paulyboy81
Neo Member
Genuinely curious, has anyone found examples of lower geometry detail in the Series X version (or by extension, higher in the PS5) aside from a lightbulb in a cutscene?
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[IGN] Outriders PlayStation vs Xbox vs PC Performance Review
DJ12
Member
The filtering is not as good on series x, pick any point more than a third up the picture and it's clear to see., which is why the picture was posted. It wasn't posted for your benefit if you don't believe the filtering is broken on PC and Series X|S, but there's 2 or 3 before the image was posted stating for a fact it was.
Series X has advantages over PC in that setting for sure, particularly with vegetation and tessellation, but filtering is not the same at all and it's disingenuous to suggest it is.
Riky
$MSFT
Oh ffs, you coward. You spend post after post saying things like "running as designed", then you get a chance to put your money where your mouth is and you run off screaming "NO YOU". "NO YOUR SQUAD".
How the hell you wimp out of a ban bet when you've been showing such bravado, but have the balls to talk about being an adult under these circumstances I do not know.
assurdum
Banned
Though I edited my post I never say texture were different eh. Just look worse on series X.
Mr Moose
Member
Didn't performance go down after the patch on PS5? I am too lazy to find the video, I know it did with Assassin's Creed Vahalla because Ubisoft are useless.Performance actually went up when they patched the settings bug.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
AF looks the same. PC contrast is jacked way up giving a sharper look.
DJ12
Member
Your recollection is as fuzzy as the images you create from youtube videos.Performance actually went up when they patched the settings bug.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
At oblique angles. Be specific or you are wrong.
assurdum
Banned
Dat 0,27 of difference. Higher CUs push to the extreme the average fps on series X I guess. Oh sure you don't look to the average just to the FPS spike which happens occasionally on series X too eh, just look to the curve in the line, is not that tough. But as alwaysPerformance actually went up when they patched the settings bug.
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Riky
$MSFT
The NX Gamer breakdown tells you this if you bother to watch it and not just make things up.
assurdum
Banned
when the texture are horrible to look?
From my post you quoted. What is it wrong in my sentence? Texture are horrible to look on series X compared ps5. That's all I said..
Riky
$MSFT
Dont know, dont care. I play 120fps with VRR on Xbox.
DJ12
Member
lol.
I do hope you aren't actually an adult.
Demo was released, had worse filtering, retail version was released, still had worse filtering despite other things being improved, day 1 patch released, STILL the filtering is worse.
How can it not be by design as in a choice made by the developers, you mental midget?
If they change it tomorrow, it won't change that fact. So putting my account on the line, if I was as immature as you, would prove what exactly?
Do grow up.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
Only when viewed at oblique angles. At right angles they look exactly the same.
assurdum
Banned
I don't like to persist but it's not just the angle, in some spots texture seems really less detailed even if it is just AF the cause (though I'm not entirely convinced is just that)
Look the texture more close to the screen seems worse mip mapping too imo.
I suspect also it uses dynamic AF on series X because it's not so evident in every spot. Crysis on PS3 did the same to save perfomance and PS3 has splitted bandwidth. I don't think it's a coincidence.
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Werewolfgrandma
Banned
Your fanboy brain is just playing tricks on you.I don't like to persist but it's not just the angle, in some spots texture seems really less detailed even if it is just AF the cause (though I'm not entirely convinced is just that)
Look the texture more close to the screen seems worse mip mapping too imo.
assurdum
Banned
You really accuse someone to be fanboy? Really?
You passed the whole thread to post it's just the angle, it's just AF, when no, it's not just AF. There are more specular effects also, if you look to the texture more close to the camera, zoom on it before to lose your mind just because you won't hear other reasons
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Werewolfgrandma
Banned
Yes sir.You really accuse someone to be fanboy? Really?
assurdum
Banned
Relax dude and abandons the high of your throne; you aren't exactly in the good position to accuse someone of anything looking at your post history. If you want discuss about tech aspects you are welcome but you are not new to adopt such arrogant attitude when you haven't other argumentations.
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DJ12
Member
Utter rubbish.
Contrast is not going to add details that filtering or lack there of is wiping out.
There are parts of the image where the filtering looks virtually identical, specifically before the dead body on the mound just near the big rock on the left. Surely if the PC just had higher contrast, which it doesn't, it has better filtering, but lets play devils advocate here, shouldn't the contrast induced extra sharpness be consistent throughout the image?
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
Haha quote one post for me please.
assurdum
Banned
Just an example but there are other posts where you like to spit out personal judgment from the high of who knows what but sure it's not easy to extrapolate from the message board
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SyluxPT
Neo Member
Talking about performance, on Xbox Series X the game has some graphical artifacts "fireworks" across some scenes.
Anyone has the same issue? Is it a software or hardware issue?
Here's my video: Outriders - Series X Artifacting
Anyone has the same issue? Is it a software or hardware issue?
