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[Edgelord79]

It's pretty clear that MS want to be in the game service business more than they want to be in the game console business. So I can see them using this as a wedge to get a gamepass like service on Playstation.

More of a sharp knife on the plans of the PS upcoming rival service by removing potential games that could be on that service. Basically, MS is trying to force Sony to put it's exclusives on its service I think which would be very unsustainable to Sony's business model.

At this point I really think Sony's best option is to not play the game MS is playing and scrap plans for a rival service. Just focus on increasing turnaround on their 1st party games by increasing studios and new IP's. They will be fine.

Anything else would be competing at the high stakes poker table with insufficient funds and it's exactly what MS wants.

 

[rkofan87]

i call bs

 

[Mr Reasonable]

exactly my point.

How can Sony outbid Microsoft? They can’t.
But if one console represents 60% of your sales, you can just offer them higher spilts of sales. Sony can go we can offer you 85-15% spilts for the first month. While Microsoft can offer them the same, their market share is way smaller. Hence Sony not needing to spend a single penny.

I don't think you understand the reality of the situation. Sony outbid Microsoft to sponsor ads for Call of Duty. Microsoft could have liquidated their assets to offer trillions to Activision, yes, but they have a marketing budget to work with, had a deal with battlefield to pay for and their own games to promote too.

It's more simple than you think.

 

[Team Andromeda]

So how does MS recoup 70 Billion plus running costs of paying 100s of developers which will run into 100s of millions annually? Gamepass isn’t going to be enough paying for this expense…..

We had all this talk with before... . This isn't about making money on day one, it's about the long term goal of moving more and more gamers to Game Pass and the Xbox

 

[Zok310]

PS Store Best-Selling Games of 2021 Revealed, Sports Games on Top

Call of Duty also popular

www.pushsquare.com

You really underestimate how popular multiplat/online games like CoD and overestimate how much Sony exclusives matter. Outside of Gaf and other "hardcore" gaming communities, the majority of casuals play fifa, nba, cod etc.

Theres one ps exclusive game, the spider man being fifth place, the rest is multiplat. Cod vanguard, which wasn't among the most popular game in the franchise, is number 2 om both Europe and USA.

I think its more likely people would buy as series s than buying a PC, and Microsoft don't care where you're playing it because they get their money either way.

Edit: come to think about it. The second most sold game on playstation 2021 is a Microsoft game lol.
(pls it's a joke, I just think it sounded fun)

You quote these sales figures but fail to remove PS from the equation. Without PS5/PS4 COD will not be at the top of any list. It’s literally going to be Nintendo/Sports ip in the top 5 every month.

 

[01011001]

You quote these sales figures but fail to remove PS from the equation. Without PS5/PS4 COD will not be at the top of any list. It’s literally going to be Nintendo/Sports ip in the top 5 every month.

in the 360 days the Xbox sales dominated for Call of Duty. now the PS4 sales dominate... no reason this can't change back to the 360 days and be absolutely enough to be a top seller

Modern Warfare 2 sold 2x as many copies on 360 than it did on PS3

 

[Zok310]

in the 360 days the Xbox sales dominated for Call of Duty. now the PS4 sales dominate... no reason this can't change back to the 360 days and be absolutely enough to be a top seller

Modern Warfare 2 sold 2x as many copies on 360 than it did on PS3

360 literally had way more consoles in the USA market than Sony had PS3s. Not to mention PSN was no where near what live was at the time. A lot had change for the tide to switch, it was not just marketing deals.

 

[01011001]

360 literally had way more consoles in the USA market than Sony had PS3s. Not to mention PSN was no where near what live was at the time. A lot had change for the tide to switch, it was not just marketing deals.

by the time MW2 came out it was well after the initial troubles of the PS3. during the PS360 era 3rd party games often sold 2x as many copies on 360, even after the PS3 started to catch up in console sales.

you could also argue PSN being completely free was a counterbalance to how shit it was at the time, while in-game it was barely any different after all if you played on PS3 or 360... the biggest issue the PS3 had was no party chat due to hardware limitations not allowing them to implement it

 

[Zok310]

by the time MW2 came out it was well after the initial troubles of the PS3. during the PS360 era 3rd party games often sold 2x as many copies on 360, even after the PS3 started to catch up in console sales.

you could also argue PSN being completely free was a counterbalance to how shit it was at the time, while in-game it was barely any different after all if you played on PS3 or 360... the biggest issue the PS3 had was no party chat due to hardware limitations not allowing them to implement it

