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Older games that were considered good but you can't stand to play them again.

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
So earlier today I was playing Revenge of Shinobi (Sega Genesis) for the first time in like 20 years.
I remember loving this game. Not a bad title at all.

God, I couldn't of been happier to have finished that piece of shit.

So much cheap everything.
The only thing I enjoyed the most was fighting bosses. Level layout and enemy placement has to be some of the WORST decisions i've ever seen.
I don't know how I tolerated such nonsense when I was a teenager but good god this aged like fine wine made out of milk.

Has an otherwise "good/great/liked" game recently left a bad taste in your mouth upon a revisit?
Great game. One of the first games I got, so I had the original version with Godzilla and superhero bosses. Hard game too. Had trouble beating that game. I think I only beat it with the roof crushing the girlfriend. Had problems beating the final boss. And since it was a decently long game ad no stage select, I didn't have patience slogging through over and over again.

I didn't know Sega switched them until I read that on the internet in the early 2000s. lol
 
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amigastar

Member
The shooting was rough even when it launched. The soundtrack is so good though. I wonder if playing it from the overhead view would improve the combat.
yeah, soundtrack is like in all gta games godly.
 
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SCB3

Member
Agreed. Was going to replay all the games, but only got part of the way through the first game when I realized what a slog it is. Screw Atlantis. Screw Wonderland. Screw Hundred Acre Woods. Screw most of the crappy designed worlds.
KH2 still holds up, its a massive improvement over the first one, 3 on the other hand is proving to be a slog after finishing the rest and absorbing so much story
 

Dr.Morris79

Member
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All these years, it still gets me.
 
The only old games I've played recently that I used to really like are Streets of Rage 2 and Symphony of the Night. Unfortunately neither held up well. SotN in particular used to be a top 20 GOAT game for me but it definitely isn't anymore.
 
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JLB

Banned
Goldeneye, Tomb Raider PS1, Battlefront PS2, Knight of the old republic, mass effect 1, tenchu...

There's too many to list. Nostalgia is a helluva drug.

Yup, all of them indeed. Maybe Mass Effect 1 is still great, but just barely.
Goldeneye is freaking unplayable. Cant understand how I played so much of it back in the day.
 

Danjin44

The nicest person on this forum
I loved .hack//G.U. and I sill do but daaaaaamn the dungeons and the combat system aged terribly, its soooooooo repetitive that it makes the Persona 3's dungeons in Tartarus seems like hand crafted in comparison.
 

SpiceRacz

Member
Shinobi III is better, but yea, I know where you're coming from. Some games are better left in the past and never to be played again.
 

wolywood

Member
Booted up Mass Effect 1 for PC recently since I got the $1 EA Play deal from Steam....couldn't make it more than 30 minutes. Too damn clunky. Really looking forward to the remaster though.
 

ahmyleg

Banned
Goldeneye, Tomb Raider PS1, Battlefront PS2, Knight of the old republic, mass effect 1, tenchu...

There's too many to list. Nostalgia is a helluva drug.
I'm 32 and I played through Tomb Raider 1 on PS1 for the first time a few years ago and I...kind of enjoyed it, actually. Dated as hell, of course, but it was satisfying to climb something after falling so many times.
 
Most games I liked as a child, I continue to like. Specially 8-16 bits platformers.

It is not nostalgia, I like the school of thought these games have. What people call "cheap" I call enemy pattern recognition, level memorization and optimizing your movements.

Most modern action games I like have a similar approach in game design. Dark Souls for exemple. All odds are against the player, you are supposed to die and learn from it.
This is a pretty good post, and where I stand. That's why in my post above, I only singled out Super Mario Kart as a game I previously liked as a kid, but don't like on recent playthroughs.

I can back up/agree with your point about it not being nostalgia -- I'm actually playing 8/16/32 bit games that are new to me in 2021, and I'm really enjoying them. And enjoying them a lot more than recently released games. So... *shrug*
 

Rickyiez

Member
Hated most of the SNES platformer back then, and continues to hate them nowadays.

Meanwhile good PS1 games are mostly still enjoyable.
 
I Can't fuck with Ninja Gaiden's camera now. I have no idea how I even got use to it back then. I remember I loved that game so much.
 

