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[Stuart360]

Well I own all of them and have played AMS2 daily for pretty much the last 2 weeks. They recently released a new update with some graphics improvements and it looks stunning now.

By the way if you actually play AMS2 and have a wheel then there's a league I can invite you to if you're interested? Races are Sunday nights, 8pm UK time. There are not many AMS2 players out there and it would be good to get more people on board.



The ACC footage is not off-screen.

Honestly I don't know what people are seeing in the FH5 footage, yes it looks stunning but so do the current crop of PC racing sims on high end hardware running at 4k. We've reached the point where all the racing games look bonkers and people are splitting hairs at this point.

If you play AMS2 as well then pop me a PM.

I'll download ACCZ again, havent played in a while. It is a good looking game, dont get me wrong, but unless this new update has transformed the game, it doesnt come close. Although AC is on real world racing tracks, so not a fair comparisoin to the lush wilderness of Hotizon 5.
I also play on controller by the way ,no wheel.

 

[GHG]

Yep. Actually I was one of the people who thought it was RT reflections simply because of how good it looked. With cars going that fast I dont think anyone will really notice if they arent a 100% accurate. That rendering budget should go towards making the game look prettier which is what they have done here. Good common sense choice I say.

RT in-game for racing games is a waste IMO. For replays and photo mode - go for it but in game a high quality screen-space solution is more than enough since your focus is on anything but some reflections as you zip past scenery at over 100mph.

But if someone can make it work without sacrificing performance or resolution (resolution is important because sometimes you use the strangest things as brake markers like little kinks or changes in surface texture) is a big fat no for me.

I'll download ACCZ again, havent played in a while. It is a good looking game, dont get me wrong, but unless this new update has transformed the game, it doesnt come close. Although AC is on real world racing tracks, so not a fair comparisoin to the lush wilderness of Hotizon 5.
I also play on controller by the way ,no wheel.

AMS2 has had the recent update, not ACC. ACC has been pretty static since the British GT update earlier this year.

 

[Stuart360]

If its cross gen, its last gen. Don't let these devs fool you.

GT7, FH5, HFW, Halo, etc... they're all last gen games. They're PS4/XBO games.

Its not how it was with Horizon 2, it was a XB1 game with a 360 version downported. It was quite different in the end due to the gulf in hardware. It seems they are doing the same here. I mean again, how else could you explain the XSS rez and framrate?, even the XSX version with 4k/30 ,and unkown resolution at 60?.
As someone who owns FH4 on PC, and can max it out, FH5 looks considerably better, there is a HUGE jump in detail.

 

[JerryinSoCal]

They really shouldn't have shown the "in engine" trailer before the actual gameplay, it made the gameplay look less impressive by comparison. If they had just shown a trailer of the gameplay or just went straight to that guy talking and then the gameplay I think it would have stood out more but that in engine trailer looked significantly better than the gameplay.

 

[kyliethicc]

Its not how it was with Horizon 2, it was a XB1 game with a 360 version downported. It was quite different in the end due to the gulf in hardware. It seems they are doing the same here. I mean again, how else could you explain the XSS rez and framrate?, even the XSX version with 4k/30 ,and unkown resolution at 60?.
As someone who owns FH4 on PC, and can max it out, FH5 looks considerably better, there is a HUGE jump in detail.

Sure and Horizon Forbidden West looks much better on PS5 than HZD on PS4.

Its still a last gen game if its cross gen. And sad that a racing game is targeting 30 Hz.

 

[urmie]

I was disappointed at the 4K/30 part at first because I was wondering what graphic features would be lost in choosing performance mode. In FH4 for example, dynamic shadow casting from the headlights in racing at night were one such feature, still has yet to return, although available in free roam.

However, after hearing Mike Brown go into the amount of detail in this game, capturing some stuff in 12K, visual fidelity, dynamic seasons/weather/dust storm/etc., built from the ground up and all that jazz, I am still hyped. This is not FH4 just in Mexico. A much larger map with more bells and whistles. I guess this is the current Forzatech engine pushed to the max.

It makes me wonder what the next-gen Forzatech engine will be like. Apparently there will be a stream tomorrow from PG, maybe more details.

 

[Stuart360]

Sure and Horizon Forbidden West looks much better on PS5 than HZD on PS4.

