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DC Publishing shutting down?

Bryank75

Banned


Apparently the guy who makes these videos is quite connected and says he has information that DC publishing is going to be shut down and the rights to the comics will be auctioned / leased.

Sad that DC cannot get their quality or sales on track, especially when you see manga and anime beginning to really take off. Will be terrible if this actually happens.
 

Bryank75

Banned
Does anyone buy comics anymore? I'm always surprised they are still around. I could see Disney buying them up. Marvel vs DC would be cool to see again.
Well apparently the quality has gone way down...
If people would buy manga and watch anime, I don't see why they wouldn't buy a comic.

The guy that made the video, made some comic through crowdfunding and apparently it was very successful, I don't know the ins and outs but there seems to be an audience there if you serve them.
 
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OmegaSupreme

advanced basic bitch
Well apparently the quality has gone way down...
If people would buy manga and watch anime, I don't see why they wouldn't buy a comic.

The guy that made the video, made some comic through crowdfunding and apparently it was very successful, I don't know the ins and outs but there seems to be an audience there if you serve them.
I enjoy comics. I buy digital comics here and there. I even bought a 10-inch kindle just to read them. I can't tell you the last time I bought a physical comic though. Probably the better part of 10 years.
 

Bryank75

Banned
I enjoy comics. I buy digital comics here and there. I even bought a 10-inch kindle just to read them. I can't tell you the last time I bought a physical comic though. Probably the better part of 10 years.
Well, I imagine retail will be a no-go for a long time with physical comics..... so it's probably for the best.

I haven't bought a graphic novel or comic for a long time, either digital or physical but I have interest in the God of War ones coming out soon.
Sometimes one or two catch my fancy randomly.
 
Comic industry gets out sold by manga like 10:1 and DC kept making bad decisions, there's some entertaining garbage they've released in the last few years like Three Jokers and Doomsday Clock but otherwise nah. It'll be sad if they do go under though.
 

sol_bad

Member
Get woke, go broke. Fuck DC

Get out with that shit, nothing to do with that at all.
AT&T are just idiots and have no knowledge on how the comics industry works. They don't understand the movie industry either. AT&T are just dumb.

*EDIT*
There is no news about this from any reputable sources by the way. Just Websites and YouTube channels with hot takes and constant negative opinions about the industry.
Nothing to see here, yet.
 
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Arkam

Member
DC us a few good IPs but they are the worst at leveraging them. Anyone else couldn’t do worse. So I take this as potentially positive.
 
I don’t understand how they haven’t stopped yet. These are some of the biggest IPs in the world, but you can only buy comics at small shops? Why are they not everywhere that still sells magazines and books? How is a company profitable with a few hundred thousand sells (on a good book)?
 
Does anyone buy comics anymore? I'm always surprised they are still around. I could see Disney buying them up. Marvel vs DC would be cool to see again.
Where I am, there's no where to buy them. However every time I go away, I'll pick up a handful of hardback collections or whatever tickles my fancy. When I was on the comic books subreddit I remember that being quite big.
 

stn

Member
That's a shame. I was under the impression that people don't really buy hardcopy comics as much as they used to. Speaking for myself, I made the switch to digital comics only because of space constraints. I have my old comic collection but I just don't have space anymore for everything.
 

SinDelta

Member
This.

Plus the fact that they have completely ruined Batman, although I'd argue that The Killing Joke was the start of the downfall of Batman.
Is this where they started making the Joker a monster at the expanse of his humor?

I've heard...things about what Joker is like in modern comics.
 
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Velcro Fly

Member
I feel bad that I don't buy physical comics anymore. But the reader apps and such on my iPad are much nicer than buying and storing and lugging around a physical book.

I don't think they will shut down though. But DC Comics has definitely been mismanaged lately.
 

Mistake

Member
I’ve seen news occasionally of people who were long in the business deciding to leave because their creative freedom was being stifled (the company got woke.) They turn into independent creators or collaborate with others who have also left. It’s happening across the board, not just comics
 

Fox Mulder

Member
Get out with that shit, nothing to do with that at all.
AT&T are just idiots and have no knowledge on how the comics industry works. They don't understand the movie industry either. AT&T are just dumb.

