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Rumor: Mid-Gen Upgrades for PS5 and Xbox Series X devkits have been received by most AAA studios, according to GTA Forum insider

Black_Stride

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Who wants to bet its actually the slim models which have slightly different clocks and SSD sizes.
I doubt they can release midgens with 650+ dollar price tags in the current climate.
Sony just increased the price of the PS5, so i dont expect a price cut soon to enable to Pro to fit in the 500 - 600 price bracket


Though if it actually is refreshes I wonder if theyve managed to double the perf.
If true I really feel bad for devs.

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XSSx - 8 TFLOPs
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PS5p - 20 TFLOPs
XSXx - 24 TFLOPs
PCMR - 100TFLOPs
 
saintjules

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Fall / Holiday 2024. Bet on it

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Wandering Leopard

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Jaybe said:
They truly envy Apple. I thought PS4 Pro only sold a quarter of all the PS4s sold from the time since it was released (this doesn’t count the PS4s sold Prior to its release). Don’t know if they are expecting different results this time.
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I'm not sure about that all that, they will obviously have looked closely at things like:
  • Whether they recouped R&D costs
  • 1st and 3rd developer feedback (did they find making/testing Pro compatible titles troublesome or more expensive)
  • Did the Pro sell more or less than anticipated
Basically, it's logical to assume that IF this rumour is true, Sony determined last gen's Pro console was a "success".
 
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deriks

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Well, dev kits could be release way before the console itself, so... ok?!

Still, supply is not matching with demand...

Weird times, dude
 
vivftp

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Assuming for a moment that the rumor is true, they ain't releasing these mid-gen consoles now, or even 6 months from now, maybe not even a year from now. It very well could be a 2024 initiative. So the folks complaining about cross-gen, or supply availability of the current models, or the lack of games taking "full advantage" of the current units, y'all need to realize that if these machines are real, they're not being targeted for the market as it is right now, they're being targeted for the market as it will be in the future.

Cross-gen will be a thing of the past (maybe with few exceptions), supply will be everywhere and we'll have tons of games taking full advantage of the current gen machines before these mid-gen units ever see the light of day.

I mean, that'd be like folks whining back in 2014 that the PS4 wasn't even used to its full potential yet, so why do we need a PS4 Pro in 2016?

Again, we have no idea if it'll actually happen or not, and we have no idea what the differences may be in these new machines. I know for Sony I've argued in the past that they're already (and will continue to) produce PC ports of their games that punch above what the PS5 itself can do, so they're already putting in the work to make their games perform better, so why not release a PS5 Pro that will take advantage of that work they're already doing so their console consumers have a chance to experience it as well?
 
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Jaybe

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vivftp said:
Again, we have no idea if it'll actually happen or not, and we have no idea what the differences may be in these new machines. I know for Sony I've argued in the past that they're already (and will continue to) produce PC ports of their games that punch above what the PS5 itself can do, so they're already putting in the work to make their games perform better, so why not release a PS5 Pro that will take advantage of that work they're already doing so their console consumers have a chance to experience it as well?
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Good point. Sony should just take Apple’s approach and call the next one a PS6 and increment every 3 years or so maintaining backcompatibily.
 
vivftp

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Jaybe said:
Good point. Sony should just take Apple’s approach and call the next one a PS6 and increment every 3 years or so maintaining backcompatibily.
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Consoles can't iterate as fast as smartphones as AAA game production would take longer than the span of an entire generation :LOL:
 
vivftp

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Iced Arcade said:
imagine launching updated consoles of consoles you barely have out now. that are still cross gen releasing games.
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Imagine not knowing the difference between a rumor about something that won't release for years and not understanding that said rumored consoles aren't launching today. Yeah, just imagine...
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Seriously, reading the replies in this thread it seems like folks think that new hardware just randomly springs out of the ground a few months before launch and the companies just harvest the crop. Y'all know that hardware is designed and tested many years before it hits the stores, right?
 