There was no PS3 catching up to 360 when MW2 launched. You making shit up. 360 in the USA held a significant lead to PS3 all gen, toss in the lead in the UK and it’s no wonder it outsold it 2/1. Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

 

[MistBreeze]

Actually when u think about it these old lame publishers needs a shake up

All there games are lazy copy and paste

Ea, ubisoft and activision

They better get absorbed into other entity to shake them up

Call of duty going exclusive is big yes, but this well open many opportunities to new franchises being made take its place

Vanguard proved that,,,

Far cry 6 proved that

They are getting old and stale ,,, they are the same games releasing year after year

It is time for sony to change and drop relience on these lazy big publishers, they are lost cause

 

[Warablo]

I do wonder if they are just going to keep pumping out CoD's with the same three devs or if they will be moved to make different ip's.

 

[Raonak]

Makes sense. MS care about money first and foremost, the amount of cash generated by PS consoles is a large amount of the market. For anything that has an existing userbase, it makes sense to keep it as is, just like minecraft. honestly I expect the same from bethesda.

So cod, overwatch will be on any many platforms as possible incl playstation.

I wouldn't be surprised to see lots of Xbox multiplats.

 

[Tomeru]

So they spent $70 billion for Activision, yet it’s basically business as usual with games still coming to PlayStation? Does that make any sense? They will probably keep some exclusives on the XBOX like COD or something for this deal more worthwhile.

The sense is they can, and will, put all those games on gamepass day 1.

 

[01011001]

There was no PS3 catching up to 360 when MW2 launched. You making shit up. 360 in the USA held a significant lead to PS3 all gen, toss in the lead in the UK and it’s no wonder it outsold it 2/1. Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

and you can not read as it seems. I never said the PS3 was catching up to the 360 when MW2 released. i said even after it was catching up that 3rd party miltiplat games sold significantly better on 360, often also having a 2:1 split

Black Ops 2 also had a similar split in 2012, at which time the PS3 was basically on par with the 360 in terms of lifetime sales

 

[rolandss]

Man don’t hang onto a quote he made the day the acquisition was announced. There’s no way call of duty doesn’t go exclusive.

 

[Rest]

Suuuuure the will. For a year or two, until the contracts run out.

 

[phil_t98]

Actually when u think about it these old lame publishers needs a shake up

All there games are lazy copy and paste

Ea, ubisoft and activision

They better get absorbed into other entity to shake them up

Call of duty going exclusive is big yes, but this well open many opportunities to new franchises being made take its place

Vanguard proved that,,,

Far cry 6 proved that

They are getting old and stale ,,, they are the same games releasing year after year

It is time for sony to change and drop relience on these lazy big publishers, they are lost cause

You mean Sony to drop reliance on games that help sell their console? People want to play cod people want to play crash

 

[Blood Borne]

Do people actually believe COD won’t be exclusive to Xbox/PC in future?
That’s some serious fanboy delusion.

Either Game Pass releases on PlayStation or you buy an Xbox, either way, if you want to play COD in the future, you must subscribe to Xbox ecosystem.

 

[cromofo]

We went through this with Bethesda already. Some people just never learn I guess...

Playstation can say goodbye to new CoD and other games after the deal closes and previous contracts and honored.

 

[Ogbert]

Do people actually believe COD won’t be exclusive to Xbox/PC in future?
That’s some serious fanboy delusion.

Either Game Pass releases on PlayStation or you buy an Xbox, either way, if you want to play COD in the future, you must subscribe to Xbox ecosystem.

I think Warzone will stay on PS. Makes sense - it’s a free to play title and they can make absurd money off the MTX.

But everything else will be exclusive.

 

[Blood Borne]

We went through this with Bethesda already. Some people just never learn I guess...

Playstation can say goodbye to new CoD and other games after the deal closes and previous contracts and honored.

They’re still in the denial stage of grief.

 

[Kenpachii]

Sure they will, sony just have to accept the gamepass subscription on there platform wink wink.

 

[Jigga117]

I’m feeling exactly like that for the past 2 or so hours. Really depressed. Sony loyalist since PS1 but it seems it is time to jump from this sinking ship. I just can’t decide should I do it immediately (sell PS5, buy Series X) or wait until these games start arriving exclusively on Xbox (that could take years).

Just buy a damn Series X take what you can enjoy on PS5 by keeping it and enjoy the ride.

 

[ManaByte]

We went through this with Bethesda already. Some people just never learn I guess...

Playstation can say goodbye to new CoD and other games after the deal closes and previous contracts and honored.

