Would be the least surprising thing ever considering the brand has come into this generation with less momentum than they had when there was the transition between the 360-Xbox One generation.
Stuart360 Why does it matter anyway? I thought you were a PC gamer?
Isn’t it sold out everywhere still? Same as ps5
You'll find Series S consoles on shelves. No chance of SX or PS5.
After someone here claimed that series X were available sitting on store shelves last week, I went and looked around ebay.
It's from last week, and you can see in the search that it's just the series X, but the number of available results is pretty drastic. With prices being pretty similar.
Here in the UK you can buy a series S right now. Microsoft shut themselves in the foot by limiting series X production.
Post of the year right there...I call it POTY...Having Deja Vu with MS marketing. Got to give it to them, they do equip all their influencers with all the proper replies that are repeated whenever they seem in the weaker position.
"console sales don't matter MAU does!"
"first to 10 million"
"Doesnt count! sold to scalpers not users!"
"game pass game pass"
"Not full RDNA"
"Supply! none in my area"
"Demand is the same as PS5, just not enough in the market!"
Since revenue for the main corporations I am guessing doesn't matter, the end game would be, what is the healthier platform where in publishers are willing to take more risk and get more return? and no matter what mental gymnastics some people genuinely believe, trolls, fake paid actors, the fact of the matter is we all know who is the market leader and has mindshare. Despite not having SFS and built in ML.
Are people forgetting the excellent Xbox One launch line-up? Hardly surprising it sold better.
Edit: Looks like they are just starting to come back in stock now. Been OOS for several weeksHere in the UK you can buy a series S right now. Microsoft shut themselves in the foot by limiting series X production.
The thing is being an XBOX fan means you don't even have to own an XBOX anymore....All XBOX ware are available on PC day 1 or on gamepass day 1. The predicament is XBOX has not been sharing numbers for years, but they did do share numbers when they were selling consoles and third party software and DLC out the wazoo in the 360 days......Yet here, they are in a situation where XBOX hardware sales are not being officially revealed and that's clearly for a reason, it's because it's just not selling as much as the competition, so they don't want to be seen in a bad light. At MS it's the typical, everything is fine, everything is great with our sales, we're doing great MAU's at MS's game division in a chemical-ali.gif style.Xbox fanboys hiding and claiming to be PC gamers is nothing new. There was alot of them during the Xbox one days when it got rough for them.
In Czechia where I live, you can get a Series S right now in the biggest online retailer, and get a Series X by May, while the PS5 just says "Preorder now", the PS5 has sold out of every production run instantly since launch. I'd say the PS5 demand is quite a bit higher than Xbox, but I guess that's par for the course in Europe.
Is this for real?Jeez I thought you Czechians were made of sterner stuff. Why would you guys want a console full of weeb games like Persona and Dragon Quest when you can play proper manly games like Forza Horizon and Gears of War on a pure American made device built with quality in mind for your entertainment pleasure? What happened over there?
It’s console war bsThis is something i have seen posted numerous times by different people in random threads on here over the last few weeks. Just saw it again now.
Have i missed some news or something?. I'm guessing so as people wouldnt be saying it if something hasnt been said somewhere.
So what have i missed?.
1. If Microsoft isnt revealing sales numbers, how do we know this.
2. Even if it WAS true, wouldnt the console shortages have something to do with that?, especially when it comes to XSX. I mean thats all we hear about in regards to PS5.
3. Is it just console warring?
Discuss.
if ps5 demand wasnt higher than series x there is a major, major issue and Sony must have fucked up in one year lol!
Yeah I just buy all 3, whatever becomes me main is just based off what I enjoy. It’s funny seeing people cry and complain about some competition.Console warring. Which, as a grown man I don’t understand. Back in the day when you’re a kid with limited funds you bash the other side because your folks said it was either a SNES or Genesis. To see a grown ass man console warring.... fucking pathetic.
Why type all of that just to be wrong? Do you actually believe all that fud you just posted in your imagination, or are you simply console warring? If it's just warring, why repeatedly reference MS as a whole that apparently hides sales figures because they're bad. You're not even adept enough to pretend it's only Xbox that can't make money, but the entirety of MS. How terribly detached from reality one must be to make that claim when everyone here knows for a verifiable fact that MS is literally the wealthiest and financially secure and stable company on the planet. Yet here you are claiming it's really just all smoke and mirrors.The thing is being an XBOX fan means you don't even have to own an XBOX anymore....All XBOX ware are available on PC day 1 or on gamepass day 1. The predicament is XBOX has not been sharing numbers for years, but they did do share numbers when they were selling consoles and third party software and DLC out the wazoo in the 360 days......Yet here, they are in a situation where XBOX hardware sales are not being officially revealed and that's clearly for a reason, it's because it's just not selling as much as the competition, so they don't want to be seen in a bad light. At MS it's the typical, everything is fine, everything is great with our sales, we're doing great MAU's at MS's game division in a chemical-ali.gif style.
In the here and now. MS's newly acquired/pronounced prized bull champion "gamepass" is pegged as the new paradigm for gaming across all devices and occasionally MS will publish gamepass users at 5-10-18 million, but never publish how much is being made by it, how many of these users are active, how many of these users are actively paying $15 per month, how much dlc are gamepass users buying, how many games do they play per month on the service. So it's a situation where MS is mum on both hardware sales and services profitability and user engagement per game. So it's clearly a case of underperformance glistened with honey PR......I'm sure in the last couple of years MS marketing will tell you, who needs numbers, you don't need to know that. Yet the absence of numbers or it's relevance is only when those numbers are floundering....It's similar to review scores, many bad Meta scores last gen and those numbers didn't matter either (you are having fun right).....So it's not hard at all to decipher MS's real performance vs their marketing.....It's like the guy saying he is dating Halle Berry, but you've never seen him with her in the neighborhood, clearly you would want to flaunt that....Yet in the absence of data, all you have is PR, most likely to make it sound better than it actually is, because real numbers would be tangible, could not be argued and have the opposite effect..