Gavon West

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mrBarrelNut said:
Well the consoles are already showing their age. I want upgraded consoles with much more graphics horsepower, especially RT power.
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Showing their age? PS5 nor Series X have been pushed to their limits since this gen began. They both still have a shit load under the hood to give. A next gen refresh for either console isn't necessary right now. Maybe after Unreal 5 is more utilized on games.
 
Loxus

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vivftp said:
Assuming for a moment that the rumor is true, they ain't releasing these mid-gen consoles now, or even 6 months from now, maybe not even a year from now. It very well could be a 2024 initiative. So the folks complaining about cross-gen, or supply availability of the current models, or the lack of games taking "full advantage" of the current units, y'all need to realize that if these machines are real, they're not being targeted for the market as it is right now, they're being targeted for the market as it will be in the future.

Cross-gen will be a thing of the past (maybe with few exceptions), supply will be everywhere and we'll have tons of games taking full advantage of the current gen machines before these mid-gen units ever see the light of day.

I mean, that'd be like folks whining back in 2014 that the PS4 wasn't even used to its full potential yet, so why do we need a PS4 Pro in 2016?

Again, we have no idea if it'll actually happen or not, and we have no idea what the differences may be in these new machines. I know for Sony I've argued in the past that they're already (and will continue to) produce PC ports of their games that punch above what the PS5 itself can do, so they're already putting in the work to make their games perform better, so why not release a PS5 Pro that will take advantage of that work they're already doing so their console consumers have a chance to experience it as well?
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Or just release the PS6 in 2026.
 
Iced Arcade

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vivftp said:
Imagine not knowing the difference between a rumor about something that won't release for years and not understanding that said rumored consoles aren't launching today. Yeah, just imagine...
:pie_smirking:

Seriously, reading the replies in this thread it seems like folks think that new hardware just randomly springs out of the ground a few months before launch and the companies just harvest the crop. Y'all know that hardware is designed and tested many years before it hits the stores, right?
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you should imagine the time frame from dev kits in developers' hands to launch. use the pro/one x for example. yall lol
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vivftp

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Loxus said:
Or just release the PS6 in 2026.
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A 6 year gen eh. The gen was already pushed back a year or so due to the pandemic delaying everything, so effectively that'd be a 5 year gen cycle. Seems much too short, IMO.

I'd expect this gen to last til 2027/2028, so a mid-gen refresh in 2024 lines up pretty well with that time table. Hopefully by then Sony will have their ReRAM production going so we'll have ReRAM replacing the SSD inside the PS6. :)
 
Golgo 13

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Last time the mid-Gen consoles released it made sense - at the time the price of 4K was dropping rapidly and adoption was widespread — and the PS4/XB0 couldn’t handle that output. There’s absolutely zero logic behind a mid-Gen refresh at this point, as it’s been pointed out %99 of games are still cross-Gen and no one has come close to exploiting the full power of the current machines. 8K landed with a thud, and the average person still can’t buy a next-Gen machine by walking into the store.
 
sw0mp_d0nk3y

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reksveks said:
I was going to say that they would just add the year as a suffix but it's not great the more I think about it.
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That is the way they will go though. Series X will get upgraded and Series S will get upgraded the specs of the old Series X(minus the disc drive), both retaining their name. Sony will release a PS5 pro while at the same time making a PS5 slim that will have the original PS5 specs. All games will then be built to run on the lower tier models of both systems, with the premium models getting some minor fps, resolution, and ray tracing upgrades.
 
vivftp

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Golgo 13 said:
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Last time the mid-Gen consoles released it made sense - at the time the price of 4K was dropping rapidly and adoption was widespread — and the PS4/XB0 couldn’t handle that output. There’s absolutely zero logic behind a mid-Gen refresh at this point, as it’s been pointed out %99 of games are still cross-Gen and no one has come close to exploiting the full power of the current machines. 8K landed with a thud, and the average person still can’t buy a next-Gen machine by walking into the store.
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sigh.... I've already pointed out that this rumor is about something in the future, not today, so I won't repeat myself on that. Regarding the logic of making a mid-gen refresh when there's no leap like 4K with the previous gen's refresh models, I think the logic is simple. Say for a moment that either Sony or Microsoft decides to make a mid-gen refresh because the models last gen did well enough, and say the other company decided not to do it. Well then once that mid-gen refresh model comes out, that company will be able to claim the undisputed power crown and the other company will be left standing there with their dick in their hands.

