CrimsonSquall
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Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)
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Aguero9320
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Discovery is a massive PITA. And yes, I'm speaking from experience. Incredibly stressful, as every line of everything you ever did is picked over and taken out of context to make you look bad.
I can't see how Sony will be able to limit it, given the thrust of their objections. Both sides will be hoping this is settled without going to court.
I can't see how Sony will be able to limit it, given the thrust of their objections. Both sides will be hoping this is settled without going to court.
Ghost of Caelid
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They’ll have an issue because their argument falls on how much Sony will be losing but if they must show what they have in development or third party deals it kills that defense. Hope it leaks so I can see when the new sly cooper is coming out
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mansoor1980
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what the fuck
bitbydeath
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They know Sony’s hiding their games, Sony not having a first party showcase last year is unprecedented.
gothmog
Gold Member
That's not what the article says: "According to a court filing, the Xbox maker wants Sony to divulge details of PlayStation’s game production pipeline". That's pretty clear that they are looking for how it is produced and not what they're producing. It would be none of their business what they have in their pipeline.They’ll have an issue because their argument falls on how much Sony will be losing but if they must show what they have in development or third party deals it kills that defense. Hope it leaks so I can see when the new sly cooper is coming out
Now, I don't see a link to the actual subpoena with details of what they were asking for but it sounded like SIE pointed out that they delivered it to the wrong person and therefore just need more time to respond to it. It didn't sound like they were actually challenging it but just saying that the timeframe was impacted by the clerical error (wrong recipient).
feynoob
Member
It was always like that.
This deal was a good circus theatre.
bentanchorbolt
Banned
Jim Ryan "you know on second thought MS owning Acitvision would be the finest thing for the industry of all-time. Can't wait to have dinner with Phil to celebrate"
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DarkMage619
$MSFT
Sony had a lot to say to regulators so they should be more than happy to show how MS owning Activision keeps them from being able to compete. I'd imagine they should be excited to share.
Grildon Tundy
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What is Microsoft's angle in this? Make trouble for Sony so they back off? Trying to show that Activision being bought doesn't impact the nuts-and-bolts process of Sony's game development (even though the argument is about market share--not production process)?
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MarkMe2525
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This was to be expected. Sony has made certain claims that now need to be backed up with due process. As a key voice in the move to block the acquisition, they at some point were going to have to speak their reasonings in court. No surprise here.
I imagine MS is fishing for any confidential conversations between Sony and other publishers that hint at systematic maneuvering and agreements that inhibit MS ability to sign third party deals, or moves that Sony has made that can be perceived as Sony using their marketplace position to strong arm studios into not playing fair with MS. Who knows what they will find or if they will find anything at all.
Another thought, maybe MS would try to show that Sony has the ability to indeed create a competing product to Call of Duty, but imply that because of an under the table agreement between Sony and Activision, Sony stays out of the Call of Duty space. This of course is just conjecture, but IIRC Sony hasn't developed any competing multiplayer first person shooter games since they signed the marketing agreement in 2014 with Activision for Destiny followed by CoD.
In all likelihood, nothing will come of this and this is just a case of MS lawyers posturing. I can't imagine Sony will be compelled by the courts to release any proprietary information.
I imagine MS is fishing for any confidential conversations between Sony and other publishers that hint at systematic maneuvering and agreements that inhibit MS ability to sign third party deals, or moves that Sony has made that can be perceived as Sony using their marketplace position to strong arm studios into not playing fair with MS. Who knows what they will find or if they will find anything at all.
Another thought, maybe MS would try to show that Sony has the ability to indeed create a competing product to Call of Duty, but imply that because of an under the table agreement between Sony and Activision, Sony stays out of the Call of Duty space. This of course is just conjecture, but IIRC Sony hasn't developed any competing multiplayer first person shooter games since they signed the marketing agreement in 2014 with Activision for Destiny followed by CoD.
In all likelihood, nothing will come of this and this is just a case of MS lawyers posturing. I can't imagine Sony will be compelled by the courts to release any proprietary information.
Snowdonhoffen
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Why is this needed? to show Sony has a lot of stuff in the works?
Wouldn't that kinda work against them too if they are asked to share the same details? I mean, they have 23 studios, they must be doing something too. Hell, even Aaron said last year they had a lot in the works that hasn't been announced so I dunno, it just seems weird.
Wouldn't that kinda work against them too if they are asked to share the same details? I mean, they have 23 studios, they must be doing something too. Hell, even Aaron said last year they had a lot in the works that hasn't been announced so I dunno, it just seems weird.
01011001
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ZehDon
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If you want the Government to intervene on your behalf because you claim it'll be harmful for your business based on your current practices if they don't, you have to know that at some point you're going to need to prove that claim. Sony will need to show how Microsoft buying Activision allows Microsoft to foreclose on them. The FTC running with Sony's claims means Microsoft really has no choice but to get Sony to explain those claims, because the FTC clearly can't. Sony will need to explain how all of its developers, studios, games, and revenue streams are pointless garbage compared to Call of Duty. Should be a fun read.A wise man once said: "When everyone plays, we all win"
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GHG
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The goofballs couldn't even get this right. Gave me a good chuckle.