Its still a last gen game if its cross gen. And sad that a racing game is targeting 30 Hz.

Its 4k/30 or not finalized rez/60. Did you even watch the vids in the OP?.
Also just Google about FH2 if you dont believe me. It wasnt the only game by the way, the same thing happened with Shadow of Mordor, and Dragon Age Inqusition.

 

[Kangx]

They really shouldn't have shown the "in engine" trailer before the actual gameplay, it made the gameplay look less impressive by comparison. If they had just shown a trailer of the gameplay or just went straight to that guy talking and then the gameplay I think it would have stood out more but that in engine trailer looked significantly better than the gameplay.

Oh, so, when they show the north canyon with zoom In Rock and river is in engine? then it transition into gameplay. That when I thought wow, this look really next gen. If this is the case, no wonder the other tracks look one gent below that, but still look good. When I watch this in 4k, I can see flaw and low resr texture on other tracks, but the car model look good though. I say they will show plenty of gamplay tomorrow, we can clearly see how it look without the cutting.

 

[nightmare-slain]

Looks amazing but I’ll pass. Could never get into the Horizon series. I’ll wait patiently for the next Motorsport.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

*Ahem*



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But regardless, people shouldn't fight over this stuff, we are living in somewhat of a golden era for racing games/sims. Even rfactor 2 and iracing look great these days with recent PBR updates:

Forza Horizon isn't a serious sim, it's an arcade racer. I still think it looks better, though these games look fantastic. Maybe a better comparison would be the new Forza Motorsport, since that's meant to be the true sim racer of the two.

For the Horizon franchise it's literally in the name. It's not just about the beautiful cars, it's about the beautiful scenery and environments also.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Sure and Horizon Forbidden West looks much better on PS5 than HZD on PS4.

Its still a last gen game if its cross gen. And sad that a racing game is targeting 30 Hz.

It's also got a 60fps mode...

News - Forza

Discover the latest Forza news from the teams behind the Forza Horizon and Forza Motorsport series of games.

forzamotorsport.net

"You can also expect powerful, all-new graphical features like HDR captures of the vibrant Mexican sky, sweeping vistas, and an unparalleled attention to detail. Available in 4K 30 FPS on the Xbox Series X (1080p 30 FPS on Xbox Series S) with an optional 60 FPS performance mode, and ray tracing added to cars in Forzavista, you will be immersed in the open world of Horizon like never before."

Looks like Ray Tracing is only in the Forza Vista mode, not during gameplay also. Weird decision, but I ain't mad when the game looks like that.

 

[Derift]

It's also got a 60fps mode...

News - Forza

Discover the latest Forza news from the teams behind the Forza Horizon and Forza Motorsport series of games.

forzamotorsport.net

"You can also expect powerful, all-new graphical features like HDR captures of the vibrant Mexican sky, sweeping vistas, and an unparalleled attention to detail. Available in 4K 30 FPS on the Xbox Series X (1080p 30 FPS on Xbox Series S) with an optional 60 FPS performance mode, and ray tracing added to cars in Forzavista, you will be immersed in the open world of Horizon like never before."

Looks like Ray Tracing is only in the Forza Vista mode, not during gameplay also. Weird decision, but I ain't mad when the game looks like that.

i wonder what will be scarified for the 60fps mode since there isnt any RT...

 

[THEAP99]

It's also got a 60fps mode...

News - Forza

Discover the latest Forza news from the teams behind the Forza Horizon and Forza Motorsport series of games.

forzamotorsport.net

"You can also expect powerful, all-new graphical features like HDR captures of the vibrant Mexican sky, sweeping vistas, and an unparalleled attention to detail. Available in 4K 30 FPS on the Xbox Series X (1080p 30 FPS on Xbox Series S) with an optional 60 FPS performance mode, and ray tracing added to cars in Forzavista, you will be immersed in the open world of Horizon like never before."

Looks like Ray Tracing is only in the Forza Vista mode, not during gameplay also. Weird decision, but I ain't mad when the game looks like that.

I can't believe we are basically already in need of a mid-gen refresh for both consoles already.

 

[longdi]

I can't believe we are basically already in need of a mid-gen refresh for both consoles already.

both consoles are better off targeting 1440p with minimal RT lighting.