Lol this is the biggest load of shit I’ve read on here.People are trying their damndest to smear Microsfot and the Xbox brand but by god they will have egg on their face when Xbox Series X/S sells well over 100 million units by the end and PS5 struggles to get past 50 million.
A massive shift is on the horizon and I for one cannot wait.
Jeez I thought you Czechians were made of sterner stuff. Why would you guys want a console full of weeb games like Persona and Dragon Quest when you can play proper manly games like Forza Horizon and Gears of War on a pure American made device built with quality in mind for your entertainment pleasure? What happened over there?
Found it.
TSMC/AMD allocated for Q4 80k Wafer for PS5 and 40k Wafer for Series X|S.
Making a correction on my previous post... you have more PS5 chips than Series X chips per Wafer but you have even more Series S chips per Wafer.... we don’t have any ideia how many Wafers MS uses for X or S.
Even so Sony had the double of Wafer to make chips than MS for Q4.
Clearly, the demand for Serie S is lower than for Series X, it sells not badly, but they probably have sold more Series S than they should have sold Series X from these wafers. There is also many chances that the cost production losses are really lower than X (+ only digital) and for MS that is better to sell S from a financial point of view.
Around 20m wafer each in Q4? Makes sense.As far as I know, two times more wafer are used for X, around the same number of chip produced for X and S.
I’m thinking Microsoft might not be too pleased with the Series S/X sales because they are still hiding their numbers for whatever reason. If what I heard was legitimate, they didn’t seem too bad even in comparison to PS5 especially considering there are shortages.
MS could outsell 2:1 and not announce numbers, it would be a very bad look to start doing it now, and go against their whole MO as a company
One of the new claims is Xbox is not a console anymore, it’s pc, cloud etc. It’s tremendous way of shifting an argument in your favor. So, if you want to argue about install base, it’s xb+pc+any gamepass available platform. If you want to say the console isn’t selling well, it becomes a service and it’s not about console sales.Why does it matter anyway? I thought you were a PC gamer?
pretty spot on overall. That’s why this thread is kind of meaningless. Numbers from a company that is never going to give out numbers. At least until it fits their narrative.So it's clearly a case of underperformance glistened with honey PR......I'm sure in the last couple of years MS marketing will tell you, who needs numbers, you don't need to know that.
If MS released figures
Doesnt stop them from releasing gp sub numbers with absolutely 0 context. You ignored that huge part of the post you quoted.But they don't
Microsoft used to release sales numbers during the X360 era. I can understand why they don't now but they definitely use to do it.One of the new claims is Xbox is not a console anymore, it’s pc, cloud etc. It’s tremendous way of shifting an argument in your favor. So, if you want to argue about install base, it’s xb+pc+any gamepass available platform. If you want to say the console isn’t selling well, it becomes a service and it’s not about console sales.
Tightrope act or Switzerland?
pretty spot on overall. That’s why this thread is kind of meaningless. Numbers from a company that is never going to give out numbers. At least until it fits their narrative.
Doesnt stop them from releasing gp sub numbers with absolutely 0 context. You ignored that huge part of the post you quoted.
That’s ok. But you’re just going to leave yourself open to speculation when you stop. Especially when you turn around and start picking and choosing which numbers to release. Which I think is what op has an issue with.Microsoft used to release sales numbers during the X360 era. I can understand why they don't now but they definitely use to do it.
That would be more about last gen hardware sales. That’s also where xbox as a service comes in and hitching their wagon to pc.If HW sales like that mean more third party AAA games on Game Pass day 1 then I'm okay with that.
When being literally sold out isn't enough...
Poor Nvida, them 3000 series cards must not be doing well too
Do you know why there isn't many Xbox Series X consoles being made?
Because Microsoft never planned to sell many Series X consoles
If Ahmad is on point, and I believe he's generally regarded as well informed, then the Xbox Series has shipped around 3.5m units in comparison to the 3.9m Xbone shipped in the same time frame...
Well that's seems quite interesting as a real point of comparison for next-gen sales if we factor in the waffer info from the first page.
If we assume XsX is sold out - in the 3.5m - and the waffers used double for XsX, but resulted in equal stock for XsX and XsS, then a quick extrapolation (assuming I haven't misunderstood) is that half the shipped is the sold out XsX, giving 1.65m XsX sales, and the remaining sales of the estimated 2.4M - matching X1 - are 750k XsS sales, and leaving 900k XsS available to buy.
And, if we say that the average gamer - shown by the unwanted XsS stock - doesn't consider the series S as next-gen - despite XsX and PS5 flying off shelves, then the real next-gen comparison of market share is really 1.65m Xboxes versus 4.5M PS5, at this point while both boxes are completely sold out, so might easily change when both have plentiful stock.
I guess it depends how literal that is, because I assume the stock sold, was previously built. Meaning building refers to new stock to meet demand.MS has repeatedly said they are building more XSX systems than XSS in the short-term. And if you look at restock photos and all that, definitely stores are getting more XSX units. XSS units are not mythical unicorn level rare like the PS5 DE, but still in more limited supply than XSX.