but it seems that everyone is just judging the performance so confusingly ..just because the xsx run it simply better. I honestly don't know what the expectations are and why you talk about expected performance .... are you aiming for a "lazy dev" situation? . That said the rest of your answer is superfluous .... honestly guys when multiple devs and people "in the know" including John l. from DF (famously closer to the sony platform) have all in one way or another declared that the XSX would actually improve its performance due to the strong immaturity (compared to the sony counterpart) of what we call "tools"..... why are we so surprised? sooner or later this moment had to come. We are always been talking about a console that has more tf, bw and cpu clock. More than anything else it was surprising what happened so far not the other way around. With this it is not said that all future comparisons will go the same way. we'll see if it happens .. it will only mirror what everyone expected given the specs on the paper

You know what's the problem here? We have the hardware specs on both, we know how much approximately they could perform but when series X outperforms ps5 as never seen before,, oh it's natural, until before tools was early, blabla but with his fantastic custom features blabla as ps5 as nothing inside of custom. Now hear people like Dictator a 44% of resolution is expected hurts my nerve, because it's blatantly false, it's never happened before, hardly you can have 44% of more pixels with the 20% of more GPU. It's simple math.
And you know what's more fun about it? They repeat AMD and Nvidia, apple and orange, never compare their perfomance in multiplat but why Dictator persist to use the TF number in 2070 super and 2080 to define the perfomance gap on console?

 

[FranXico]

But its ok when John said Xbox had no rt at launch right? Lol

John never said that. He only ever mentioned issues with the toolchain.

 

[Loope]

Dictator discussed with me time ago on Resetera because in his opinion no way ps5 had raytracing hardware as Cerny claimed. Just to give you the full picture of the narrative of such "expert". And there is nothing more than an appassionate guy as anyone without probably even has a clue how to code at low API access. If you are an appassionate guy of such stuff you have easily access to the same information who him provides, he says things quite obvious and accessible for everyone in the net

If you're a passionate guy you pick up information from the net, especially from beyond3d and parrot it on the net or even copy paste like i've seen some notorious sony fanboys in here do back in the day of the ps4. When you know your shit, you know your shit, even if you can be obtuse and stubborn about something like the consoles having RT or not.

A passionate guy doesn't know what the fuck they are talking about,you want to know how i know that? It's not the 1st time i've discussed technical detailing about my job with passionate guys that sometimes don't even begin to understand what they are talking about.

I won't go into that because i don't believe either of them are biased, but you can see how some people are saying the same about NxGamer. Sometimes it's a matter of perception.

 

[Concern]

John never said that. He only ever mentioned issues with the toolchain.

He tweeted it pre launch and someone corrected him about it by reminding him wd had rt at launch.

 

[assurdum]

If you're a passionate guy you pick up information from the net, especially from beyond3d and parrot it on the net or even copy paste like i've seen some notorious sony fanboys in here do back in the day of the ps4. When you know your shit, you know your shit, even if you can be obtuse and stubborn about something like the consoles having RT or not.

A passionate guy doesn't know what the fuck they are talking about,you want to know how i know that? It's not the 1st time i've discussed technical detailing about my job with passionate guys that sometimes don't even begin to understand what they are talking about.

I won't go into that because i don't believe either of them are biased, but you can see how some people are saying the same about NxGamer. Sometimes it's a matter of perception.

He doesn't know his "shit". Have you even read some tech stuff about him? Outside know how graphic tech work you ever heard him talking about coding, compiling, hardware implication and so on? He has a very approximative knowledge about such things and talks essentially of graphic features. But I bet whatever you want if you give to him a keyboard to code a game doesn't know where to start.
This professional continue to repeat faster SSD in ps5 means nothing for the game. That's ignorant as hell. You see what's the issue about him? He looks just of what he actually knows and can't even have a perspective how tech could evolve outside of what he just knows.

 

[BeardGawd]

Its funny how 50fps is now deemed unplayable now. Like every COD game known to man drops to the 50s and noone bats an eye.

 

[AgentP]

Its funny how 50fps is now deemed unplayable now. Like every COD game known to man drops to the 50s and noone bats an eye.

Sort of like how sub-4k is blurry.

 

[Loope]

He doesn't know his shit. Have you even read some tech stuff about him? Outside know how graphic tech work you ever heard him talking about coding, compiling, hardware implication and so on? He has a very approximative knowledge about such things and talks essentially of graphic features. But I bet whatever you want if you give to him a keyboard to code a game doesn't know where to start.

