So an internet forum thenHe doesn't know anything. He's just pandering to one segment of fans and telling them what they want to hear for forum clout.
So an internet forum thenHe doesn't know anything. He's just pandering to one segment of fans and telling them what they want to hear for forum clout.
That is a point. I’m not sure. Could it be they didn’t want their name on a day one gamepass game? Or is MLB slowly moving away from Sony. We will find out I guess.Obviously Sony agreed to some kind of publishing agreement for the Xbox port. They accepted whatever those terms were a year or two ago.
The only thing unusual about the whole thing is why didn't Sony just publish the game themselves via SIE. MS has published games on other platforms, it's not a big deal.
Depends on the licensing dealBecause it makes no sense. If Sony developed the game, MLB can’t go and publish it elsewhere without Sony’s permission or they’d have done it by now. It’s business.
Because people are more than just gamers and people who only play and care about the most beneficial for them.I hate replies like this. Why should anyone care how much money Sony or Microsoft makes? Just because Sony can get away with it doesn’t mean it’s the right thing to do for their consumers.
Because it makes no sense. If Sony developed the game, MLB can’t go and publish it elsewhere without Sony’s permission or they’d have done it by now. It’s business.
I'm sorry, I have a PS5 since launch and there's no games to play. I've been playing PS4 games this past 5 months.He gets too much heat. Sony are still killing it in terms of great games being put out on PS5 - what are Xbox doing in that regard? I'm yet to see anything I would class as a colossal fuck up by Jim. I lose no sleep over a baseball game.
He doesn't know anything. He's just pandering to one segment of fans and telling them what they want to hear for forum clout.
Without giving a penny to Sony? Sony would need to be the biggest mugs on the planet to sit there and take that.Do you know what publishing means? It means MLB paid for an Xbox port which they then own the rights to and can do whatever they want with.
How can we know?
Aren't there contracts where a developer is payed a fixed amount instead of a per-sale deal?
Disco Elysium came out 4 days ago. Returnal is out in 4 weeks. If you're really gonna complain about the lack of games during the launch window of a game console during a pandemic, you probably shouldn't have bought the console.I'm sorry, I have a PS5 since launch and there's no games to play. I've been playing PS4 games this past 5 months.
Shrewd and calculated move by Phil Spencer.
Game being published by MLB meant he could go directly to them and negotiate the Game Pass deal. He was able to effectively bypass Sony as they had no say in the matter (not being the publisher). Kudos to him for seeing and seizing on the opportunity.
Now obviously Sony had to know about the deal and they're obviously getting paid but they effectively had no say on the matter. This is one instance where money doesn't matter as much as optics. If they had a say this would never had happened as they're now facing a massive backslash and taking a nightmarish PR hit. No amount of money can make up for that.
I honestly think they will put this on PSNow so it looks better. PSNow doesn't have that many subscribers so it isn't going to effect their sales much, but would still fix the optics problem. LOL
Sure, let's blame everything on the pandemic, nice excuse. Why people keep bringing up Disco Elysium? Do you realize that game came out in 2019? Returnal looks like an indie game. There's no triple AAA game coming out in a long time. The only game you might look forward to is Ratchet and Clank.Disco Elysium came out 4 days ago. Returnal is out in 4 weeks. If you're really gonna complain about the lack of games during the launch window of a game console during a pandemic, you probably shouldn't have bought the console.
So the issue is your taste in games, not the actual content they're putting out then? Oddworld and Destruction Allstars are both free games. You gonna play either of them? Compare Sony's output with the competition, lets see how they've been faring during the pandemic in terms of 1st party output. With TLOU2 and GoT, Sony comes out on top handsomely.Sure, let's blame everything on the pandemic, nice excuse. Why people keep bringing up Disco Elysium? Do you realize that game came out in 2019? Returnal looks like an indie game. There's no triple AAA game coming out in a long time. The only game you might look forward to is Ratchet and Clank.
Not taste, quality. Those games are free because they couldn't even sell them if they wanted to.So the issue is your taste in games, not the actual content they're putting out then? Oddworld and Destruction Allstars are both free games. You gonna play either of them? Compare Sony's output with the competition, lets see how they've been faring during the pandemic in terms of 1st party output. With TLOU2 and GoT, Sony comes out on top handsomely.
Where can you get it for $1 for a year?Mate I buy my games. I don't want them attached to a service I have to keep paying for to play.
I'm clearly talking about on PlayStation. They don't want to lose billions when Sony has finally turned things around after the ps3 gen nearly put them out of business.
