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Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)

Do you believe the deal will be approved?


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The DOJ and the FTC under the current administration have made labor concerns a key point in their renewed focus on "anticompetitive mergers". So yeah, I can see FTC trying to reference the layoffs if (keyword here is IF) they see it as an advantage. Again, I'm not saying they will. The FTC is not subject to state laws when it comes to mergers and acquisitions so whether a state is at will or not is irrelevant.
Incase you haven’t notice the house is no longer democratic it’s Republicans now. How funding and things for different agencies goes is different now. They’re already trying to cut funding already for various agencies from irs to doj and other agencies. It’s not irrelevant when you take it court that’s the laws are you obtuse? Lol
 

gothmog

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Incase you haven’t notice the house is no longer democratic it’s Republicans now. How funding and things for different agencies goes is different now. They’re already trying to cut funding already for various agencies from irs to doj and other agencies. It’s not irrelevant when you take it court that’s the laws are you obtuse? Lol
Both sides of the legislative branch need to agree to a cut, and that is probably not happening. The votes in the House is just red meat for their base. The FTC got a $100+ million increase in budget this year.
 

Topher

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Incase you haven’t notice the house is no longer democratic it’s Republicans now. How funding and things for different agencies goes is different now. They’re already trying to cut funding already for various agencies from irs to doj and other agencies. It’s not irrelevant when you take it court that’s the laws are you obtuse? Lol

None of which has anything to do with the point being made. Obtuse? Check that mirror, pal.
 

NickFire

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The FTC was against the deal from the beginning as a political show of force they have no case it’s just a political stunt. Again you can’t single out Microsoft who’s voted the best company to work for. Also who’s laid of less people than the other tech companies in 5 years. That argument holds no weight. It sucks but you also don’t know what severance packages look like. Also the gaming industry has layoffs every project that’s a higher frequency than Microsoft how can you apply that logic to them as a Company?
I don't think people should make huge leaps about the impact the layoffs will have. But I wouldn't dismiss them either. Your first sentence is part of the reason why. If the reviews and challenges from 3 major regulatory bodies are partially or completely politically motivated as some suggest, then any news of layoffs could become another reason for the challenges to continue and/or intensify. No one who sees a challenge as a political win will think brushing off layoffs will help their next campaign.
 

Topher

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I don't think people should make huge leaps about the impact the layoffs will have. But I wouldn't dismiss them either. Your first sentence is part of the reason why. If the reviews and challenges from 3 major regulatory bodies are partially or completely politically motivated as some suggest, then any news of layoffs could become another reason for the challenges to continue and/or intensify. No one who sees a challenge as a political win will think brushing off layoffs will help their next campaign.

Exactly right. Again, these are lawyers who want to win a case. They can make whatever argument they want. That doesn't mean the FTC will even bring up the layoffs. It certainly isn't outside the realm of possibility. That's all that is being said here. Not sure why it is difficult to understand.
 
Soo...With 10,000 people laid off, their gaming studios particularly hard hit and the Halo Infinite campaign team supposedly gutted, aren't things quite negative for Xbox if the deal doesn't actually close?

Seems like they jumped the gun, if the thought was that there would be too much redundant staff after the deal.

A lot of these big tech companies have been laying people off. They saw huge growth during COVID.
 

Ronin_7

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Soo...With 10,000 people laid off, their gaming studios particularly hard hit and the Halo Infinite campaign team supposedly gutted, aren't things quite negative for Xbox if the deal doesn't actually close?

Seems like they jumped the gun, if the thought was that there would be too much redundant staff after the deal.
Xbox studios are already top tier garbage management Wise, they'll probably close half by the end of the Gen.

We already have Lucid handling Sea of Thieves, Crystal Dynamics doing Perfect Dark along others. Those studios have no idea what they're doing.
 

reksveks

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Microsoft's planned $69 billion acquisition of Activision Blizzard will be probed by a California federal judge at a March 23 hearing, as she mulls whether to issue a temporary block on the deal – although that hearing date could slip if Microsoft stipulates that it won't close the deal by the end of March.

In a San Francisco courtroom, US District Judge Jacqueline Scott Corley said she will deny Microsoft's motion to stay the private litigation in California from a proposed class of video game buyers who say the deal violates Section 7 of the Clayton Act.