*EDIT*
There is no news about this from any reputable sources by the way. Just Websites and YouTube channels with hot takes and constant negative opinions about the industry.
Nothing to see here, yet.

the YouTube channel in the OP like only exists to laugh at all the sjw trash in the comics industry. It at least doesn’t help them and ATT doesn’t give a shit about comics anyways.

ATT has all of DC’s valuable IPs to use for their streaming service and will throw the publishing company in the trash. DC animated stuff is excellent and the movies can be great too.
 

Azurro

Banned
Get out with that shit, nothing to do with that at all.

It makes no sense that a product that is so similar ike manga sells multiple times the amount than comics do, there's a market there. It just tells you the product has been mismanaged and when looking at all the woke stuff the comics have been up to these last few years, it absolutely makes sense to say "get woke, go broke".
 
Is this where they started making the Joker a monster at the expanse of his humor?

I've heard...things about what Joker is like in modern comics.

Yes.

I believe it's also where they started to turn Batman into the brooding, emo, grimdark character we have today.

Both Killing Joke and Death in the Family (2nd Robin is "killed") happened in 1988. I'd consider that the start of the downfall of the Batman as a character.
 

Corpsepyre

Banned
This is what happens when you link unverified sources, especially terrible hottake Youtubers. Wait for actual credible sources before y'all start arguing.
 

sol_bad

Member
It makes no sense that a product that is so similar ike manga sells multiple times the amount than comics do, there's a market there. It just tells you the product has been mismanaged and when looking at all the woke stuff the comics have been up to these last few years, it absolutely makes sense to say "get woke, go broke".

Please, show me all the woke stuff from DC.
 

Karmic Raze

Member
Manga is a lot more interesting to me than comics per se, but I do love DC mostly for the Batman franchises. I like other ones too, but the Bat is my favorite. Honestly, I’d like to see Disney buy them up just for the crossovers they could do with Marvel. Imagine Batman vs. Spider-Man for example. Now that would be something worth my time and money.
 

Azurro

Banned

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Curious as to why DC would be struggling. I know nothing about comics, but with Batman, Superman, WW etc..... anyone know why they are bombing?

People said above people buy Manga, so cartoony stories are still sold. Also said quality has gone down. How so? Shitty stories or artwork or both?

Is piracy rampant? Why buy comics when sites will have someone who scanned it?????
 

DESTROYA

Member
If true I hope someone else other than Disney buys them out, I would hate to see them have a monopoly on both comic universes .
 

Kenpachii

Member
Get out with that shit, nothing to do with that at all.
AT&T are just idiots and have no knowledge on how the comics industry works. They don't understand the movie industry either. AT&T are just dumb.

*EDIT*
There is no news about this from any reputable sources by the way. Just Websites and YouTube channels with hot takes and constant negative opinions about the industry.
Nothing to see here, yet.

Go watch the batwoman trailer and tell me how its not woke. That probably single handedly destroyed there business.

Then after looking at there newest superhero's its all straight up trash, so yea doesn't seem like they understand there market.
 
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sol_bad

Member
I don't really read comic books, but here you go:


If that doesn't scream SJW then I don't know what to tell you.

And also, weren't they making Batman chinese and Alfred gay? Antifa Joker?

I Am Not Starfire is one graphic novel/TPB that hasn't even released (July 2021) yet and so can't be properly judged yet. You can judge the art work (which I think is cute) but that's about it. Their YA graphic novels are not their main focus, it's a subline for authors and artists to experiment with ideas, not aimed at their primary audience.
"Chinese Batman" is also part of the YA graphic novel line. Again, not their primary focus, not their primary target audience, an experimental line where authors/artists can experiment with random ideas.

DC has released hundreds/thousands of floppies/TPB's/HC's/omnis/absolutes over the past 5+ years. Mentioning 2 TPB's does not in any way, shape or form signify that DC comics are "infested" with "SJW" crap.

Go watch the batwoman trailer and tell me how its not woke. That probably single handedly destroyed there business.

Then after looking at there newest superhero's its all straight up trash, so yea doesn't seem like they understand there market.

The CW does not = DC publishing. Entirely different companies and entities. I don't even watch or care about the Batwoman show.
Who are DC publishing's newest superheroes?

Curious as to why DC would be struggling. I know nothing about comics, but with Batman, Superman, WW etc..... anyone know why they are bombing?

People said above people buy Manga, so cartoony stories are still sold. Also said quality has gone down. How so? Shitty stories or artwork or both?