That Jimbo always lending a charitable hand.
Honestly with everything that's going on it makes me question the team Microsoft have working on this.
You would expect them to throw their top guys at this but apparently not. First quoting twitter posts by Tom Warren and now this. It's embarrassing.
SplunkyMunkey
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Sony should buy EA Games and throw them the same garbage microsoft has been saying
Iced Arcade
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Well at least fans will get the ultimate game showcase they wanted. 
This will literally show every game the have in the pipeline for the PS5. I'm ok with it, sounds exciting.
This will literally show every game the have in the pipeline for the PS5. I'm ok with it, sounds exciting.
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reinking
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That would be a dumb move if they plan to recoup all of that 69 billion.
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twilo99
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That’s good content right there.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
LMAO. Is it just me or does this read like Phil wants to know just how Sony is able to continue releasing first party exclusive after exclusive every year lol.
It's not that hard Phil. Just dont layoff developers the year they are supposed to ship a game.
That said, I'm all for this. Jimbo is running his PS division like the Manhattan project. As if just revealing the existence of some games is some kind of top secret thats going to jeopardize national security. If they have to reveal what they are working on in a filing then at least we will know what these studios have been working on for the past 3-5 years.
PonyStation4
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I don't see why Sony should accept Microsofts subpoena to show all the games they have in development. Seems like Microsoft is trying to show the FTC that they have very few games, while Sony has a lot of 3rd party games.
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James Sawyer Ford
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I'LL SHOW YOU MINE IF YOU SHOW ME YOURS
TEE HEE
TEE HEE
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clarky
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Its just you. They basically want them to show the courts exactly what/how many releases they have coming up and why the acquisition could hurt them as much as they claim when they have so many of their own games coming out.
James Sawyer Ford
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Sony doesn't need to show their exclusives to prove that losing Activision would massively hurt them long term.
All they have to do is look at the top NPD sellers every single year for like two decades LMFAO.
Buggy Loop
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
There is a stat out there that shows how CoD is literally played by 55% of console players. It was from some market research firm. Sony should have hard data backing this up. With Warzone now being F2P, the percentage is probably even higher.
For example, GTAV which has sold over 150 million units is second with 45% among all console players. CoD sells 20-30 million a year and is played by more people. Go do the math. It is going to completely devastate Sony's Playstation business which relies heavily on 45 million PS+ subs that are primarily driven by yearly CoD and the 30% of digital sales cut which would take a massive hit even if half the console's CoD userbase decides to jump ship. Enough to turn Sony into a third party publisher or a smaller much less ambitious first party manufacturer like Nintendo who simply couldnt compete with the big boys and left the console market altogether. Or the handheld market. Pick whatever. They basically had to condense their handheld and console business into one to remain competitive. Sony will have to downscale to account for 50% less revenue.
In Cold Blood
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Nice. Sony stuck their nose in, now they have to pay the piper.
oldergamer
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Did anyone really think ms wouldn't call on sony to out any unannounced exclusive deals?
Pelta88
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Microsoft has always wanted a peep behind the scenes at PlayStation. They're gonna be shocked when they found out the "secrete sauce" is simply staying off twitter / instagram posting pics with your devs. And instead, just let the developers develop.
The Lawsuit is frivolous. I'm not aware of a law which compels any entity to give their direct rival a tour of their IP, accounts, and production schedule. That looks like desperation and I'll be surprised if MS gets any relevant info out of Sony.
The Lawsuit is frivolous. I'm not aware of a law which compels any entity to give their direct rival a tour of their IP, accounts, and production schedule. That looks like desperation and I'll be surprised if MS gets any relevant info out of Sony.
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MayauMiao
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Perhaps this..
Microsoft Subpoenas Sony In Lawsuit With The FTC - PlayStation Universe
Microsoft has subpoenaed Sony in its lawsuit against the FTC, to which Sony now has until January 27, 2023 to respond to in some form.
www.psu.com
Kumomeme
Member
i can see where they intended going with this. they want to 'prove' that sony is 'dominating' enough with their production line up, try hard to looks like the 'real' monoploy victim here.
but at same time it could embarrassed themself. when people start to compare studio production line up and output between these two company.
but at same time it could embarrassed themself. when people start to compare studio production line up and output between these two company.
Mr Moose
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Won't they have to show their own tactics of their third party exclusives as well if they try this shit?Perhaps this..
Microsoft Subpoenas Sony In Lawsuit With The FTC - PlayStation Universe
Microsoft has subpoenaed Sony in its lawsuit against the FTC, to which Sony now has until January 27, 2023 to respond to in some form.www.psu.com
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