Discovery questions in the case will be discussed further at a Feb. 2 case management hearing, Corley said. The plaintiffs are seeking depositions of top Microsoft executives including Chief Executive Satya Nadella, as well as representatives of Sony and Nintendo, it emerged today.

The US Federal Trade Commission challenged the merger on Dec. 8, warning that it would harm competition in high-performance gaming consoles and subscription services by denying or degrading rivals' access to Activision's content. Meanwhile, the EU's competition regulator is also expected to issue formal objections to the deal (see here).

Activision owns a number of popular video game titles including Call of Duty. As the in-person hearing started, Judge Corley disclosed that her son works for Microsoft's medical AI division – which is not a disqualifiable conflict. "And I disclose that my children did play Call of Duty," Corley added.

For the plaintiffs, lawyer Joseph M. Alioto agreed there was no conflict. "I would play the games if I understood how to do it," he added.

Corley then cut straight to the point.

"So, reading the papers, it's established, I think, that the plaintiffs have to have the opportunity to bring a motion for preliminary injunction before the merger consummates," she said. "I'm not going to grant the motion to stay for all the reasons that [the plaintiffs] say."

The judge then asked Microsoft lawyer Anastasia Pastan whether the company was willing to stipulate that the deal would not close before March 31, giving the plaintiffs time to litigate their case.

Given the ongoing regulatory procedures around the world, "there is no chance that the deal can close before March 31," Pastan told the judge.

Alioto said the plaintiffs are concerned that the deal could close "overnight" without a clear stipulation from Microsoft. Pastan replied that this "mischaracterizes" the state of the deal, given the multiple regulatory procedures underway.

"Then put your money where your mouth is" and stipulate to a specific date, Corley told the Microsoft lawyer. In the meantime, Corley said she would set a March 23 date for a hearing on the plaintiffs' motion for a preliminary injunction. With Microsoft's verbal stipulation that the deal can't close before March 31, the plaintiffs are protected, she noted.

"If Microsoft wants to drag it out beyond that, Microsoft needs to stipulate that it will not close," Corley told Pastan.

For the plaintiffs, Alioto suggested that the motion for a preliminary injunction and the motion for a permanent block on the merger could be heard at the same time. "We would be prepared to go to trial certainly in the first week of April, if not the last week of March," he said.

Corley replied that she'd make a decision on that only once she's reviewed all the papers in the case.
 
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Three

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It does make you wonder, maybe the Activision/Blizzard deal will go through after all, I mean if the regulators see how Microsoft ruined there biggest IP (Halo) then what does the competition have to worry about. 🧠

Maybe the Activision/Blizzard deal will go through after all, I mean if the regulators see how Microsoft ruined one of there biggest IPs (Halo), then what does the competition have to worry about. 🧠

Tbh if you really think about it the Activision/Blizzard deal may go through now after all, I mean if the regulators see how Microsoft ruined there biggest IP (Halo), then what does the competition have to worry about. 🧠
What's wrong with you lad? Do I need to give you a jog?

Why are you posting this in various threads?
 

feynoob

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The deal will go through, that‘s not in doubt. The real question is what concessions will have to accept MS. If Call of Duty cannot be put into gamepass as a concession, MS may not be interested anymore in the acquisition.
That concession makes no sense.
It should be no exclusive for COD. This way, COD won't be tied to 10 year contract.

Better outcome for everyone.

Not putting on gamepass day1 means, MS can make it exclusive, and would put the game on gamepass after 1-3 year of release.
 

Ronin_7

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The deal will go through, that‘s not in doubt. The real question is what concessions will have to accept MS. If Call of Duty cannot be put into gamepass as a concession, MS may not be interested anymore in the acquisition.
That's the problem, the deal can go through sure but EC is usually ruthless, selling CoD & Studios might be on the table... Would Microsoft accept that? Seems literally insane.
 

aries_71

Junior Member
That concession makes no sense.
It should be no exclusive for COD. This way, COD won't be tied to 10 year contract.

Better outcome for everyone.

Not putting on gamepass day1 means, MS can make it exclusive, and would put the game on gamepass after 1-3 year of release.
They don’t want to make it exclusive. They want to have it as their real Gaas system in gamepass day 1, while the rest can buy it at 79€ elsewhere (as of now). That‘s the cornerstone of the acquisition, the rest is just icing on the cake. If they cannot put it in game pass day 1, the strategy fails.
 
