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[pramod]

My main problems with it are the writing which required too much suspension of disbelief. Also the tone is all over the place.

Indy needs the map book. So he sneaks into Nazi Germany and gets it without even us knowing exactly how he did it and "escapes" with zero effort.

The bad guy Nazi finds Indy and his dad as they are trying to escape from Germany on a GERMAN Zeppelin and Indy just throws him out the window and they just let them fly away. WTF?

Anyways this movie is just all over the place with its humor and plot holes while trying to make us take it really seriously.

I have more nitpicks like the tank chase taking too long but those are more minor. For me it's the weakest of the trilogy.

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

Best Indy film followed closely by Kingdom of The Crystal Skull

Temple of Doom is the worst Indy film

 

[Pagusas]

because Sean + Harrison is the most charming, awesome relationship and pairing in the genre. the Characters and actors make this film, not the script. that’s why it’s my favorite

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

because Sean + Harrison is the most charming, awesome relationship and pairing in the genre. the Characters and actors make this film, not the script. that’s why it’s my favorite

That's why too

 

[Kilau]

The bad guy Nazi finds Indy and his dad as they are trying to escape from Germany on a GERMAN Zeppelin and Indy just throws him out the window and they just let them fly away. WTF?

No ticket.

 

[SpiceRacz]

Because Crusade was a step up from Temple of Doom. Temple is the worst Indy film.

 

[Javthusiast]

They can't be all as great as National Treasure.

 

[belmarduk]

Wasn't the next Indiana Jones movie supposed to be released this summer? or was it held back?

 

[ManaByte]

Wasn't the next Indiana Jones movie supposed to be released this summer? or was it held back?

Next year.

Written and directed by the guy who made these:

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

Next year.

Written and directed by the guy who made these:

Great choice for director

 

[ManaByte]

Great choice for director

He also rewrote the script when they hired him.

 

[The_hunter]

Wasn't last crusade set before ww2? Still nazi germany, but probably not as tightly locked down.

I really love the third movie the best, the whole plotline of the holy grail is incredible, plus Shawn Connery.

 

[ManaByte]

Wasn't last crusade set before ww2? Still nazi germany, but probably not as tightly locked down as you would think.

I really love the third movie the best, the whole plotline of the holy grail is incredible, plus Shawn Connery.

Temple of Doom: 1935
Raiders: 1936
Crusade: 1938

 

[Doom85]

Because Crusade was a step up from Temple of Doom. Temple is the worst Indy film.

I know everyone hates on 4, but I’ll gladly take Shia and CGI monkeys (well, okay not “gladly” per say, but it’s the less painful option) over Willie screaming her head off every 5 seconds. Honestly one of my most hated characters in all of cinema. Some hate on Short Round but he barely registered with me considering he was chill in comparison to the “adult” freaking out all the time, and the movie would have been way better if it was just Indy and Short Round on the adventure.

Also, everyone freaks out over the fridge scene in 4, yet 2 had an equally bullshit scene with the falling life raft that should have killed everyone who fell.

Don’t get me wrong, 2 has good moments, for sure, but it’s weighed down by the bullshit. Asking me to enjoy 2 is like asking me to enjoy a really well made feast while I’m simultaneously being punched in the face every 30 seconds, it’s just not going to happen. 4 is mostly unremarkable but I’m not reaching for some headache medicine when I watch it.

If 1 is a 10/10 and 3 is a 9/10 for me, I view 4 as a 5/10 and 2 as a 3/10.

Also, just want to say, I’m a sucker for “riding/running off into the sunset” shots as the ending. Last Crusade’s final shot is just:

 

[Pagusas]

I know everyone hates on 4, but I’ll gladly take Shia and CGI monkeys (well, okay not “gladly” per say, but it’s the less painful option) over Willie screaming her head off every 5 seconds. Honestly one of my most hated characters in all of cinema. Some hate on Short Round but he barely registered with me considering he was chill in comparison to the “adult” freaking out all the time, and the movie would have been way better if it was just Indy and Short Round on the adventure.

Also, everyone freaks out over the fridge scene in 4, yet 2 had an equally bullshit scene with the falling life raft that should have killed everyone who fell.

Don’t get me wrong, 2 has good moments, for sure, but it’s weighed down by the bullshit. Asking me to enjoy 2 is like asking me to enjoy a really well made feast while I’m simultaneously being punched in the face every 30 seconds, it’s just not going to happen. 4 is mostly unremarkable but I’m not reaching for some headache medicine when I watch it.