Is piracy rampant? Why buy comics when sites will have someone who scanned it?????

The industry as a whole is changing. Floppies have diminished in popularity as digital has become more popular. Also the collected edition market is skyrocketing, at least for Marvel it is as they know what they are doing and are giving the fans what they want. DC publishing are fucking up the collected market as AT&T have no idea what they are doing. We are still waiting for the Scott Snyder Batman omnibus volume 2 for example.
 
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Kenpachii

Member
I Am Not Starfire is one graphic novel/TPB that hasn't even released (July 2021) yet and so can't be properly judged yet. You can judge the art work (which I think is cute) but that's about it. Their YA graphic novels are not their main focus, it's a subline for authors and artists to experiment with ideas, not aimed at their primary audience.
"Chinese Batman" is also part of the YA graphic novel line. Again, not their primary focus, not their primary target audience, an experimental line where authors/artists can experiment with random ideas.

DC has released hundreds/thousands of floppies/TPB's/HC's/omnis/absolutes over the past 5+ years. Mentioning 2 TPB's does not in any way, shape or form signify that DC comics are "infested" with "SJW" crap.



The CW does not = DC publishing. Entirely different companies and entities. I don't even watch or care about the Batwoman show.
Who are DC publishing's newest superheroes?

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Its DC my friend. they could call it dc rebirth, dc tampon, dc jesus its all dc. and that's what people see.

Sorry after seeing that DC trailer, i could give zero shits about any of there products anymore. Absolute deplorable. And it will absolutely not translate with anybody else in the western world besides some mental ill sjw's in the US that think they matter even remotely.

All the super hero trash they created is just laughable.

Here first link

Gotham-Defenders-Bluebird.jpg


replacement for Nightwing in the Bat Family, Harper Row’s alter ego has grown into much more than a superhero substitute. Bluebird might have the color scheme of Nightwing, but she has the scrappiness of Jason Todd, the tech know-how of Batgirl, and the determination of Damian Wayne’s Robin. Bluebird is the distillation of several more established Bat Family characters into one original package.

Hey batman look i am bette then everybody, i am a girl batman with guns yay.

Trash.

Next.

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Did we already not have a terminator frost? oh its a chick now. Angry western woman super powerful hero guys.

Next

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Another SJW looking female batman.

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Oh look black power needs to slap that white male hard to get things done!!!!! do you feel the power little patrick that wants to buy a comic?

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Jesus christ how many batwomans do you need?

Superwoman-Lana-Lang-Comic.jpg


Dont'worry we got superwoman now for you guys! i bet she's angry also at white man all day long.

It goes on and on and on like this.

I bet little jimmy wants to read up on all those amazing batman bootleg characters that are awsome!!!

Or is it builded for some mental ill soys like this guy? that will not buy it anyway because they are probably watching/reading some 2000 year old dragon lady's in japan.

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Meanwhile woman they wanna reach are all watching this shit.

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And guys are all watching and reading this stuff

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Guy trying to help his sister and defend her + protect her and try to cure her. We can't have that in 2021 the woman needs to do that!.

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Oh look, not a group full mentally ill SJW's that have to fight bad white man and have to explain how there transgender peanut is great.

Or you know actually good series that aren't focused around sjw culture, but actually badass people that make sense in a world and motivate people to fucking fitness specially men. Because fuck ya i can become as strong as that bold guy!.


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Oh look girl has tits ans sexy legs oh no. Lots of brutal fights and scenes that are interesting to watch. hell there are mentally ill people in there but you know they don't sit in front of your face lecturing you 24/7.

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Or next one.

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Looks fun.

Oh my god, did i just see tits? NO WAY. U mean girl isn't the main character and starts to shit on guys 24/7? with a whole disco ball of genders and races combined because that's what counts guys!

Meanwhile DC

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Azurro

Banned
I Am Not Starfire is one graphic novel/TPB that hasn't even released (July 2021) yet and so can't be properly judged yet. You can judge the art work (which I think is cute) but that's about it. Their YA graphic novels are not their main focus, it's a subline for authors and artists to experiment with ideas, not aimed at their primary audience.
"Chinese Batman" is also part of the YA graphic novel line. Again, not their primary focus, not their primary target audience, an experimental line where authors/artists can experiment with random ideas.