No doubt they'd build these refresh models simply because their market research indicates there's enough demand for it, but they'd also build them simply to ensure they're not the company left holding their dick and watching the competition claim the high end market all to themselves.
 
Lucifers Beard

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No chance. There are key factors that would suggest this is unlikely going to happen.

1. Chip shortage over the last few years means that people haven't been able to grab a new console, despite wanting to. It's better now but still not great in some territories.
2. Most games are still cross gen, no point in having better hardware when you're still designing for the lowest common denominator (with consoles anyway, PC is a different beast).
3. Global economic meltdown with people unable to pay their bills, never mind new consoles.

I also don't remember reading any rumours about AMD working on a new APU, this would have come to light way before developers receiving kits.
 
rofif

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DonkeyPunchJr said:
Does it even matter anymore? All games nowadays are built on cross-platform game engines that scale all the way from smartphones to high end PCs.

The days of games being optimized to the nines for one unique piece of hardware are over.
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You are right and it's a shame
 
kyussman

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chilleverest said:
Hate these mid gen refresh. Nex gen or gtfo.
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I would have agreed with you not long ago......but after waiting so long for XSX/PS5 to be available where I live(they only became available easily in the last month or so),it kind of makes sense for me to wait until these mid gen consoles this time.....also.not exactly many games coming out to make me want to jump into next gen yet.
 
Esppiral

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I have both PS5 and Series X, and none have been properly utilized yet, if these mid gen refreshes are true I may jump to PC only.
 
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Gavon West said:
Showing their age? PS5 nor Series X have been pushed to their limits since this gen began. They both still have a shit load under the hood to give. A next gen refresh for either console isn't necessary right now. Maybe after Unreal 5 is more utilized on games.
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Both are roughly 10 TF consoles with very limited RT capabilities and no AI based upscaling.

Top of the line PC card is close to 100 TF (over 100 TF when overclocked) with amazing RT capabilities and powerful frame generating upscaling. The gap between PC cards and consoles is getting very wide already.

And these consoles are basically low end PC's, they don't have any tricks in the sleeves and nothing special under the hood to give.
 
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balls of snow

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Represent. said:
What the fuck is the point if these idiots are still making cross gen bullshit? How about you push the current hardware first. Not a single real next gen game released yet and you want me to go buy a new toy?
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Everyone was too afraid of making true next gen games now they are fucked in trying to market this. We played that matrix demo, we know what these machine is capable of and yet, nothing comes close yet and now these people wanna sell you a new console.
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Razvedka

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Would be this based on RDNA4? Stuff AMD has cooking but not yet released? It feels too close to RDNA2 to be legitimate. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but the gains necessary to make this a true 'refresh' ala PS4 Pro and XSX aren't really there yet architecturally. PS4 pro was over twice as powerful as the base PS4, and the XSX was much, much more powerful than the Xbox One.

So we'd be looking at APUs which are... What? In the 20-24TF+ ballpark with Zen 3/4 CPUs and all the other custom silicon? I'm not saying that the discreet cards being made by AMD aren't that powerful- I mean clearly that's doable. I'm referring specifically to APUs.

Nevermind that this gen so far has been absolutely farcical. We've not seen a while helluva lot released that's 'stretching' the legs of the base XSX or PS5. It honestly doesn't feel like we've had generational leap defining titles yet beyond Ratchet and Clank and maybe a handful of others between the two machines.
 
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I don't think it has much sense until holiday 2024.
Supply issues haven't been fully solved, inflation and cost of energy have eroded profit margins and made price cuts really difficult to make and most importantly there are just a few titles who even try to use current hardware, the rest are PS4 games with bells and whistles.
 
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