Paying to own games on PlayStation is good. The likes of god of war, horizon, TLOU, ghost of tsutshima, gran tourismo and ratchet are worth buying day 1 and if not they get really generous sales after launch.
Nintendo are the same obviously minus the generous sale prices. I don't expect them to turn into a charity where I get all that day 1 for $1 a year.
MS do that because like I said they've lost so much relevance. Destroyed last gen and this gen the sales are going the same way. Ps5 is in far higher demand.
Idk, that would be a huge loss. They would have to refund pre-orders too. At least with Xbox they are getting paid.I have a feeling this is going to push Sony to release the game on ps now. Which would be good for ps now.
Good job gamepass such a great dealIt was way back in 06. It was mlb license was available to Sony,Msoft and Nintendo after 2k deal expired. EA for nfl and 2k had the 3rd party MLB until around 2011. That was the turning point in video game history for sports. It shifted everything and nothing has been the same since. Just like PES losing rights and being the better game. Konami makes a superior pro baseball game that is Japanese only. It’s a better engine than SDS. Oh well.
Edit: I meant too that EA would swoop in or even take2. As soon as they were allowed
But EA had the most incredible baseball engine ever. Even when they got the nfl deal, their game was inferior to 2k.
Pennies a month. It’s a no brainerGood job gamepass such a great deal
Eh
Yeah, just like the Bethesda acquisition & BC & Japan studio shutting down while Microsoft is growing their own Japanese one’s while Sony’s other subsidiary (Namely Sony music Japan) are either making exclusive games for the Switch (Emiya family) or completely multiplatform games (Kimetsu no Yaiba), overlapping the entire Sony gaming business with absolutely zero synergies or collaborative efforts like every single gaming company out there
lets face it, this whole shitshow pretty much began with this
While the deal itself was good (as azure is competent for gaming) Keep in mind that SIE executives (PlayStation executives) were completely blindsided by this shitty deal, so there’s a big chance that Phil Spencer (who worked hard on The gaming aspect of Azure since 2014) was pretty much present in that deal that sealed the fate of the PS brand, WHILE NONE OF PS EXECUTIVES WERE (Which is why i think Shawn Layden left)
The reason why Sony Corp HQ in Japan did this was probably either that
1-Sony’s New CEO Kenichiro Yoshida wanted SIE to move on from Platform making into eventually becoming 3rd Party.
OR
2- He’s Seriously the most Spineless CEO I’ve ever seen lmao.
Source : https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...microsoft-blindsided-its-own-playstation-team
Sony is fine. This doom and gloom talk is silly.I‘m kind of out of the loop with what all is going on. Not sure what the dates in the picture mean so when I tried to click on the article it is behind a paywall.
Anyone able to summarize why the Playstation brand is in “trouble”?
I’m ticked with the PSN store going away and started poking around the gaming section here and it led me down the rabbit hole to this thread.
Sony is fine. This doom and gloom talk is silly.
Lol publishing rights do not work like that however since MLB owns the MLB trademark band such that gives them right to do whatever they want with it in that regard. If Sony didn't want to develop the game anymore MLB would have to contract another develop and use another name for the game and not "MLB the show"Do you know what publishing means? It means MLB paid for an Xbox port which they then own the rights to and can do whatever they want with.
That's the same idiot whining about layoffs at Bethesda. Layoffs that haven't occurred. Or may never occur. But you can bet if one person leaves, he'll be shouting about how MS ruined another company.Ok. Btw. i've never said that MLB will never appear on GP, just showed my doubt about it. Two different things.
Anyway. Just precisely what i've expected. Sony will get a cut from this deal, but they didn't negotiate it.
They blame everything on the pandemic. Dualsense controllers breaking? Pandemic. An OS feature list that took huge steps backwards from last gen? Pandemic. No storage increase options available? Pandemic. No cold storage of PS5 games? Pandemic. Requiring PS+ to backup game saves? Pandemic. Only a fraction of the media apps making their way from PS4 to PS5? Pandemic. Coil whine and fan noise? Obviously the pandemic's fault.Sure, let's blame everything on the pandemic, nice excuse. Why people keep bringing up Disco Elysium? Do you realize that game came out in 2019? Returnal looks like an indie game. There's no triple AAA game coming out in a long time. The only game you might look forward to is Ratchet and Clank.
Wait, they still haven't fixed that?They blame everything on the pandemic. Dualsense controllers breaking? Pandemic. An OS feature list that took huge steps backwards from last gen? Pandemic. No storage increase options available? Pandemic. No cold storage of PS5 games? Pandemic. Requiring PS+ to backup game saves? Pandemic. Only a fraction of the media apps making their way from PS4 to PS5? Pandemic. Coil whine and fan noise? Obviously the pandemic's fault.