Here's my video: Outriders - Series X Artifacting
DJ12
Member
I must have stopped listening when he said series x is much closer to the PS5 but still doesn't match it as the PS5 has longer draw distances, sharper textures, and better filtering into the distance.
Plus ZERO VRS making everything just look bad.
But I think you should stop bringing up Dirt 5 in every thread, it doesn't prove what you think it does.
Who knows though, version 4 might finally get everything to match? It's pretty good on my PC now, just wish they would allow the option to turn off VRS.
Stuart360
Member
Dude dont go there. I agree with your point about cherry picking these framerate screens, but that is what we have had in the vast majority of comparison threads sicne launch, and by Sony fans cherry picking the screens usually.Dat 0,27 of difference. Higher CUs push to the extreme the average fps on series X I guess. Oh sure you don't look to the average just to the FPS spike which happens occasionally on series X too eh, just look to the curve in the line, is not that tough. But as always
They even tried to cherry pick that Hitman 3 part in that comparison vid where the XSX version droped to 35fps for a split second while ADS's that gun, and it only happened once when ADSing, but no the 'XSX version drops to 35fps'.
Jaysen
Banned
You very clearly do. It’s fucking hilarious.
excuse me sir, do you have any of those symptoms?
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
It certainly does. Learn what contrast can do to an image. I currently am it for a walk with my dog but I'll dig into this post more later.
That post is 100% fact.
Physiognomonics
Member
Yes I still don't know what's happening on Xbox. It could be low AF, or something else, or a combination of low AF and something else.I don't like to persist but it's not just the angle, in some spots texture seems really less detailed even if it is just AF the cause (though I'm not entirely convinced is just that)
Look the texture more close to the screen seems worse mip mapping too imo.
I suspect also it uses dynamic AF on series X because it's not so evident in every spot. Crysis on PS3 did the same to save perfomance and PS3 has splitted bandwidth. I don't think it's a coincidence.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
It looks literally exactly like low AF. It's very easy to check. If there was another difference it would of been noticed when viewing textures straight on. They could just look straight down and show the difference, but since there isn't any they didn't do that.
DJ12
Member
I boosted the contrast on the image myself, it just made it look slightly more saturated, and still blurry.
But again, there are parts of the image virtually identical, so I doubt there's any contrast difference.
It's texture filtering plain and simple, but do please explore this later be interesting to see what you come up with.
Riky
$MSFT
You said performance went down, you lied.
Physiognomonics
Member
We need the same exact spot with the PC version (without DLSS) to be sure. Only pics of PC vs XSX should be enough to settle this. Because the difference of clarity can be big. In some spots it's like trilinear vs 4xAF
EDIT - like here:
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assurdum
Banned
Dude...if you think the most of the people in this forum is trash why are you even trying to discuss about us? Go in another forum with people of the same your high level and shut up.
assurdum
Banned
That's not exactly normal a game drops to 35 FPS because you use a sniper gun anyway eh....though I would be really interesting to see Hitman 3 stressed
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assurdum
Banned
Why you persist so much about it's just AF? AF doesn't affect the details close to the screen. Did you cared at least to check the capture? Even the npcs lied in the ground are affected. Just look at it. Just look at the steps wood on the ground. They are even more detailed on series X but the ground it's still better on ps5. Why AF doesn't affects the wood too?
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xShaun
Member
I do find it strange people still care about resolution difference between PS5 and Series S/X.
I understand people did this a lot back in the past few gens, myself included, but now there honestly isn't a huge amount of difference. 1440p-4k on a decent sized screen from a sofa isn't too noticeable.
I understand people did this a lot back in the past few gens, myself included, but now there honestly isn't a huge amount of difference. 1440p-4k on a decent sized screen from a sofa isn't too noticeable.
DJ12
Member
Framerate approximately the same on average, DRS range lowered to 900p not 1080p like pre patch.
Series X drops lower than PS5 at the start of every race.
Performance = worse.
Riky
$MSFT
Image quality is improved on Xbox, resolution is improved on Xbox, framerate is higher on average on Xbox. That is not a downgrade in performance.
DJ12
Member
Are you still talking exclusively about 120hz mode?
As just said, series x drops to 900p post patch 2, it was 1080p only before.
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Riky
$MSFT
The average is higher though as he states in the video, so performance hasn't gone down. People tried to claim that once the settings bug was corrected that performance would suffer, it didn't, it went up in framerate. He clearly states in the video that both the Series versions run better after the patch.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
You continuing to say different angles when they are exactly the same shows how fos you are.
ShinraMiddleMananger
Banned
DJ12
Member
Firstly, the average what? There was only 1080p for Series X prior to update 2 according to NXG, it's therefore impossible for the average to go higher when 1080p is the highest it goes in 120hz mode.
Performance did go down, which is why it goes to 900p now or then, god knows what it's running at now, 2 more big updates later. If it stayed at purely 1080p mode, it would not hold the same framerate.
Why aren't you getting that, you're usually all over 30% resolution differences.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I wonder when the launch title dirt 5 will stop being brought up...can we drag it out for a year...two years Maybe?