Sejan

Member
Any of the horror classics with tank controls. I can't imagine picking up Resident Evil, Eternal Darkness, or the like ever again because of how much I hate the controls (I am aware that RE has rereleased with control options that are actually sane).
 

Pejo

Member
I'll just sum it up and say early 32 bit 3D platformers. I just can't get past the (mostly) floaty jumping and super low-poly graphics. Mario 64 was close to fitting this category too, but the gameplay was so good that it gets a pass. Plus the DS remake was pretty good.
 

Jigsaah

Gold Member
I tried to go back to Star Wars Jedi Academy recently on Steam...it's like a keepsake now, but jeez was the gameplay janky af. They still have pretty active multiplayer too which was fun for a time. I still don't understand the randomness of the light saber combat. First Person in the game was probably decent for the time, but now just....no.
 

GymWolf

Member
All the games in my top 10 list kinda play great even today.

Even stuff like parasite eve 1 still has a fresh combat system for example and stuff like symphony of the night still beat the ass of the majority (if not all) of modern metroidvania games.
 

sublimit

Banned
Good games will always be good games.Just like bad games will always temain bad.

But gamers that where once good and skillful can very easily become bad and spoiled.
 
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retsof624

Member
I tried to play GTA IV on my XSX since it runs at 60fps, but I dropped it a few hours in. It was the first time that I really played it since GTA V came out. R* games have always had shitty controls but GTA V and RDR2 have really improved on the movement compared to games before GTA IV.
 
I tried to go back to Star Wars Jedi Academy recently on Steam...it's like a keepsake now, but jeez was the gameplay janky af. They still have pretty active multiplayer too which was fun for a time. I still don't understand the randomness of the light saber combat. First Person in the game was probably decent for the time, but now just....no.


The combat is the opposite of random :) It might just be the best mellee in a game. The most depth anyway. Watch this, its only 4 minutes

 

NeoIkaruGAF

Gold Member
Problems with many old games when you’re no more used to them:

- there’s actually very little to do, or what you have to do isn’t particularly creative and/or it’s very repetitive. I’ve always had trouble enjoying 16-bit platformers that I didn’t play at the time because, compared to the best ones, most of them feel like blatant copycats with poor design and no inspiration.

- it isn’t always clear what to do. Reading the manual was essential for most games.

- they’re unforgiving, requiring a degree of precision many modern games (even Souls) don’t. There’s barely a margin for error.

- no free camera. Getting back to Ocarina of Time (even the 3DS version) or GC Metroid Prime always requires a period of adjustment. The need for camera movement becomes almost physical when you’re used to it.

Many good old games can still be good if you’re willing to take some time to adjust. Like I said, replaying the old Tomb Raider games isn’t that bad when the worst thing about the PS versions - loading times - is cancelled thanks to modern hardware. There’s some amazing level design to be found there, still today. But games like, say, Pandemonium!, I find completely unplayable today. God knows I’ve tried, that was the type of game I’d fawn over back then.

And then, well, some games are rendered so utterly obsolete by their sequels, going back to them feels like a waste of time. Going back to a quite recent game like Mario Kart 7 after MK8 was shocking to me. The game isn’t old by any means, but it felt like utter dogshit after the glory that is 8.
 
The combat is the opposite of random :) It might just be the best mellee in a game. The most depth anyway. Watch this, its only 4 minutes


People will never understand how far the combat in the JK Outcast/Academy games went if you really learned it. Bro when I was a kid I used to play on Microsofts 'Gaming Zone' and I remember competing in ladders and such against others in the older JKDark Forces 2
 
Light saber shiver? really!? How do people figure this stuff out?
Man we were playing tons of matches on those games back then and had to literally learn how to deal with playing against people who had 56K modems and slow DSL. I learned how to count/manage lag in a game in those horrible conditions to where it made me a beast in other games like Unreal Tournament, Quake 3, and so on. Helps me now too with my timing
 

CatLady

Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Morrowind - waiting for Skywind and will play day 1 when it is released but I just can't do Morrowind anymore.

I love Morrowind and I understand it got upgraded for the 1X, but the game is such a pain to play.