 

[THE DUCK]

Proof once again that the Series S isn't "dragging down" next gen. Real next gen graphics despite having to make both versions.

 

[THEAP99]

both consoles are better off targeting 1440p with minimal RT lighting.

Strong disagree. The drop to 1440p is very noticeable to me. Ratchet in 4k 30 fidelity mode looks way better than performance rt mode in 1440p to me. Therefore I've been playing it in the fidelity mode.

 

[MvCSpiderman]

Horizon 5 is 30fps??? On an engine from last gen??? With no RT?????

Well MS flight simulator, you are on your own.

 

[GHG]

Forza Horizon isn't a serious sim, it's an arcade racer. I still think it looks better, though these games look fantastic. Maybe a better comparison would be the new Forza Motorsport, since that's meant to be the true sim racer of the two.

For the Horizon franchise it's literally in the name. It's not just about the beautiful cars, it's about the beautiful scenery and environments also.

Yeh as long as the scenery we've seen so far is consistent across the map then oh boy we are in for a treat.

If this is 4k 30fps on the Series X then a GPU upgrade for me will be in order, I'd like to play it at 4k 60fps if possible.

Motorsport isn't really a sim compared to the games I highlighted either, it's kind of in between horizon and those games. It's a lot less accurate in it's simulation but that's required in order for it to be accessible to gamepad players.

Horizon 5 is 30fps??? On an engine from last gen??? With no RT?????

Well MS flight simulator, you are on your own.

Hate to break it to you but flight sim doesn't have RT either and will be 30fps.

This is why I said in previous threads that people should use their eyes to determine if they like what they see, rather than create some arbitrary checklist.

FH5 very much looks like a next gen game.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

I can't believe we are basically already in need of a mid-gen refresh for both consoles already.

I wouldn't go that far. They're just barely touching what the consoles can do lol. Forza Motorsport will represent an upgrade of the engine, and then the next Forza Horizon after will take things to another level after, but for now this is a very welcome entry in a new game. New features are cool and all, but give me amazing games that are fun to play.

 

[SlimySnake]

Horizon 5 is 30fps??? On an engine from last gen??? With no RT?????

Well MS flight simulator, you are on your own.

it has a 60 fps mode. its native 4k 30 fps. so 1440p 60 fps is pretty much a given.

 

[Max_Po]

 

[abacab driver]

The trolling can start, the screen capping, 500% zooming, all that can start, but the fact is FH5 is by far the best looking racer ever, and arguably the best looking game full stop.
Now bring on the smilies, but its only yourself looking stupid in this case.

At this point, the trolls will just say anything.

The game does alllll the talking and its saying a whole lot.

 

[MvCSpiderman]

Yeh as long as the scenery we've seen so far is consistent across the map then oh boy we are in for a treat.

If this is 4k 30fps on the Series X then a GPU upgrade for me will be in order, I'd like to play it at 4k 60fps if possible.

Motorsport isn't really a sim compared to the games I highlighted either, it's kind of in between horizon and those games. It's a lot less accurate in it's simulation but that's required in order for it to be accessible to gamepad players.



Hate to break it to you but flight sim doesn't have RT either and will be 30fps.

This is why I said in previous threads that people should use their eyes to determine if they like what they see, rather than create some arbitrary checklist.

FH5 very much looks like a next gen game.

Flight sim is 60fps.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Here's another buy from me on PC.

 

[GHG]

Flight sim is 60fps.

At 4k?

 

[Max_Po]

At 4k?

its not, the game can't do 4k60 on my rtx3080 + 5900x ... it sure ain't fucking doing 4k60 on his "XboxSer X"

These fanboys are delusional

Forza is 30 fps 4k with RT. ...

 

[Stuart360]

At 4k?

Doubtful. I'm pretty sure there are vids of a 3090 struggling to lock 60fps at 4k.
I'd guess 2 modes, 4k/30, 1080p/1440p/60.
And to be honest, i played at 30fps because i wanted the eye candy (something i almost never do lol), and the game is very slow, even with hgih powered jets. Its VERY playable at 30fps.