Does he need to know how to compile or code to know how to evaluate graphical setting and performance? Are you for real? Fine then, show those coders that do graphical analysis, i'll gladly read them and their opinion.

 

[BeardGawd]

Sort of like how sub-4k is blurry.

One is an improvement compared to last gen. The other is the same.

 

[assurdum]

Does he need to know how to compile or code to know how to evaluate graphical setting and performance? Are you for real? Fine then, show those coders that do graphical analysis, i'll gladly read them and their opinion.

NXgamer is one of them. And yes you need to know something more than just how works DLSS, raytracing and so on. Again when Dictator talks about hardware stuff on console he does thousands of approximation pretending it works as a math equation what he said. Completely wrong. He hasn't even the humbleness to hear the contradictory, he's quite obtuse from this point of views. But sure when he provides tech data , he is good in find such things. But when he talks as was the new Jesus to catch the hardware profile on new console, he put out a lot of personal assumption and he getting wrong more than a time. And I bet whatever you want he barely knows something about the details of the ps5 hardware.

 

[driqe]

39 pages...

 

[SlimySnake]

Does anyone know which cutscene they are making this assumption. The one where PS5 drops to 37 and SX to 32fps ? Yes it is huge drop from 60fps. But then again they game is not utilizing these console properly. It seems to be a port from last gen consoles. Even on PC with ultra settings at 4K the game only uses 4.7gb of Vram.

xbox drops to 32 only because it is running at native 4k or 44% more pixels than the ps5. the 5700 was sub 30 fps and 5700xt is 31 fps so we can assume the ps5 would likely be around 30 fps at native 4k. maybe 29 fps.

 

[Loope]

NXgamer is one of them. And yes you need to know something more than just how works DLSS, raytracing and so on. Again when Dictator talk about hardware stuff on console he did thousands of stupid approximation and talks as it was a math equation what he said. He hasn't even the humbleness to hear a different opinion, he's quite obtuse from this point of views. But sure when he provides tech data , he is good in find such things. But when he start sto talk as he was the new Jesus of the hardware specs, he put out a lot of personal assumption.

Didn't know it, i've seen some videos by him.

 

[Shmunter]

no I just have the game and can comment on its performance

So why haven’t you?

 

[phil_t98]

So why haven’t you?

it runs perfectly fine and I cannot see any frame drops so far

 

[Concern]

it runs perfectly fine and I cannot see any frame drops so far

Same here. All the while trolls are trying to imply that one section where it drops is indicative of the whole performance. Lots of salt still here

 

[cosmicom]

Same here. All the while trolls are trying to imply that one section where it drops is indicative of the whole performance. Lots of salt still here

Someday they will accept that Xbox Series X is more powerful than playstation 5, but they must go through several phases of mourning before.

 

[phil_t98]

Same here. All the while trolls are trying to imply that one section where it drops is indicative of the whole performance. Lots of salt still here

It’s the same with the countless gamepass threads

 

[Shmunter]

it runs perfectly fine and I cannot see any frame drops so far

So you haven’t reached the area DF featured?

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

Why are so many still upset about this?? Many people say they don't even care about the game, yet have more posts in here than die hard fans of the series! I'm still waiting to see if NX will do a video to confirm DF findings, or will it somehow go against what everyone elses findings?

 

[Leyasu]

So you haven’t reached the area DF featured?

He may well have blinked and missed the drops

 

[quest]

Why are so many still upset about this?? Many people say they don't even care about the game, yet have more posts in here than die hard fans of the series! I'm still waiting to see if NX will do a video to confirm DF findings, or will it somehow go against what everyone elses findings?

I would be shocked if he puts up a video. Guy has an ign gig plus he was quick on the draw for any Sony victory. He did great playing an angle to a job at ign. I said before he is a smart business man. There is 120 million Playstation gamers out there catering to them in a intelligent way was genius instead of the colt Eastwood crap.

 

[Negotiator101]

He doesn't know his "shit". Have you even read some tech stuff about him? Outside know how graphic tech work you ever heard him talking about coding, compiling, hardware implication and so on? He has a very approximative knowledge about such things and talks essentially of graphic features. But I bet whatever you want if you give to him a keyboard to code a game doesn't know where to start.
This professional continue to repeat faster SSD in ps5 means nothing for the game. That's ignorant as hell. You see what's the issue about him? He looks just of what he actually knows and can't even have a perspective how tech could evolve outside of what he just knows.