There are still people on this forum who are trying to convince themselves that Starfield is only a timed exclusive and Elder Scrolls VI is multiplat.

 

[Orta]

Loving the delusion

Its the best thing about these takeovers.

 

[RoboFu]

now all their titles will com out in game pass day one.

 

[Thirty7ven]

It’s basically just COD that matters and I guess they only need for it to be on gamepass. Damn, Xbois writing angry emails atm. Keep wanking over acquisitions though, do ye thang.

 

[Clear]

There are still people on this forum who are trying to convince themselves that Starfield is only a timed exclusive and Elder Scrolls VI is multiplat.

A better question is why some people are so threatened by people speculating about how things are going to pan out.

Seems to me that if they are so certain, why bother commenting? Who are they trying to convince?

Most of all, what gets me is the obsession with console warring over an acquisition that's as much about PC and mobile gaming. Areas which are even more lucrative than consoles. The especially stupid part is the whole notion of why its a good idea for MS to make policy such that it excludes Sony from profiting from their properties, only applying to Playstation and not every other storefront that takes a cut.

 

[ManaByte]

A better question is why some people are so threatened by people speculating about how things are going to pan out.

It's not speculating. It's port begging.

 

[Three]

It's not speculating. It's port begging.

This shit is the dumbest shit. Port begging would imply a game is released on a platform and people are begging for a port. No game exists to port beg. This is called speculation.

 

[Greggy]

 

[Clear]

It's not speculating. It's port begging.

The acquisition hasn't even been approved and won't be for over a year most likely. There's also a reasonable possibility that the merger could end up getting blocked due to political pressure to curtail consolidation by big tech being a real thing right now. The Senate Judiciary Comittee passed a bi-partisan backed bill on tech competition 3 days ago.

People are getting way ahead of themselves.

Sorry about introducing politics, but it is absolutely relevant to gaming in this instance.

EDIT: Fixed link (had a bad time-stamp). Very interesting commentary and well worth a look because it says things that people don't say within the gaming space.

 

[Leyasu]

There is no way on this earth that if the roles were reversed Sony would continue putting any of those I.Ps on Xbox.

Once the ink dries and the contracts fulfilled, I only see the warzone cash cow remaining. That will be used to entice people over to Xbox for the rest of the cod experience. Complete with XsS cod bundles to make it irresistible lol

 

[ManaByte]

There's also a reasonable possibility that the merger could end up getting blocked due to political pressure to curtail consolidation by big tech being a real thing right now. The Senate Judiciary Comittee passed a bi-partisan backed bill on tech competition 3 days ago.

That's not targeting a video game publisher who will become #3 in the industry with 12% of the market. It's targeting Google and Facebook.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

That's not targeting a video game publisher who will become #3 in the industry with 12% of the market. It's targeting Google and Facebook.

Do you seriously believe this? They're in the same league as Google and Apple. Of course they're a target.

 

[PlaystationFan5349]

There is no guarantee on that, plus keep dreaming gamepass will stay $15 with a bill of more than 80 billions to pay.

So they will charge more. People will get used to it. The truth is that if you want content you have to be in the Xbox ecosystem. A lot of people play Bethesda and activision games, if you don’t have it people won’t buy your console. If this would have happened before the launch I wouldn’t have bothered buying a PS5

 

[Sanepar]

So they will charge more. People will get used to it. The truth is that if you want content you have to be in the Xbox ecosystem. A lot of people play Bethesda and activision games, if you don’t have it people won’t buy your console. If this would have happened before the launch I wouldn’t have bothered buying a PS5

Don't me wrong I love Bethesda games and Blizzard games and will consume them on PC. But I don't think gamepaas worth $15 per month or even more because I don't play more than 1 game per month, sometimes even less and i can ger any game besides Nintendo with 50% off in 3-6 months.

 

[adamsapple]

The acquisition hasn't even been approved and won't be for over a year most likely. There's also a reasonable possibility that the merger could end up getting blocked due to political pressure to curtail consolidation by big tech being a real thing right now. The Senate Judiciary Comittee passed a bi-partisan backed bill on tech competition 3 days ago.

People are getting way ahead of themselves.

Sorry about introducing politics, but it is absolutely relevant to gaming in this instance.

EDIT: Fixed link (had a bad time-stamp). Very interesting commentary and well worth a look because it says things that people don't say within the gaming space.

This merger isn't getting blocked lol, it won't happen over a fortnight but let's be real, it's gonna happen.