DC has released hundreds/thousands of floppies/TPB's/HC's/omnis/absolutes over the past 5+ years. Mentioning 2 TPB's does not in any way, shape or form signify that DC comics are "infested" with "SJW" crap.

You asked for woke stuff, I gave you woke stuff, and I literally don't even follow comics and I heard of this stuff.

Why are you always trying to gaslight people by saying no woke stuff is going on and then hand wave it away when presented to you?
 

Corpsepyre

Banned
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Its DC my friend. they could call it dc rebirth, dc tampon, dc jesus its all dc. and that's what people see.

Sorry after seeing that DC trailer, i could give zero shits about any of there products anymore. Absolute deplorable. And it will absolutely not translate with anybody else in the western world besides some mental ill sjw's in the US that think they matter even remotely.

All the super hero trash they created is just laughable.

Here first link

Gotham-Defenders-Bluebird.jpg


replacement for Nightwing in the Bat Family, Harper Row’s alter ego has grown into much more than a superhero substitute. Bluebird might have the color scheme of Nightwing, but she has the scrappiness of Jason Todd, the tech know-how of Batgirl, and the determination of Damian Wayne’s Robin. Bluebird is the distillation of several more established Bat Family characters into one original package.

Hey batman look i am bette then everybody, i am a girl batman with guns yay.

Trash.

Next.

Suicide-Squad-Killer-Frost-Justice-League.jpg



Did we already not have a terminator frost? oh its a chick now. Angry western woman super powerful hero guys.

Next

defacer-nightwing-dc-rebirth.jpg


Another SJW looking female batman.

Flash-Rebirth-Fast-Track-Speedster.jpg


Oh look black power needs to slap that white male hard to get things done!!!!! do you feel the power little patrick that wants to buy a comic?

Batman-Rebirth-Gotham-Girl.jpg


Jesus christ how many batwomans do you need?

Superwoman-Lana-Lang-Comic.jpg


Dont'worry we got superwoman now for you guys! i bet she's angry also at white man all day long.

It goes on and on and on like this.

I bet little jimmy wants to read up on all those amazing batman bootleg characters that are awsome!!!

Or is it builded for some mental ill soys like this guy? that will not buy it anyway because they are probably watching/reading some 2000 year old dragon lady's in japan.

tenor.gif


Meanwhile woman they wanna reach are all watching this shit.

tenor.gif


And guys are all watching and reading this stuff

4754aa786ada71d0f4e04abe911dc6f9.gif


Guy trying to help his sister and defend her + protect her and try to cure her. We can't have that in 2021 the woman needs to do that!.

original.gif


Oh look, not a group full mentally ill SJW's that have to fight bad white man and have to explain how there transgender peanut is great.

Or you know actually good series that aren't focused around sjw culture, but actually badass people that make sense in a world and motivate people to fucking fitness specially men. Because fuck ya i can become as strong as that bold guy!.


opm-gif.gif


Oh look girl has tits ans sexy legs oh no. Lots of brutal fights and scenes that are interesting to watch. hell there are mentally ill people in there but you know they don't sit in front of your face lecturing you 24/7.

3d14873d5b979f091f200af61e07841b.png


Or next one.

one-piece-full-cast-header-image_7u4s.jpg


Looks fun.

Oh my god, did i just see tits? NO WAY. U mean girl isn't the main character and starts to shit on guys 24/7? with a whole disco ball of genders and races combined because that's what counts guys!

Meanwhile DC

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Holy Hell Wtf GIF by MOODMAN
 

DESTROYA

Member
DC is living in the past and will implode at some point because of it. Somebody get them a Weekly Shonen Jump.
They might suffer the same fate as WSJ and go all digital in the US.
I might be in the minority but much prefer printed media and once WSJ stopped printing in the US I was out and I was with them with issue 1 to the last
 
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Shouta

Member
It makes no sense that a product that is so similar ike manga sells multiple times the amount than comics do, there's a market there. It just tells you the product has been mismanaged and when looking at all the woke stuff the comics have been up to these last few years, it absolutely makes sense to say "get woke, go broke".

No, it doesn't make any sense to say "get woke, go broke" because comics have been on the decline since the 90s, long before any of the culture wars in recent years. Manga has been beating them for like 10+ years now too as I recall as well, so the downward decline has been a long time thing. Manga and Comics aren't the same market and don't have much if any appeal between their demographics at all either. It's just raw mismanagement in a declining industry with the inability to pivot to more lucrative formats and make it successful.
 
