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[Mohonky]

Well there's your first problem. Kotaku is hardly what I would call "normal" let alone a reputable outlet.

I just went to Kotaku to check out what the appeal is; who writes this shit? I don't even understand the appeal of any of the articles. It's basically a website for 13yr old weebs.

 

[E-Cat]

Doesn’t make sexual immorality ok…..

Immoral how?

 

[Nobody_Important]

Doesn’t make sexual immorality ok…..

Immoral by whose standards?

 

[Coconutt]

What can you do though? Of course the women doing the spicy content is a problem but so are the weak men who give up their bucks for it.

 

[anthony2690]

I think your problem is you're reading kotaku and browsing tiktok to know who these people are

 

[Fools idol]

so who is gonna tell him that girls generally dont care all that much about muscles on dudes?

 

[kurisu_1974]

so what's up with kotaku

 

[Toots]

Writers at kotaku, buzzfeed, etc. normalize porn because it is the only kind of sexual interaction they can get.

 

[Spaceman292]

0/10 reply, I’m getting mine just fine, thanks. Are you going to comment on the topic or just shitpost?

bro this thread is embarrassing

 

[jason10mm]

so who is gonna tell him that girls generally dont care all that much about muscles on dudes?

Thats sounds just like all the instagram thots saying that an older guy with a dad bod is their perfect guy to snuggle up watching Star Wars movies all night with

Dey be playin' yah, fool!

 

[German Hops]

why do you people keep bumping up this thread?

 

[Trogdor1123]

It is part of our society collapsing. There are lots of negatives that come out of the normalization of this.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

I think there's a big conversation to be had here. Over indulgence on porn is certainly harmful to men. The data is clear on that.

It's probably not your average women's first choice of career either but when the economy is as shit as it is you gotta do what you gotta do.

 

[nush]

I think there's a big conversation to be had here. Over indulgence on porn is certainly harmful to men. The data is clear on that.

It's probably not your average women's first choice of career either but when the economy is as shit as it is you gotta do what you gotta do.

They make mad bank from it.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

They make mad bank from it.

Some do for sure. Lots of sad men out there. Which is a huge problem. They'd rather stay at their mom's house jacking it to unattainable women then improving themselves. If only these guys watched men like Jocko/huberman instead we might be in a better place.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

why do you people keep bumping up this thread?

Hoping for pics tbh

 

[NecrosaroIII]

I tried watching porn while taking mushrooms over the weekend. It felt unnatural. I didn't like kt

It sent me on a spiral where I pondered sexuality. Arousal and sexuality is such a deep, powerful aspect of the human experience, and it feels weird that we channel that into facsimiles of people.

 

[Fools idol]

Thats sounds just like all the instagram thots saying that an older guy with a dad bod is their perfect guy to snuggle up watching Star Wars movies all night with

Dey be playin' yah, fool!

I've never met a chick that likes the meat head gym look. Dudes that are in shape with ripped abs and muscles are maybe 1% of the population lets be real. Instagram is not real life.

 

[Rentahamster]

Can anyone explain this or I'm officially 'old man yelling at the cloud'?

Is this attitude part of why Amazon thinks Western audiences don't like sexy things?

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/amaz...st-class-skins-for-western-audiences.1654117/

 

[badblue]

Hoping for pics tbh

 

[LordOfChaos]

I know a couple of mid-ass people who do OF. It seems pretty commonplace and maybe just a sign of the stage of capitalism we're in, where people have to peddle their bodies for any amount of financial independence. I'm not really judging. It's the people who pay them that mystify me, don't you know porn is free lol, also the bigger accounts often have a social manager replying instead of themselves.

 

[LordOfChaos]

Looks like an eye embigenning filter on most of the direct face pictures, could also find 30 better looking people on a quick walk around downtown lol. That seems to be the recipe with OF. Who pays for this, fess up?!

 

[93xfan]

I personally thought it was odd in the 90s when on Friends they were normalizing watching porn. They all casually just watched it like it was nothing in a few scenes.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

I personally thought it was odd in the 90s when on Friends they were normalizing watching porn. They all casually just watched it like it was nothing in a few scenes.

Maybe they should have called it More Than Friends.

 

[93xfan]

I never understood the minds of people like this one who complain about hot chicks getting naked. I don't get it. What the fuck is in their heads that makes them react like this. The only place I ever seen guys behave like this is online. Not once in my entire life have I ever heard a guy in a bar complain about hot naked women. It's never happened. Not once. It's gotta be a internet thing. No normal guy would ever whine about girls getting naked. It's pretty much all we think about

I’m sure they would if it’s someone close to them who is ruining their life. I’m sure fathers and brothers of the women don’t like it. It’s not like porn actresses never have regrets or get pushed to cross more and more lines.

far as the bolded… yeah, and having all this access to it is not helping us or society. It doesn’t make you a better husband, or father. It takes away your time and motivation for other things.