With the outstanding BackCompat on Xbox I normally have less than zero interest in remasters or remakes, but now that Bethesda is owned by Xbox I hope maybe someday we'll get a remake of Morrowind with modern gaming QoL enhancements.
 

johntown

Banned
I love Morrowind and I understand it got upgraded for the 1X, but the game is such a pain to play.

With the outstanding BackCompat on Xbox I normally have less than zero interest in remasters or remakes, but now that Bethesda is owned by Xbox I hope maybe someday we'll get a remake of Morrowind with modern gaming QoL enhancements.
My biggest issue is quest markers. I just don't have the paitence to try and figure out or go hunting for things.

I would LOVE proper remasters of Fallout 3, Oblivion and Morrowind. I know their previous rationale behind not doing it was to let all the modders do it (like Skywind). It would nice even of they did it exclusive for just Xbox/PC. Until then I have to wait for Skywind.
 

DonkeyPunchJr

World’s Biggest Weeb
Some old JRPGs are borderline unplayable now.

E.g. Lunar: The Silver Star was one of my favorites back in the day. I recently went back to it and was shocked how poorly it aged. Random encounter rate is very high and the battles are slow and boring as hell. Plus the music (which is incredible) restarts after every battle, so you’ll only hear the first ~10 seconds of each song unless you let it idle for awhile.

the first 2 Persona games are a couple others that suffer from those problems.
 

CatLady

Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
My biggest issue is quest markers. I just don't have the paitence to try and figure out or go hunting for things.

I would LOVE proper remasters of Fallout 3, Oblivion and Morrowind. I know their previous rationale behind not doing it was to let all the modders do it (like Skywind). It would nice even of they did it exclusive for just Xbox/PC. Until then I have to wait for Skywind.
OMG I forgot about quest markers. Morrowind isn't some little linear JRPG, and yeah the lack of quest markers are another Pain in the ass in Morrowind.

I was mainly complaining about getting around Morrowind and horrible inventory management. More than once I made the trek across Morrowind which takes forever w/o decent fast travel, to turn in a book that would complete a quest only to realize I'd sold it.

BTW - what exactly IS Skywind? I saw the other day it's made by modders and coming to Xbox but I don't really know much about it.
 

Fbh

Member
You know, as much as I love them I do find it hard going back to older JRPG's with slow battles and random encounters.
Like I love the world, music and characters of FFIX, but I'd honestly struggle to go back to it if the modern ports didn't have the option to speed things up.
 

Allandor

Member
Tomb Raider 1-3
These were so good games when they were out. But I just can't play or enjoy them anymore in their original form. Controls have just evolved and standing in the (more or less) perfect right spot to climb up is just no longer a thing.

Good that at least from part 1 there is a complete remaster. But I'm missing part 2 & 3
 

smbu2000

Member
Diablo 2

I've been thinking about it since the remake announcement; Diablo 2 was great, probably one of the games I've spent the most time playing. But all the gameplay mechanics are super antiquated by today's standards, it has aged atrociously, and it's not a matter of shiny graphics (or lack thereof). I don't think I'd be able to enjoy the original anymore, nor the remake. :(
I just replayed Diablo 1 and 2 last year and had a lot of fun with both of them.
The game I have no interest in going back to is Diablo 3.
 

johntown

Banned
OMG I forgot about quest markers. Morrowind isn't some little linear JRPG, and yeah the lack of quest markers are another Pain in the ass in Morrowind.

I was mainly complaining about getting around Morrowind and horrible inventory management. More than once I made the trek across Morrowind which takes forever w/o decent fast travel, to turn in a book that would complete a quest only to realize I'd sold it.

BTW - what exactly IS Skywind? I saw the other day it's made by modders and coming to Xbox but I don't really know much about it.
Skywind is Morrowid rebuilt in Skyrim's game engine (the x64 version). You need to own both games to play and basically modders import all of Morrowind into Skyrim and re-create it with updated models and textures. Quest markers are hard coded into Skyrim so they come with Skywind. I asked the devs about quest markers and they said once they release the final version it will be off by default but if you want it on you can manually turn it on. It has been in development for years check it out
 

Lethal01

Member
Mass Effect.

I'd take playing most well-regarded n64 or snes era games over it.

The top games of earlier gens have aged far better in general.
 
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