 

[Nautilus]

Fucking hell.

"Noooo, MS buying Bethesda, Activison and Blizzard wont lead to consolidation.Nooooo"

Ficking hell people.Thats what we have been warning about.MS buying studios will make other companies buy up studios too, to protect themselves.

This wont be the last dev Sony buys, Blizzard wont be the last studio MS buys, and Nintendo might get in the game even if to a smaller degree.

This and next year is gonna be chaos, I tell you.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Fucking hell.

"Noooo, MS buying Bethesda, Activison and Blizzard wont lead to consolidation.Nooooo"

Ficking hell people.Thats what we have been warning about.MS buying studios will make other companies buy up studios too, to protect themselves.

This wont be the last dev Sony buys, Blizzard wont be the last studio MS buys, and Nintendo might get in the game even if to a smaller degree.

This and next year is gonna be chaos, I tell you.

Nintendo is gonna buy Capcom is my guess

 

[Nautilus]

Sony endgame here with Bungie is initially to secure a popular IP(Destiny) but ultimatelly to have them work on a (probably) new IP to fill the void that COD left.

Before anyone says, Sony probably knew, as most major companies probably knew, that MS was trying to acquire Activision way before the deal was made public.So thats probably why they started looking into getting bungie. I mean, they probably began this strategy of securing key devs the moment they knew MS got Bethesda. Bethesda wasnt just a hugw blow to Sony and Nintendo to a much lesser extent, but they knew that MS wouldnt stop there.

 

[mansoor1980]

sega should be purchased by nintendo

 

[DrAspirino]

Do you seriously believe this? They're in the same league as Google and Apple. Of course they're a target.

It depends.

In general tech? Yes. Microsoft is one of the biggest along with Google and Apple.

In gaming? They're 3rd at best. 1st is Tencent, 2nd is Sony.

 

[Nautilus]

Nintendo is gonna buy Capcom is my guess

God, I hope not. I want Capcom to remain independant.

 

[DrAspirino]

sega should be purchased by nintendo

Na.

Sega will be bought by Microsoft next wednesday. Mark my words.

Spoiler

 

[BennyBlanco]

God, I hope not. I want Capcom to remain independant.

Yea I hope not too, but they seem to be in bed together and Capcom IPs fit perfectly with Nintendo portfolio of abandoned IPs.

 

[PendekarRajawali]

It's like dating your enemy's ex girlfriend.

 

[Yoboman]

Im sure Sony will allow future Bungie games on Xbox. So long as they allow PSN/Spartacus on Xbox

 

[Astral Dog]

God, I hope not. I want Capcom to remain independant.

Don't worry, nobody is gonna buy Capcom anytime soon, but if one even tries it will be Sony.

Yea I hope not too, but they seem to be in bed together and Capcom IPs fit perfectly with Nintendo portfolio of abandoned IPs.

Nah, Nintendo is very conservative with their money, Capcom is a very big purchase and they aren't looking to be bought, their game development is too high end for Nintendo hardware. only one i see Nintendo acquiring is MercurySteam and thats a MAYBE. They prefer to work together on games rather than buy developers.

CAPCOM's business managment is also very different from Nintendo

 

[reksveks]

Not 100% it's new thread worthy

How many users could the Microsoft/Activision deal bring to Xbox Game Pass?

14% of gamers not currently subscribed to Game Pass said the addition of Call of Duty would most make them consider a subscription

business.yougov.com

Possibly interesting yougov poll

If we combine the results of all the major Activision titles presented to respondents, we see 43% of Xbox gamers in the US – and 48% in the UK – would consider signing up for Game Pass if all the titles were on the platform.

Also of interest is the 46% of PlayStation gamers in the US – and 29% in the UK – who indicated interest in a Game Pass that includes major Activision titles – putting Microsoft in a strong position to carve up its main competitor’s market.

Need to find the sample size

Methodology: YouGov polled 1,200 US adults online on January 19, 2022 between 11:47 a.m. and 7:40 p.m. ET. The survey was carried out through YouGov Direct. Data is weighted by age, gender, education level, political affiliation, and ethnicity. Results are nationally representative of adults in the United States. The margin of error is 2.8% for the overall sample.

YouGov polled 1,200 British adults online on January 19, 2022 between 4:36 and 8:55 p.m. BST. The survey was carried out through YouGov Direct. Data is weighted by age, gender, education level, region, and social grade. Results are nationally representative of adults in Great Britain. The margin of error is 2.8% for the overall sample. Learn more about YouGov Direct.