If 1 is a 10/10 and 3 is a 9/10 for me, I view 4 as a 5/10 and 2 as a 3/10.

Also, just want to say, I’m a sucker for “riding/running off into the sunset” shots as the ending. Last Crusade’s final shot is just:

the ending of 3 is perfect, but man it’s intro is also amazingly perfect with young indy and that amazing transition to present time. the hat scene. the “you lost today…” line. all soooo good

 

[AlteredForms]

For me it's the weakest of the trilogy.

 

[pramod]

I know everyone hates on 4, but I’ll gladly take Shia and CGI monkeys (well, okay not “gladly” per say, but it’s the less painful option) over Willie screaming her head off every 5 seconds. Honestly one of my most hated characters in all of cinema. Some hate on Short Round but he barely registered with me considering he was chill in comparison to the “adult” freaking out all the time, and the movie would have been way better if it was just Indy and Short Round on the adventure.

Also, everyone freaks out over the fridge scene in 4, yet 2 had an equally bullshit scene with the falling life raft that should have killed everyone who fell.

Don’t get me wrong, 2 has good moments, for sure, but it’s weighed down by the bullshit. Asking me to enjoy 2 is like asking me to enjoy a really well made feast while I’m simultaneously being punched in the face every 30 seconds, it’s just not going to happen. 4 is mostly unremarkable but I’m not reaching for some headache medicine when I watch it.

If 1 is a 10/10 and 3 is a 9/10 for me, I view 4 as a 5/10 and 2 as a 3/10.

Also, just want to say, I’m a sucker for “riding/running off into the sunset” shots as the ending. Last Crusade’s final shot is just:

For me 1 is 10/10, 2 is 9.5/10, 3 is 7.5/10, 4 is 2/10.

BTW did Willie really scream that much? I didn't notice her screaming any more than a normal female would under the crazy shit she went thru in the movie (and not being some tomboy adventurer like Marion).

I mean, if you were crawling in a pit of scorpions, or being lowered into a lava pit, wouldn't even a dude be screaming quite a bit?
Or maybe I just didn't mind Willie cuz Kate Capshaw is freaking gorgeous.

IMHO Alison Doody was my least favorite Indy girl, she's just plain bland, and did lots of annoying screams too.

 

[kunonabi]

Yeah it's the weakest of the original trilogy for me too. I enjoyed the opening and ending but a lot of the middle is kind of eh. It really just gets by on Ford and Connery together.

 

[DKehoe]

The bad guy Nazi finds Indy and his dad as they are trying to escape from Germany on a GERMAN Zeppelin and Indy just throws him out the window and they just let them fly away. WTF?

Counterpoint: that part was cool

 

[Wildebeest]

It fleshed out the character a lot. Before that, Jones could be seen as more of a sleazy creep who starred in trashy movies. I think that Temple of Doom looks better in retrospect than it was received at the time because since then Tarantino made exploitation movies "cool" and every movie head under 40 is like a slave to Tarantino's taste for trash.

 

[thefool]

Great setting, cool set pieces, wholesome character dynamics. Hard not to enjoy.

 

[GymWolf]

I have the same question for raiders of the lost arch, i love that one way less than temple of doom and last crusade.

I guess i'm in the minority.

 

[Artoris]

I have the same question for raiders of the lost arch, i love that one way less than temple of doom and last crusade.

I guess i'm in the minority.

yes

 

[GymWolf]

yes

What can i say, it's probably because i watched temple of doom and crusade multiple times before even watching raiders, so the novelty was already a bit off, also i like the blonde chick\shorty and daddy jones companions way better than the chick in raiders.

 

[NeoIkaruGAF]

Almost all movies have weak points like those.
But Last Crusade…

It fleshed out the character immensely. Raiders was a very static film and Indy was a guy ready to drop the greatest quest of his life and give in to drinking after the death of an old love interest. In LC, the dude travels all over the world and fights Nazis until the very end. This is really the movie that cemented the figure of Indiana Jones in the public’s mind, which is also why Kingdom was so disappointing.
The Ford-Connery chemistry is just incredible. None outshines the other despite the two being both very charismatic actors. Connery manages to balance the comic and serious aspects of his character masterfully.
It’s the most quotable Indie movie, for all the best reasons. Top. Men.
The treasure quest parts of the movie are fantastic. LC was enormously influential on movies, books and video games that came after it.
The direction is flawless. Yeah, the tank scene is too long in retrospect. It also had me hanging on the edge of my seat when I first watched it. Steven knows his craft.
The final part in Petra is pure magic.
The ending shot is perfection.