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sol_bad

Member
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Its DC my friend. they could call it dc rebirth, dc tampon, dc jesus its all dc. and that's what people see.

Sorry after seeing that DC trailer, i could give zero shits about any of there products anymore. Absolute deplorable. And it will absolutely not translate with anybody else in the western world besides some mental ill sjw's in the US that think they matter even remotely.

All the super hero trash they created is just laughable.

Here first link

Gotham-Defenders-Bluebird.jpg


replacement for Nightwing in the Bat Family, Harper Row’s alter ego has grown into much more than a superhero substitute. Bluebird might have the color scheme of Nightwing, but she has the scrappiness of Jason Todd, the tech know-how of Batgirl, and the determination of Damian Wayne’s Robin. Bluebird is the distillation of several more established Bat Family characters into one original package.

Hey batman look i am bette then everybody, i am a girl batman with guns yay.

Trash.

Next.

Suicide-Squad-Killer-Frost-Justice-League.jpg



Did we already not have a terminator frost? oh its a chick now. Angry western woman super powerful hero guys.

Next

defacer-nightwing-dc-rebirth.jpg


Another SJW looking female batman.

Flash-Rebirth-Fast-Track-Speedster.jpg


Oh look black power needs to slap that white male hard to get things done!!!!! do you feel the power little patrick that wants to buy a comic?

Batman-Rebirth-Gotham-Girl.jpg


Jesus christ how many batwomans do you need?

Superwoman-Lana-Lang-Comic.jpg


Dont'worry we got superwoman now for you guys! i bet she's angry also at white man all day long.

It goes on and on and on like this.

I bet little jimmy wants to read up on all those amazing batman bootleg characters that are awsome!!!

Or is it builded for some mental ill soys like this guy? that will not buy it anyway because they are probably watching/reading some 2000 year old dragon lady's in japan.

tenor.gif


Meanwhile woman they wanna reach are all watching this shit.

tenor.gif


And guys are all watching and reading this stuff

4754aa786ada71d0f4e04abe911dc6f9.gif


Guy trying to help his sister and defend her + protect her and try to cure her. We can't have that in 2021 the woman needs to do that!.

original.gif


Oh look, not a group full mentally ill SJW's that have to fight bad white man and have to explain how there transgender peanut is great.

Or you know actually good series that aren't focused around sjw culture, but actually badass people that make sense in a world and motivate people to fucking fitness specially men. Because fuck ya i can become as strong as that bold guy!.


opm-gif.gif


Oh look girl has tits ans sexy legs oh no. Lots of brutal fights and scenes that are interesting to watch. hell there are mentally ill people in there but you know they don't sit in front of your face lecturing you 24/7.

3d14873d5b979f091f200af61e07841b.png


Or next one.

one-piece-full-cast-header-image_7u4s.jpg


Looks fun.

Oh my god, did i just see tits? NO WAY. U mean girl isn't the main character and starts to shit on guys 24/7? with a whole disco ball of genders and races combined because that's what counts guys!

Meanwhile DC

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No idea what this site says but you obviously used a quick little Google search for this article.


Bluebird I don't know much about (didn't read Batman Eternal but vaguely remember her in Snyder's Batman) but based on image search there aren't many images of her and she seems to have given up her super hero job by the start of Rebirth. Your OK with Robin, Nightwing, Redhood and other "Batman bootleg" characters but not OK with a female with guns? What's your problem with Bluebird, her hair?
I'm not sure what you mean by her replacing Nightwing, Nightwing had his own actual comic which led into the Grayson comic. Do you mean because Bluebird was Batman's new side kick? Robin and Nightwing grew beyond being his sidekick, why would you keep them as his sidekick forever?
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Killer Frost has been around since the 70's. You don't like the Caitlin Snow version because of her hair again?
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Defacer, she is a side character and not someone DC is pushing as a main villain or superhero.
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Gotham Girl is pretty hot if you ask me. And she actually has super powers unlike Batman.
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Lana Lang Superwoman is pretty hot, not sure what your issue is. Supergirl OK, Superwoman not OK? Batwoman and Batgirl not OK? Spier-girl, Spider-Woman, Spider-Gwen all not OK?
What's your reasoning?
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Wife and I recently watched Demon Slayer and will see the movie next week. The show is OK but it's not amazing. I did not like how Tanjiro just randomly got new powers or abilities without any explanation to help kill his enemies. The structure of the show was really weird too, it ends with some downtime and lighthearted jokey training rather than building up to anything significant. The movie seems to be about a train heist, OK!