No, and it won't be fixed because it's by design. They claim allowing cold storage presents a piracy risk. Never mind the competition has figured out a way to do it.Wait, they still haven't fixed that?
So I get the 1 month subscription for 1 dollar and I can purchase Outriders for 20% less?Exactly. You rent full-games (not demos) and if you really like a game, they give you the option to buy it, with a 20% discount. How can anyone be against that?
Yes, but if you're playing Outriders, you obviously have Xbox Live, which means you can convert all of your Xbox Live subscription time into Game Pass Ultimate for a dollar (up to 3 years).So I get the 1 month subscription for 1 dollar and I can purchase Outriders for 20% less?
Well, one thing is not having permission to publish it in Xbox, which I'm sure Sony knew because they developed the game. Another thing entirely is them having a deal where they were payed to develop or having a deal where they got money per copy sold. That's what we don't know.Because it makes no sense. If Sony developed the game, MLB can’t go and publish it elsewhere without Sony’s permission or they’d have done it by now. It’s business.
Have you worked out the cost ?Pennies a month. It’s a no brainer
I would be more inclined to buy a ps5 with backwards compatibility that would be there for next gen if promised...I'm not buying shit 6 times.Yeah I agree, that is why I put trouble in quotes.
But I am trying to understand the concern.
I get it with MLB the show, and how it is now part of Gamepass where it is a game developed by Sony. And I’m part of the minority who cares about the pre PS4 gen games no longer being available to buy, even if I know it won’t affect Sony. But for me, who loves gaming back to the PSOne, it sucks.
I guess I’m wondering if there is anything else I’m missing.
I have a feeling this is going to push Sony to release the game on ps now. Which would be good for ps now.
Idk, that would be a huge loss. They would have to refund pre-orders too. At least with Xbox they are getting paid.
Kinda funny you say penny’s a month, work out the upgrade cost and it’s the same as PSnow a yearPennies a month. It’s a no brainer
Yep i brought this up yesterday. Sony has shown they can be bullied into launching gamepass exclusives on other consoles by fucking MLB. Marvel is taking notes.Yo, if this was MLB...what's stopping Marvel from demanding the same for a future Spiderman games?
There is a lot more demand for Spiderman than MLB as a brand, so i would suspect Marvel would have an even a stronger position to bargain from, not to mention, Marvel has no interest in keeping Spiderman games exclusives.
Really looks like we might have Imsomiac doing multiplat Spiderman games with Sony's money in the future.
Licensing deal for spiderman games is probably different. Don't know if it's a perpetual license but if so, it gives Sony the power to keep that character effectively exclusive.Yo, if this was MLB...what's stopping Marvel from demanding the same for a future Spiderman games?
There is a lot more demand for Spiderman than MLB as a brand, so i would suspect Marvel would have an even a stronger position to bargain from, not to mention, Marvel has no interest in keeping Spiderman games exclusives.
Really looks like we might have Imsomiac doing multiplat Spiderman games with Sony's money in the future.
Yep i brought this up yesterday. Sony has shown they can be bullied into launching gamepass exclusives on other consoles by fucking MLB. Marvel is taking notes.
If Marvel doesn't do this, their shareholders will ask why. It's a no brainer at this point.
Sony has movie rights, those game rights were like a miracle and is hanging by a thread. Before this it was a firm thread i would of believed because of how successful the game was but now...now Marvel can ask why MLB can and they don't. AFAIK at least, anyone it's welcome to correct me if there is info suggesting Sony secured Spiderman game rights somehow.Licensing deal for spiderman games is probably different. Don't know if it's a perpetual license but if so, it gives Sony the power to keep that character effectively exclusive.
If only Sony had a rewards program that let me earn enough points each month to negate the entire cost. It’s hard to complain about Game Pass when it’s essentially free.Kinda funny you say penny’s a month, work out the upgrade cost and it’s the same as PSnow a year
Why would they have to refund preorders if that happens? Wtf. Did xbox refund preorders when it was announced for gamepass? PSNow is just gamepass for playstation.Idk, that would be a huge loss. They would have to refund pre-orders too. At least with Xbox they are getting paid.
Well that’s Sony’s fault, Microsoft do some amazing offers like that to get you to try it outIf only Sony had a rewards program that let me earn enough points each month to negate the entire cost. It’s hard to complain about Game Pass when it’s essentially free.