Seems Google is doing the same thing as MS too.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-64346921

do you guys think gaming companies would do the same thing too?
Nah theres a difference between these big tech companys, publishers and game development studios.

Big tech has been growing to much, is experiencing more scrutiny by laws and taxes around the world and theres a looming recession. There could be a multitude of reasons for those layoffs.

Its bitter for sure but thats how successfull business has to operate unfortunatley. Especially if the company made a mistake, misjudged the near future or the circumstances changed due to unforseeable reasons
 
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Ronin_7

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They don’t want to make it exclusive. They want to have it as their real Gaas system in gamepass day 1, while the rest can buy it at 79€ elsewhere (as of now). That‘s the cornerstone of the acquisition, the rest is just icing on the cake. If they cannot put it in game pass day 1, the strategy fails.
They want to make it exclusive but they can't or the deal would be blocked instantly.

So they're playing the good guys game now, if you think otherwise I've bridge I'd want to sell you 👍
 

Iced Arcade

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Seems Google is doing the same thing as MS too.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-64346921

do you guys think gaming companies would do the same thing too?
sadly happens every year. sony usually does it cuts in March/April.

Maybe but at the moment some of Sonys studios are building up. Anything is possible really.
last year Sony laid off a few dozen while they were building up / buying studios. I hope not but it's how these corporations work in the first quarter (especially with recession looming).
 
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aries_71

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They want to make it exclusive but they can't or the deal would be blocked instantly.

So they're playing the good guys game now, if you think otherwise I've bridge I'd want to sell you 👍
Nah… making it exclusive doesn’t make any sense with their gamepass strategy. Every hardcore COD player would end up in gamepass, whether Xbox or Pc. They want the gamepass numbers to grow and a serious gaas title to retain those numbers.

Sony players would have to pay 79€ for the same, as they do now. MS doesn’t care if you buy COD for Nintendo, Sony or whatever while their gamepass goals are fulfilled.

Keep the bridge. The acquisition is linked to their gamepass strategy. If you don’t understand that, I have a bridge too to sell you.
 

feynoob

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They don’t want to make it exclusive. They want to have it as their real Gaas system in gamepass day 1, while the rest can buy it at 79€ elsewhere (as of now). That‘s the cornerstone of the acquisition, the rest is just icing on the cake. If they cannot put it in game pass day 1, the strategy fails.
The issue is 10 year contract isn't guaranteed for Sony.
While gamepass day1 is itself an issue, making the game exclusive is worse than that.

If it comes to either concession, Sony would want the latter, as that guarantees them COD on their system.
 

Ronin_7

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Nah… making it exclusive doesn’t make any sense with their gamepass strategy. Every hardcore COD player would end up in gamepass, whether Xbox or Pc. They want the gamepass numbers to grow and a serious gaas title to retain those numbers.

Sony players would have to pay 79€ for the same, as they do now. MS doesn’t care if you buy COD for Nintendo, Sony or whatever while their gamepass goals are fulfilled.

Keep the bridge. The acquisition is linked to their gamepass strategy. If you don’t understand that, I have a bridge too to sell you.
Lmao delusional is at a All time high in here 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Where's Starfield & Redfall then? On PlayStation? ONLY Gamepass matters or not?

I'll repeat, I've a bridge I'd want to sell you, Hit me up.
 

aries_71

Junior Member
The issue is 10 year contract isn't guaranteed for Sony.
While gamepass day1 is itself an issue, making the game exclusive is worse than that.

If it comes to either concession, Sony would want the latter, as that guarantees them COD on their system.
Of course making it exclusive would be worse for Sony, but business strategy decisions don’t work like that. You want to do what’s better for you, not what is worse for your competition.

MS need a game that retains gamepass subscribers all year long. They know that titles from Arkane or Bethesda would increment numbers temporarily, but not retain them long term. That’s exactly how streaming platforms work: titles to pike interest and titles to retain subscribers. For that you need a heavy gaas, and Sea of Thieves is not it. COD is.

If you want to fuck MS, forbid them from publishing COD on gamepass. That would ruin entirely their long term strategy and would need a plan B.
 

Elios83

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That's the problem, the deal can go through sure but EC is usually ruthless, selling CoD & Studios might be on the table... Would Microsoft accept that? Seems literally insane.