One Punch is fun, never watched One Piece. Bigger tits and bikini's doesn't = better characters.

Your issue seems to be a purely visual issue and not an actual characterisation issue.


You asked for woke stuff, I gave you woke stuff, and I literally don't even follow comics and I heard of this stuff.

Why are you always trying to gaslight people by saying no woke stuff is going on and then hand wave it away when presented to you?

Of course you have heard of it, you probably follow anti SJW websites and Youtube channels.

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Me gaslighting? You are the one gaslighting by trying to make people think comics are infested with SJW crap when it's really probably about 5 or 10% of the stuff produced out there.
 
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Azurro

Banned
No, it doesn't make any sense to say "get woke, go broke" because comics have been on the decline since the 90s, long before any of the culture wars in recent years. Manga has been beating them for like 10+ years now too as I recall as well, so the downward decline has been a long time thing. Manga and Comics aren't the same market and don't have much if any appeal between their demographics at all either. It's just raw mismanagement in a declining industry with the inability to pivot to more lucrative formats and make it successful.

It's the same market though, it makes no sense that one product is pleasing the audience and selling a lot and the other one doesn't. That just means it's getting mismanaged, whatever the cause may be. A lot of the readers seem angry at the SJW crap being inserted in them, so I'm speculating that could be the reason. Can't imagine a lot of people want to read stories about the fat emo girl or about those new superheroes they wanted to do, what was it? Safe Space or something like that?

Of course you have heard of it, you probably follow anti SJW websites and Youtube channels.

Comic book related content is like 1% of my youtube channel consumption, and that's being generous to be honest. Even Joe Rogan was laughing at this Safe Space and when you look it up, it's no wonder people don't want to buy comic books based on fat androgynous super heroes.

Again, you asked for woke content and I gave you woke content. That you have difficulties to recognise it is your issue, not mine.
 
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sol_bad

Member
Comic book related content is like 1% of my youtube channel consumption, and that's being generous to be honest. Even Joe Rogan was laughing at this Safe Space and when you look it up, it's no wonder people don't want to buy comic books based on fat androgynous super heroes.

Again, you asked for woke content and I gave you woke content. That you have difficulties to recognise it is your issue, not mine.

I can't say whether I Am Not Starfire and Gotham High are "SJW" as I haven't read them and don't intend to read them. To me, having a Chinese Batman, gay Alfred and a fat daughter of Starfire doesn't automatically make something SJW though. I'm happy to watch/read anything that has fat/skinny/white/black/brown/yellow/straight/gay/bi characters. I'm not sure why it would be an issue to be honest. You don't have to be gay, bi or fat to relate to a character. It's about life experiences, that's what you relate to.

And showing just 2 examples is just disingenuous, it's like saying the movie industry is infested with SJW crap and using Brokeback Mountain, The Danish Girl and Power Rangers as examples.
 

Shouta

Member
It's the same market though, it makes no sense that one product is pleasing the audience and selling a lot and the other one doesn't. That just means it's getting mismanaged, whatever the cause may be. A lot of the readers seem angry at the SJW crap being inserted in them, so I'm speculating that could be the reason. Can't imagine a lot of people want to read stories about the fat emo girl or about those new superheroes they wanted to do, what was it? Safe Space or something like that?

It's the same format but they're not appealing to the same crowds at all. It's like Romcoms and action flicks are both movies but the number of people willing to go to each type of film is vastly different. Comics are largely seen as super heroes only so there's a limited number of people interested compared to manga where it has titles of every genre widely available. Then there's style differences in narrative, presentation, humor, etc. The Social Justice stuff has only been a very recent pivot in the big picture of the comics industry and it's the topic for a lot of the old diehards that are still around. It could be argued that it's an issue in regards to content being produced right now but it's totally a boogeyman for the industry's health as a whole. Shit's been on decline long before they tried it. It hasn't helped at all so it's easy to blast the change in direction but it's missing the forest for the trees. I think quite a bit of it is cringe too but it's definitely not the reason comics are dying.