LC is like Return of the Jedi to me. A more modern, flashier, faster, more commercial take on the theme than the original, but so much more enjoyable and entertaining on the whole, that I can forgive its flaws without a glance back.

 

[Ragnarok]

I’m with you, Last Crusade is the weakest of the trilogy. Nothing beats Raiders but Temple is criminally underrated these days.

 

[jonnyp]

Tied at the top: Raiders and the Last Crusade

Distant second: Temple of Doom

Bottom of the Mariana trench: the abomination that is the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

 

[Lunarorbit]

I know everyone hates on 4, but I’ll gladly take Shia and CGI monkeys (well, okay not “gladly” per say, but it’s the less painful option) over Willie screaming her head off every 5 seconds. Honestly one of my most hated characters in all of cinema. Some hate on Short Round but he barely registered with me considering he was chill in comparison to the “adult” freaking out all the time, and the movie would have been way better if it was just Indy and Short Round on the adventure.

Also, everyone freaks out over the fridge scene in 4, yet 2 had an equally bullshit scene with the falling life raft that should have killed everyone who fell.

Don’t get me wrong, 2 has good moments, for sure, but it’s weighed down by the bullshit. Asking me to enjoy 2 is like asking me to enjoy a really well made feast while I’m simultaneously being punched in the face every 30 seconds, it’s just not going to happen. 4 is mostly unremarkable but I’m not reaching for some headache medicine when I watch it.

If 1 is a 10/10 and 3 is a 9/10 for me, I view 4 as a 5/10 and 2 as a 3/10.

Also, just want to say, I’m a sucker for “riding/running off into the sunset” shots as the ending. Last Crusade’s final shot is just:

Where is the block feature! Temple of Doom worse than crystal? Each their own.

Even as a kid the zeppelin scene didn't make any sense. But no ticket and fuck nazis more than makes up for any suspension of reality

 

[p_xavier]

Where is the block feature! Temple of Doom worse than crystal? Each their own.

Even as a kid the zeppelin scene didn't make any sense. But no ticket and fuck nazis more than makes up for any suspension of reality

I rewatched the 4 movies back to back last week and Crystal Skulls is way better than I remembered.

 

[Artoris]

I rewatched the 4 movies back to back last week and Crystal Skulls is way better than I remembered.

Best I can say about Crystal Skulls is that it's watchable

 

[Salz01]

Temple is great because it’s vastly different than the first and 3rd one. 3rd one is borderline comedy. 2nd is borderline horror.

 

[StormCell]

Connery and Ford really bring the charm in the Last Crusade. That is most of it. The other thing Last Crusade really nails down is a terrific opening and ending with some incredibly memorable scenes in between. It has one of the weaker scripts but some of the most brilliant moments in the entire series. It's too hard to not love this movie.

The Temple of Doom is the outlier for me, not immediately taking the Crystal Skull into account. There's just so much about the movie that doesn't resonate with me. I've tried watching it a few times, and each time I just find myself not all that interested. It has its moments, though. Even now, having looked up the plot, it strikes me as an adventure Dr. Jones just happened into. Like, he wasn't originally hunting for the stones. The thing he set out to do at the start of the movie has nothing to do with the plot. It's just a great big mess, and then you have Short Round and Willie to deal with...

I think the Last Crusade will always be my favorite. If it had nothing else, at least it has Der koniggratzer march playing in the marching scene -- I'm a sucker for marching music.

 

[StormCell]

Temple of Doom: 1935
Raiders: 1936
Crusade: 1938

See, this is why Temple of Doom is a mess compared with the others. It's not even a sequel in the traditional sense. It's a damned prequel. It has no connections following from Raiders. Raiders would have had to have had some ties to the Temple of Doom story for it to have felt like it belonged all along...

 

[ManaByte]

See, this is why Temple of Doom is a mess compared with the others. It's not even a sequel in the traditional sense. It's a damned prequel. It has no connections following from Raiders. Raiders would have had to have had some ties to the Temple of Doom story for it to have felt like it belonged all along...

Temple of Doom is a mess because both Spielberg and Lucas were going through divorces at the time and they both admit that affected the movie.

 

[StormCell]

Temple of Doom is a mess because both Spielberg and Lucas were going through divorces at the time and they both admit that affected the movie.