You know his academic background? I didn't think so. Also I know for a fact John from digital foundry has a coding background (not in games but neither does NX gamer). In my opinion Dictators videos are more technical than both those. One other thing, I mentioned respect earlier to you, maybe take it on board going forward, thanks.

 

[SmurfMustard]

Consensus of threads like this: DF are perfectly fine, as long as they proof my console is winning. But if they dare say that another console might be equal or better they know nothing and have always been shit. You guys are really something else. It wouldn't be so pathetic if you all were twelve year olds, but the sad fact is most of you are older.

 

[phil_t98]

So you haven’t reached the area DF featured?

Ahh so now it’s an area and not the full game as you been saying

 

[DeadOblivion78]

How the fuck does this one game get to 39 pages? 2160p vs 1800p is so miniscule how would anyone notice when you're more than 5 feet away from a TV?

 

[Bogroll]

How the fuck does this one game get to 39 pages? 2160p vs 1800p is so miniscule how would anyone notice when you're more than 5 feet away from a TV?

Some of us are closer than 5ft

 

[Plantoid]

Thread is going to 40 pages because sony is losing... TOOLS ARRIVED

 

[FrankWza]

Consensus of threads like this: DF are perfectly fine, as long as they proof my console is winning. But if they dare say that another console might be equal or better they know nothing and have always been shit.

This is why there were so many dormant accounts that just started posting again and self bans in December I guess. Good call

 

[scydrex]

I want to kmow what happened to PS5 SSD advantage? 2x faster than SX SSD but only 2-3 secs in loadtimes.

What xbox series exclusives load in 2 or 3 seconds? Like the exclusive on PS5? From a cold boot?

 

[Imtjnotu]

How the fuck does this one game get to 39 pages? 2160p vs 1800p is so miniscule how would anyone notice when you're more than 5 feet away from a TV?

guess you werent around for the PS4 vs. XBONE, 900p vs 1080p

 

[FrankWza]

What xbox series exclusives load in 2 or 3 seconds? Like the exclusive on PS5? From a cold boot?

Sonys SSD still loads faster and it’s functionality goes further than being a hard drive. That’s how head to heads have been mostly going to PS5 and how, even with a few TF disadvantage it’s able to outperform. These events also did away with the secret sauce comments hahahaha...

 

[Soulblighter31]

He doesn't know his "shit". Have you even read some tech stuff about him? Outside know how graphic tech work you ever heard him talking about coding, compiling, hardware implication and so on? He has a very approximative knowledge about such things and talks essentially of graphic features. But I bet whatever you want if you give to him a keyboard to code a game doesn't know where to start.
This professional continue to repeat faster SSD in ps5 means nothing for the game. That's ignorant as hell. You see what's the issue about him? He looks just of what he actually knows and can't even have a perspective how tech could evolve outside of what he just knows.

So which AAA games has nxgamer released or worked on ? On another ocassion when i pointed that hes not qualified to talk about the things he does he said hes a programer in marketing or some such things. John from DF did some software for trains i think, in the past. Basically none of these youtubers have fuck all to do with game making, they do not have studies in the field, they havent worked on a game, they dont have detailed information from the developers of said games (except rare ocassions), they dont have access to the codes (not that they would know what to do with it even if they did), they dont know particular tricks each game employs.

My stance is to stop listening when youtubers go beyond framerates and start talking about graphical techniques or how things work, because they're just throwing generalist terms out there and doing guess work,. they dont actually know what the fuck they're saying for a fact.

Heh, remember this one:

Which basically sums it up. The entirety of youtube "tech analysis" consists of unqualified people without access to relevant information making claims that dont come from experience nor knowledge, but naked eye surface analysis and guess work.

 

[Snake29]

How the fuck does this one game get to 39 pages? 2160p vs 1800p is so miniscule how would anyone notice when you're more than 5 feet away from a TV?

Only xbox fans sitting in front of it searching for Wins, that’s why it is a “huge” difference for them. But at the same time...they never notice any frame drop or microstutter....lol

 

[Md Ray]

So which AAA games has nxgamer released or worked on ? On another ocassion when i pointed that hes not qualified to talk about the things he does he said hes a programer in marketing or some such things. John from DF did some software for trains i think, in the past. Basically none of these youtubers have fuck all to do with game making, they do not have studies in the field, they havent worked on a game, they dont have detailed information from the developers of said games (except rare ocassions), they dont have access to the codes (not that they would know what to do with it even if they did), they dont know particular tricks each game employs.