If there's any reason that comics are on the way out, it's because Americans just don't like reading. The fact that Marvel has been doing amazingly well for the last decade with their movies but that hasn't translated that to more comics sales should be indicative for that, lol
 

DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
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Its DC my friend. they could call it dc rebirth, dc tampon, dc jesus its all dc. and that's what people see.

Sorry after seeing that DC trailer, i could give zero shits about any of there products anymore. Absolute deplorable. And it will absolutely not translate with anybody else in the western world besides some mental ill sjw's in the US that think they matter even remotely.

All the super hero trash they created is just laughable.

Here first link

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replacement for Nightwing in the Bat Family, Harper Row’s alter ego has grown into much more than a superhero substitute. Bluebird might have the color scheme of Nightwing, but she has the scrappiness of Jason Todd, the tech know-how of Batgirl, and the determination of Damian Wayne’s Robin. Bluebird is the distillation of several more established Bat Family characters into one original package.

Hey batman look i am bette then everybody, i am a girl batman with guns yay.

Trash.

Next.

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Did we already not have a terminator frost? oh its a chick now. Angry western woman super powerful hero guys.

Next

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Another SJW looking female batman.

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Oh look black power needs to slap that white male hard to get things done!!!!! do you feel the power little patrick that wants to buy a comic?

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Jesus christ how many batwomans do you need?

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Dont'worry we got superwoman now for you guys! i bet she's angry also at white man all day long.

It goes on and on and on like this.

I bet little jimmy wants to read up on all those amazing batman bootleg characters that are awsome!!!

Or is it builded for some mental ill soys like this guy? that will not buy it anyway because they are probably watching/reading some 2000 year old dragon lady's in japan.

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Meanwhile woman they wanna reach are all watching this shit.

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And guys are all watching and reading this stuff

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Guy trying to help his sister and defend her + protect her and try to cure her. We can't have that in 2021 the woman needs to do that!.

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Oh look, not a group full mentally ill SJW's that have to fight bad white man and have to explain how there transgender peanut is great.

Or you know actually good series that aren't focused around sjw culture, but actually badass people that make sense in a world and motivate people to fucking fitness specially men. Because fuck ya i can become as strong as that bold guy!.


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Oh look girl has tits ans sexy legs oh no. Lots of brutal fights and scenes that are interesting to watch. hell there are mentally ill people in there but you know they don't sit in front of your face lecturing you 24/7.

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Or next one.

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Looks fun.

Oh my god, did i just see tits? NO WAY. U mean girl isn't the main character and starts to shit on guys 24/7? with a whole disco ball of genders and races combined because that's what counts guys!

Meanwhile DC

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You seriously don't know anything about comics... Much less DC...

First picture: There are multiple women in the Bat-Family... Like Orphan, Spoiler and Talon. Bluebird is just the newest one.

Second picture: Ummm... That's Killer Frost. She's always been a woman. You're thinking of Captain Cold.

3rd picture: I'm pretty sure that's an Elseworld's issue and not connected with main DC universe.

4th picture: that was during a run of The Flash where dozens of people (men and women) were given the same powers of Flash in Central City.

5th picture: that's Gotham Girl... Her story was weird but she wasn't a real member of the Bat-Family. She and Gotham (her brother) are both dead.

6th picture: SuperWoman was Lois Lane (ACTUALLY there were two of them... Lois and Lana Lang... It was after the New 52 started and they basically were Superman Blue and Superman Red ... Don't ask)... That's no longer a thing once Lois and Clark were reunited (literally).

Not gonna go into your anime whatever ... I'm not interested in anime/manga that much.. my daughter is a huge fan but still...

You take random pics of DC stuff (oddly all women) and pull storylines out of your derriere and think you're telling anyone something? Your point wasn't made because you don't know Jack!
 

Azurro

Banned
It's the same format but they're not appealing to the same crowds at all. It's like Romcoms and action flicks are both movies but the number of people willing to go to each type of film is vastly different. Comics are largely seen as super heroes only so there's a limited number of people interested compared to manga where it has titles of every genre widely available. Then there's style differences in narrative, presentation, humor, etc. The Social Justice stuff has only been a very recent pivot in the big picture of the comics industry and it's the topic for a lot of the old diehards that are still around. It could be argued that it's an issue in regards to content being produced right now but it's totally a boogeyman for the industry's health as a whole. Shit's been on decline long before they tried it. It hasn't helped at all so it's easy to blast the change in direction but it's missing the forest for the trees. I think quite a bit of it is cringe too but it's definitely not the reason comics are dying.

