They have made loads of mistakes. As I said, I disagree about what those are though.
Because there is a good chance that without Game Pass it at least would've made a lot of money from sales at $60. By being on Game Pass no one hardly paid for it AND they didn't make money from MTX either because there was nothing worth buying. This is why Sony isn't putting their games on PS Plus because they know they will make plenty of money without doing it
How many copies did Infinite sell compared to previous entries?
Do you have any stats of how many copies were sold at the $60 regular and $170 Collectors Edition SKUs? How many units of the Halo Infinite Elite controller, mouse pad, mouse, keyboard and headset were sold at launch?
Yes, they're in a difficult spot with character design. Personally think they could have put elites, brutes and marines in, but there's probably some lore about character heights and sizes that preclude that.
I don't think we know but it sure wasn't around in sales charts so it's safe to assume it pretty much bombed in sales where prior Halo games showed up for some time
My dude you are in a thread about how "Halo Infinite Has Not Met Financial Expectations". I think it not showing up in sales charts at all past the first month and this thread should tell you all you need to know but feel free to keep living in denial all you want.
The multi-player mode is f2p. Do you even know what that means? Game pass or no the main mode the title was going to make money from was through the purchase of skins and battle passes. NONE of that is connected to Game pass in anyway shape or form. It has even less to do with Sony and how they currently aren't supporting any f2p titles at all. No matter how many times you try to make this about Game pass it will never be. It's purely a factor of 343i not getting out regular and substantial content post launch in the f2p mode.
Why don't you point us to where Brad Sams blamed Game pass for Halo Infinite's financial situation.
So no stats I see. Just guesstimations and feels.
Thank the gaming gods! As a longtime hardcore Halo fan, they should have all been "reassigned within the company" , "left to pursue other interests" and "left due to family issues" right after the disastrous MCC launch.
So you think the MCC launch was great and that 343 is da bomb developer? What are you referring to in my post? I'm not some 343 super fan like some here. 343 has had issues for years and needed a change in upper management for years. 343 dropped the ball yet again with Infinite, as there was a laundry list of features missing at launch and the post launch support has been anemic. My only point is that I wouldn't be surprised if Infinite has made a little bit of profit because of all the micro transactions in the launch window and all the merchandising surrounding Infinite, to go along with the game sales they did have at launch. If someone has some stats that 343 is big time in the red, please post them. Microsoft expects big things from Halo and they should. Breaking even or making a little bit of profit with Halo isn't enough and executives should be held accountable.
Halo 5 dropped pretty hard though. It launched on October 27th, yet was only 8th in the November NPD then disappeared entirely.
Except Demon Souls cost a fraction of the cost of Halo to make and advertise.Ah yes, digging up stuff from almost two years ago to prove that I do it in "every single thread".
Btw, Demon's Souls charted at #10 in November, while Halo charted at #2 in December, which is the busiest month of the year. Thanks for reminding me, turns out Halo did pretty well after all
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You do though, every single time. Also, you know you've hit rock bottom when you yourself are always talking about how when a Sony game charts it could mean it's just 5k sales. Then to add insult to injury for Halo you compare a somewhat niche PS5 only launch game in a month where PS5 install base was literally nothing and pretend the month of November (when CoD: Cold war, Spiderman Miles Morales, Assassin's Creed Valhalla, and Hyrule Warriors launched) is "not as busy" as last December when Halo that was selling on xbox one, PC and Xbox series 1 year later is somehow a win for you and your argument. I'm not even going to say DS has outsold Halo but you're really trying too hard if your silver lining for Halo's "success" is this.Ah yes, digging up stuff from almost two years ago to prove that I do it in "every single thread".
Btw, Demon's Souls charted at #10 in November, while Halo charted at #2 in December, which is the busiest month of the year. Thanks for reminding me, turns out Halo did pretty well after all
I don't know how to respond to most of what you say because most of what you say makes no sense. No where in that video does Brad Simms say Halo Infinite was a failure financially. Did you watch the video? Better yet have you even played Halo Infinite? The OP thread title is completely misleading and not what the video discusses at all. Brad gives no numbers and the closest that he comes to saying Infinite struggled financially was a hypothetical interaction between 343 and MS that with each delay 343 had to go to MS and ask for another $50 million for development costs. Big assumption based on zero evidence. What he does do is talk about how when the game released it was super positive. The failures that he is referencing now are related to all of the post-release live service issues. Additional content keeps getting delayed or moved or cancelled, etc. Fun fact: Halo 5 is viewed as one of the worst Halo games and yet it was the or one of the most profitable Halo games ever made. Brad Simms assumes a bunch of management is getting shuffled due to disappointment, but wait! Jez recently debunked that theory and states that Bonnie Ross really did leave due to family issues and not because MS was cleaning house. I'm not even defending 343 or Infinite btw. My whole point was that the thread title is not accurate and there have been no numbers released to prove or disprove anything about Infinite's financial situation. I've never disagreed that Infinite is having massive development problems.
Come on man, you can not tell someone how to feel about the game, if his personal experience is enjoyment, let him enjoy himself, no need to try tell him otherwise or that he is wrong, because he is personally having a great time.
This thread isn't for nuanced discussion, it's for shitting on Halo (and Gamepass, and Xbox). Let the boys have their cathartic moment
I don’t care where a game charts.Ah yes, digging up stuff from almost two years ago to prove that I do it in "every single thread".
Btw, Demon's Souls charted at #10 in November, while Halo charted at #2 in December, which is the busiest month of the year. Thanks for reminding me, turns out Halo did pretty well after all
You should if you want to estimate sales.
That's kinda subjective, no?
I can't think of any. Examples?
Common sense says that they must've expected more revenue from the live service part of the game. There is no evidence that they consider Halo a financial failure, though.
Yeah, other than that upper management dismissal, no evidence at all. Companies routinely fire senior executives for great performing games/sarc.
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Financial failure, not meeting financial expectations - however you want to word it. The evidence is that someone has leaked this to Brad Sams, who was accurately reporting about Lockhart and Anaconda before anyone else.
I just realized that my favorite game of all time sold only 500k copies. Robbed!
Where is the 100K figure from?
We don't know the percentage of users that tried Infinite who purchased additional content (vs. Microsoft's expectations), so we don't know if the "disappointing" performance was due to a poor initial "attach rate", or flight of users from the title due to lack of updates. For example perhaps Battle Pass takeup peaked in the first season then fell away as people realized 343 had little to offer players.
Right, and if a product is "bad" then no financial model is going to sustain it. Maybe you will get a better initial launch with a "boxed" only release, but sales will soon tank due to poor word of mouth. Halo 5 retail sales also tanked after the first month.
I kind of agree that it might be long in the tooth / more attractive to an older audience (with fond memories of 1 and 2 especially). But if it had been managed better, I think it would still be a juggernaut. Specifically, if they had actually released the game everyone expected, as next gen only, and around the time Series X released, I think it could have been a huge game that everyone wanted to play to this game.