My stance is to stop listening when youtubers go beyond framerates and start talking about graphical techniques or how things work, because they're just throwing generalist terms out there and doing guess work,. they dont actually know what the fuck they're saying for a fact.

Heh, remember this one:

Which basically sums it up. The entirety of youtube "tech analysis" consists of unqualified people without access to relevant information making claims that dont come from experience nor knowledge, but naked eye surface analysis and guess work.

 

[MonarchJT]

NXgamer is one of them. And yes you need to know something more than just how works DLSS, raytracing and so on. Again when Dictator talks about hardware stuff on console he does thousands of approximation pretending it works as a math equation what he said. Completely wrong. He hasn't even the humbleness to hear the contradictory, he's quite obtuse from this point of views. But sure when he provides tech data , he is good in find such things. But when he talks as was the new Jesus to catch the hardware profile on new console, he put out a lot of personal assumption and he getting wrong more than a time. And I bet whatever you want he barely knows something about the details of the ps5 hardware.

Nxgamer is clearly biased you don't see that but see that df is? ?

 

[MonarchJT]

Only xbox fans sitting in front of it searching for Wins, that’s why it is a “huge” difference for them. But at the same time...they never notice any frame drop or microstutter....lol

in all honesty 44% pixel more is lot more noticeable than 5 fps drop...

 

[Tickle My Tendies]

How the fuck does this one game get to 39 pages? 2160p vs 1800p is so miniscule how would anyone notice when you're more than 5 feet away from a TV?

Multiple threads of PS5 win analyses have received similar activity. It's not new.

And the resolution/shadow quality difference is something gets a parade of memes when PS5 has had the upper hand in the past. But when XsX has the upper hand, it's not even noticeable to you? Fascinating.

 

[Physiognomonics]

No. But it is fair to do it when everything is on screen, maybe search more instances of it.

Just watch their video, on the short section you'll find a few instances of PS5 beating the 2060s (and by 10%). The problem I see is that most won't remember the context (it's just one frame in specific conditions etc.), but they will definitely remember the nice table with PS5 easily beaten by a 2060s.

Alex did this in order to create a dishonest narrative. It's manipulative. And that's a logical step after the "tools" narrative trying to explain the XSX failures to beat PS5 in most previous comparisons.

 

[MonarchJT]

Just watch their video, on the short section you'll find a few instances of PS5 beating the 2060s (and by 10%). The problem I see is that most won't remember the context (it's just one frame in specific conditions etc.), but they will definitely remember the nice table with PS5 easily beaten by a 2060s.

Alex did this in order to create a dishonest narrative. It's manipulative. And that's a logical step after the "tools" narrative trying to explain the XSX failures to beat PS5 in most previous comparisons.

so you accusing df to create a false narrative to gain what? i save this post in case future games will see same perf diff and the problem was really related to premature tools.

 

[isoRhythm]

Multiple threads of PS5 win analyses have received similar activity. It's not new.

And the resolution/shadow quality difference is something gets a parade of memes when PS5 has had the upper hand in the past. But when XsX has the upper hand, it's not even noticeable to you? Fascinating.

I don't think you can compare PS5 winning threads. That was after months of MS marketing worlds most powerful and then it blew up in their faces.

 

[DeadOblivion78]

Multiple threads of PS5 win analyses have received similar activity. It's not new.

And the resolution/shadow quality difference is something gets a parade of memes when PS5 has had the upper hand in the past. But when XsX has the upper hand, it's not even noticeable to you? Fascinating.

The difference between 900p and 1080p is that 900p is around 69% of 1080p resolution which is noticeable to me. But 1800p is around 85% of 4k which to me is less noticeable and is a diminishing return on image quality.

 

[Physiognomonics]

in all honesty 44% pixel more is lot more noticeable than 5 fps drop...

Today I watched a video of a guy owning the game on both machines with a big screen claiming exactly the contrary. He could barely see the resolution difference at 30cm from his screen (and not at all at normal distance) but could very well see the framerate drops on XSX and was very annoyed by them. This guy must probably have a problem with his TV, but that's another problem.

 

[93xfan]

A beast which can handle in 4k with mixed setting at 60 FPS a game that runs at 56 FPS of average with ultra setting in a 5700 XT (the amd GPU weaker version of ps5 GPU). What exactly is beasty in this perfomance? It's exactly where should be.

Clearly you haven’t been paying attention to these comparisons threads. It was poking fun at the PS5 is a beast, Cerny is a genius comments that litter them when PS5 has a win