Yeah, I saw that on Wikipedia too. There's just a dozen reasons why that movie doesn't resonate with me, but I especially like that Lucas understood this about that movie. He's absolutely right that if Temple of Doom was just another Raiders of the Lost Ark, which the Last Crusade kind of is, then it's all just more of the same. Last Crusade is good in part because Temple of Doom was different.

 

[Doom85]

Temple of Doom is a mess because both Spielberg and Lucas were going through divorces at the time and they both admit that affected the movie.

Yeah, I read that years back. Puts the obnoxious female lead and the scene where the dude gets his heart ripped out in an all new context.

 

[Fbh]

It's not perfect but the dynamic between Connery and Ford is one of my favorite things in the entire franchise. It also has a solid beginning and end, I like the more comedic tone (specially compared to 2) and the tank scene is one of my favorite action setpieces from that era too.

 

[Werewolf Jones]

Was honestly shocked as a kid when the German thot dropped into the chasm at the end. Indy mostly saves his side chicks.

 

[Ragnarok]

Was honestly shocked as a kid when the German thot dropped into the chasm at the end. Indy mostly saves his side chicks.

Bro she was a Nazi

 

[AJUMP23]

I got to watch this film at my aunts house before it hit the theater. She had a copy on vhs because her son was one of the people that did the promotional artwork. Probably the highlight of my trip to the west coast.

 

[Werewolf Jones]

Bro she was a Nazi

I mean... You right. But I was also like 10. Lmao.

You know most dudes would simp for her and give her the pass. She was banging.

 

[Batiman]

I love it. I flip flop my rankings all the time with IJ.

 

[MrMephistoX]

I’m not reading your post and just assuming you have bad taste What value is there in briningnup nitpicks about something you don’t like that millions of others do? I’m not changing your mind and you certainly won’t change mine.

 

[Badlucktroll]

too bad they made this instead of the monkey king script (i think it was written by chris columbus) they even did location scouting. the monkey king movie would have been more like temple, and last crusade is like raiders.

 

[jufonuk]

My main problems with it are the writing which required too much suspension of disbelief. Also the tone is all over the place.

Indy needs the map book. So he sneaks into Nazi Germany and gets it without even us knowing exactly how he did it and "escapes" with zero effort.

The bad guy Nazi finds Indy and his dad as they are trying to escape from Germany on a GERMAN Zeppelin and Indy just throws him out the window and they just let them fly away. WTF?

Anyways this movie is just all over the place with its humor and plot holes while trying to make us take it really seriously.

I have more nitpicks like the tank chase taking too long but those are more minor. For me it's the weakest of the trilogy.

 

[6502]

 

[Sybrix]

My main problems with it are the writing which required too much suspension of disbelief. Also the tone is all over the place.

Indy needs the map book. So he sneaks into Nazi Germany and gets it without even us knowing exactly how he did it and "escapes" with zero effort.

The bad guy Nazi finds Indy and his dad as they are trying to escape from Germany on a GERMAN Zeppelin and Indy just throws him out the window and they just let them fly away. WTF?

Anyways this movie is just all over the place with its humor and plot holes while trying to make us take it really seriously.

I have more nitpicks like the tank chase taking too long but those are more minor. For me it's the weakest of the trilogy.

With all Indy films you have use your imagination as to how he escaped that scenario.

1. He drove from Austria to Germany and attended a Nazi Rally disguised as a Nazi solider.... fine with me so far. He gets the book and escapes the same way he got in... all good to me, its also 1938, the world isnt at War with Germany yet.

2. Indy throws Nazi out of Zeppelin, this happens just as the Zeppelin is taking off, staff on this ship didnt see this so no reason to stop the Zeppelin.

There's your justification.

If you seriously think this film is the weakest.... how does your brain justify Fridge vs Nuke?

To me, The Last Crusade is the best Indy film, the story is epic, the characters are great, Sean Connery is GOAT, the soundtrack in this film is the best out of all of them, this theme alone is why The Last Crusade is the best Indy film:

 

[Tams]

while trying to make us take it really seriously.

Here's your problem OP.

 

[Revolutionary]

Technically, yes, it's probably the weakest of the trilogy... but it holds a place in my heart as my favorite nonetheless, because of the memories it conjures up of my father and I roleplaying scenes from the movie as Indy and his father. Good times.

 

[Sybrix]

Here's your problem OP.

Yeah, also this XD

This isnt high Cinema.... it's Indiana Jones