 

[Arias05]

Best graphics I’ve seen this gen

 

[GHG]

Doubtful. I'm pretty sure there are vids of a 3090 struggling to lock 60fps at 4k.
I'd guess 2 modes, 4k/30, 1080p/1440p/60.
And to be honest, i played at 30fps because i wanted the eye candy (something i almost never do lol), and the game is very slow, even with hgih powered jets. Its VERY playable at 30fps.

Yep I play it at 30fps with the resolution as high as possible (not quite 4k but close enough) and it runs and responds great even with the flight stick. It's not a fast twitch game at all, it's all very methodical.

Not even a 3090 can crack 4k 60fps so I don't know where he got that idea.

 

[Derift]

its not, the game can't do 4k60 on my rtx3080 + 5900x ... it sure ain't fucking doing 4k60 on his "XboxSer X"

These fanboys are delusional

Forza is 30 fps 4k with RT. ...

it doesn't have raytracing in game only in the garage mode which is pretty much a photomode

 

[Neo_game]

No you can clearly see it in gameplay the shadows and gi is rt

I am not sure about it, Dirt5 also did have RT I think but if I remember it barely made any difference. Hopefully this is good benchmark for racing games. Mercedes one was the new car but IMO the car models in gameplay are little disappointing.

 

[Warnen]

Dam forza Games always look so good, can’t wait.

 

[Iced Arcade]

Wow that looks absolutely amazing

What do you want me to explain? Which part?

What does 60 fps have to do with cross gen? Forza Horizon was 60 fps on xbox one.

You don't have to explain. You are blind, it's ok we get it.

 

[DavidGzz]

This looks insane! Halo, FH5 for Fall, Dark Alliance this month, The Ascent next month. Not sure what we have for Aug and September yet but you Gotta love Game Pass.

 

[elliot5]

This looks insane! Halo, FH5 for Fall, Dark Alliance this month, The Ascent next month. Not sure what we have for Aug and September yet but you Gotta love Game Pass.

This is Psychonauts 2 erasure

 

[twilo99]

gameplay.



they actually say no tricks and show gameplay without cutting at one point.

 

[Grand Theft Scratchy]

Great gameplay reveal. I like the setting and the racing through the jungle, volcano, and city looks fun.

 

[Negotiator101]

Little disappointed it's not standard 60fps but given the graphics being so good and a native 4K resolution I'll take it. 1440p locked at 60fps would be very nice, here's hoping.

 

[Negotiator101]

This is Psychonauts 2 erasure

8 minutes is it? Looks really interesting, that's August as well.

 

[skit_data]

Wait, what? It will be 4k 30fps with no ray-tracing during actual gameplay? That sounds wierd as hell!

 

[MrPotato]

Wait, what? It will be 4k 30fps with no ray-tracing during actual gameplay? That sounds wierd as hell!

I heard rt implementation for full rdna 2 isn't out yet /s plz mod don't ban me

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

its not, the game can't do 4k60 on my rtx3080 + 5900x ... it sure ain't fucking doing 4k60 on his "XboxSer X"

These fanboys are delusional

Forza is 30 fps 4k with RT. ...

Forza doesn't have RT in gameplay, only in garage mode.

 

[Virt McPolygon]

Looks amazing, but god damn I can't help but notice distracting dithering in games this past year.

 

[intheinbetween]

This looks insane! Halo, FH5 for Fall, Dark Alliance this month, The Ascent next month. Not sure what we have for Aug and September yet but you Gotta love Game Pass.

For August we have Psychonauts 2 and 12 Minutes

 

[Jibran#one]

Makes u wonder what fm8 will be doing next year , this is open world and looking like this fm can go full photo realistic
Who am I kidding this looks better than photo realistic

 

[CS Lurker]

The sound of the car coming from the right was excellent on my headphones.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Who's gonna make Horizon vs Horizon thread?

Spoiler

and get banned in the process

 

[Hendrick's]

Bullshit framerate to demo at. Stop showing me trash 30 fps game modes.

 

[MightySquirrel]

Awesome location choice. Hated might be too strong of an expression for FH4, because it had amazing but poorly executed seasons, but I liked FH3 way more. This looked superb. Horizon series is the only racer you need for that arcade fix. Shame PS boys can't enjoy this series.

 

[THE DUCK]

Bullshit framerate to demo at. Stop showing me trash 30 fps game modes.

Hoping this is a joke post, if not, wow.