If there's any reason that comics are on the way out, it's because Americans just don't like reading. The fact that Marvel has been doing amazingly well for the last decade with their movies but that hasn't translated that to more comics sales should be indicative for that, lol

Well there's a few different things here, diversifying is a thing and comics should have done that a long time ago, instead of keeping the medium strictly about superheroes. Now, the medium has been in decline, yet superheroes have never been more popular, why is that? You mention things being on a decline, but I have been hearing about woke stuff making their way into the medium, as a way of legitimising whatever woke thing they want to do in the bigger mediums.

If the comic book industry is made up of die hards, don't you think that making everything "woke" had an effect? It's hardly surprising that an industry that depends on its diehard fans would suffer as a result. It's like the latest Terminator movie, it was complete woke garbage, and yet when that failed, everyone involved blamed it on the franchise.

I mean, even if Terminator isn't the strongest IP nowadays, the movie would have pulled much better numbers if the newest movie hadn't told the fanbase to fuck off because only female, androgynous characters and asexual Terminators are allowed.

And again, why is Manga doing so much better than comics? And it's not because the variety of content is super huge, the biggest sellers are still stories of people punching/slashing each other in creative ways. Maybe it's because the content is focused on telling interesting stories rather than pushing the narrative on which one is the latest superhero to have their race switched or their sexual orientation changed.
 
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DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
No idea what this site says but you obviously used a quick little Google search for this article.


Bluebird I don't know much about (didn't read Batman Eternal but vaguely remember her in Snyder's Batman) but based on image search there aren't many images of her and she seems to have given up her super hero job by the start of Rebirth. Your OK with Robin, Nightwing, Redhood and other "Batman bootleg" characters but not OK with a female with guns? What's your problem with Bluebird, her hair?
I'm not sure what you mean by her replacing Nightwing, Nightwing had his own actual comic which led into the Grayson comic. Do you mean because Bluebird was Batman's new side kick? Robin and Nightwing grew beyond being his sidekick, why would you keep them as his sidekick forever?
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Killer Frost has been around since the 70's. You don't like the Caitlin Snow version because of her hair again?
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Defacer, she is a side character and not someone DC is pushing as a main villain or superhero.
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Gotham Girl is pretty hot if you ask me. And she actually has super powers unlike Batman.
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Lana Lang Superwoman is pretty hot, not sure what your issue is. Supergirl OK, Superwoman not OK? Batwoman and Batgirl not OK? Spier-girl, Spider-Woman, Spider-Gwen all not OK?
What's your reasoning?
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Wife and I recently watched Demon Slayer and will see the movie next week. The show is OK but it's not amazing. I did not like how Tanjiro just randomly got new powers or abilities without any explanation to help kill his enemies. The structure of the show was really weird too, it ends with some downtime and lighthearted jokey training rather than building up to anything significant. The movie seems to be about a train heist, OK!

One Punch is fun, never watched One Piece. Bigger tits and bikini's doesn't = better characters.

Your issue seems to be a purely visual issue and not an actual characterisation issue.




Of course you have heard of it, you probably follow anti SJW websites and Youtube channels.

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Me gaslighting? You are the one gaslighting by trying to make people think comics are infested with SJW crap when it's really probably about 5 or 10% of the stuff produced out there.

You did a better job than I did! Took me an hour to type all that between my last break and clocking out early from work.
 

DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
Btw... I forgot ... Chinese Bat-Man is a thing... Or was... Not sure if it's still around... He was part of the Chinese Justice League... Fascinating storyline. Reminded me of PART of Red Son ... When the government made a homegrown Green lantern corps
 

Dacon

Banned
This is what happens when you link unverified sources, especially terrible hottake Youtubers. Wait for actual credible sources before y'all start arguing.

EVS isn't just "some hottake youtuber" he's a famous artist known for his work on DC's properties(Mostly Green Lantern) and is connected to many of the people that still work there.

He was right about DC's recent bloodbath of firings too.
 
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