I indeed expect that in the next few weeks significant remedies will be asked, as a minimum COD will have to stay multiplatform and also available on other gaming subscription services outside Gamepass, that's really the main anticompetitive point.
Further remedies could be asked as well involving general publishing strategies.
At that point there will be the final crossroad, either Microsoft decides it's still worth it or they will not agree and the deal won't go through.
 

feynoob

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Of course making it exclusive would be worse for Sony, but business strategy decisions don’t work like that. You want to do what’s better for you, not what is worse for your competition.

MS need a game that retains gamepass subscribers all year long. They know that titles from Arkane or Bethesda would increment numbers temporarily, but not retain them long term. That’s exactly how streaming platforms work: titles to pike interest and titles to retain subscribers. For that you need a heavy gaas, and Sea of Thieves is not it. COD is.

If you want to fuck MS, forbid them from publishing COD on gamepass. That would ruin entirely their long term strategy and would need a plan B.
It isn't up to MS. It's up to regulators on what concession is important.

Blocking Gamepass COD won't anything, as long as they have that exclusive option.

Gamepass to them right now is extra service (future investment).
 
Unity is an engine developer that has some serious management issues imo. They always change their course and only rarly finishing what they started.

Riot also has been growing huge in the past years. They have/had plans for several games in the LOL universe. As I said theres a difference between publishers and game development studios. You can't compare Riot with to Santa Monica Studios (just as an example) so you can't really put all of those different things into one pot.
 
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feynoob

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Of topic
Chelsea vs Liverpool
The clash of midtable. Yet the most boring game ever this weekend.
Both team were toothless, aside of that offside first goal.

At least elsackico match was fun. Lampard in the mud. Gonna be fun day, when he gets sacked.
 

CuNi

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This thread was on page three. Wtf... Do better, everyone.

Everything about this deal was already dissected 3–4 times and argued from every angle.
Until there is really any new news, I think there is nothing new to say and going in circles gets us nowhere.
The same people will say the same stuff until there is any news to push the narrative either one direction or the other.
 

IFireflyl

Gold Member
Everything about this deal was already dissected 3–4 times and argued from every angle.
Until there is really any new news, I think there is nothing new to say and going in circles gets us nowhere.
The same people will say the same stuff until there is any news to push the narrative either one direction or the other.

Christopher Reeve Reaction GIF
 

3liteDragon

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Felt like this deserved it's own thread, but mods can merge it with the OT thread if they want.
The Xbox maker wants Sony to divulge details of PlayStation’s game production pipeline.
Microsoft has served Sony Interactive Entertainment with a subpoena as it looks to build its defence against a Federal Trade Commission (FTC) lawsuit. According to a court filing, the Xbox maker wants Sony to divulge details of PlayStation’s game production pipeline. The information, which Microsoft believes is relevant to its case, may include confidential details that Sony would be reluctant to share with its rival if possible.

“Negotiations between SIE and Microsoft as to the scope of SIE’s production and a discovery schedule are ongoing,” the filing reads. Following a week-long extension, Sony has until January 27 to move to limit, quash or otherwise respond to the subpoena. In December, the FTC announced plans to sue Microsoft in a bid to stop its $69 billion acquisition of Activision Blizzard, which the regulator argues would enable the company to “suppress competitors” to its Xbox console, subscription content and cloud gaming business.

Among other concerns, the FTC and Sony have expressed worries that the deal could significantly reduce PlayStation’s ability to compete, given that it would see Microsoft gain ownership of the Call of Duty series, which Sony has called “irreplaceable”. In their responses to the FTC’s complaint, Microsoft and Activision have argued that their merger would be procompetitive and benefit consumers by making the Call of Duty publisher’s games more broadly available.

In a bid to address regulatory concerns, Microsoft recently said it had offered Sony a 10-year, legally enforceable contract to make each new Call of Duty game available on PlayStation the same day it comes to Xbox. The FTC said earlier this month that there had been no “substantive” settlement talks with Microsoft over the proposed acquisition. If it goes to trial, the case will be judged during hearings set to take place in August 2023.


 

gothmog

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I'd say merge it with the other thread or at least put it in there rather than create it's own thread, but I'm not a mod.

I don't see Sony having an issue with this. I think there has been plenty said in public about how Playstation's pipeline and developer support works. The "secret" if there even is one is the execution and not the process IMO.
 
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