Add in that young children get access to it too.

And for all that, are we even content? No. We demand more, all the time.

 

[jason10mm]

I've never met a chick that likes the meat head gym look. Dudes that are in shape with ripped abs and muscles are maybe 1% of the population lets be real. Instagram is not real life.

I dunno, I think there is a def preference for "guy who is athletic and has some definition" versus "jelly blob shaped slob". Now an extreme hypertrophic muscle gym rat, yeah I can see that being intimidating to lots of girls.

 

[Signal Rockets]

In general, I messaged a lot of women on AW over the past two decades. Some were porn stars. I always found their demeanor to be cold. You need only look at their Twitter posts to get the jist of their attitude.

Some charge ridiculous prices and they don't blog in a very friendly manner. Looks like a bucket list most of the time. Always comes across in a, "Me, me, me" kind of tone.

The other night, I told somebody my mum has major health issues. All she did was say, "Not the DM I was expecting." Anybody with common sense would say something semi-comforting like, "Sorry to hear that, honey." The next reply was all about her sucking skills, with a request to tip her.

What a slag.

 

[Kamina]

why do you people keep bumping up this thread?

Porn in the title

 

[Blade2.0]

I'm protective of my friends... And she's an actual friend... Been friends for over a decade when we both worked at the mag.

So you would knowingly reduce her income. not very friendly of you, mate.

 

[Blade2.0]

Lets not start this "immoral" shit, okay?

You could literally name 1000 jobs that would be considered more "immoral" than a sex worker, especially in this day and age where we as a society shuffle from one "once in a generation event" to another.

porn is bad juju, but Dupont literally poisoning the world with microplastics. A-ok!

I never understood the minds of people like this one who complain about hot chicks getting naked. I don't get it. What the fuck is in their heads that makes them react like this. The only place I ever seen guys behave like this is online. Not once in my entire life have I ever heard a guy in a bar complain about hot naked women. It's never happened. Not once. It's gotta be a internet thing. No normal guy would ever whine about girls getting naked. It's pretty much all we think about

I'm of the mind that any woman I find attractive can and should get naked in front of me. Sadly real life just sucks.

 

[UnNamed]

So I came across an article from Kotaku: https://kotaku.com/onlyfans-pornhub-horror-game-tiktok-molly-moon-airdorf-1850213718

Just so that I make it clear for you: the girl is an amateur porn actress, her Pornhub is full of sex scenes .

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

In nations where prostitution is regulated, legal and monitored, incidents of rape, domestic violence and other violent acts against women drop like a stone.

Nothing immoral about that.

This kind of disinformation is pushed heavily by organizations that are deeply invested in normalizing sex work prostitution & pornograpy, but it's a very questionable reading.

On the reverse side, you can read a ton of articles (*not just popular or anecdotal ones; search various psychology / abuse citations on a scholar db) which clearly detail how more violent & degrading sexual behaviors have dramatically increased in dating & hookup scene due to the warping of expectations from pornographic fantasies. Yep, all of that existed in the past in some form, but we've never seen a time on earth when the saturation & spread of it was so ubiquitous that nearly every young woman who starts dating is guaranteed to be involved with men who have seen more intense porn in the past month than the top .001% of society could ever access in prior centuries.

 

[12Goblins]

its called living in a free society OP

 

[E-Cat]

This kind of disinformation is pushed heavily by organizations that are deeply invested in normalizing sex work prostitution & pornograpy, but it's a very questionable reading.

On the reverse side, you can read a ton of articles (*not just popular or anecdotal ones; search various psychology / abuse citations on a scholar db) which clearly detail how more violent & degrading sexual behaviors have dramatically increased in dating & hookup scene due to the warping of expectations from pornographic fantasies. Yep, all of that existed in the past in some form, but we've never seen a time on earth when the saturation & spread of it was so ubiquitous that nearly every young woman who starts dating is guaranteed to be involved with men who have seen more intense porn in the past month than the top .001% of society could ever access in prior centuries.

You refer to "prior centuries" as some universal standard of the "cosmic order of things". However, marriage as a concept didn't exist until about 2350 BC.

That is to say, only for about 1/50 of the era of modern man. Or just a bit more than 1/1000000 of the history of life.

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

You refer to "prior centuries" as some universal standard of the "cosmic order of things". However, marriage as a concept didn't exist until about 2350 BC.

So, for at least 4,000 years. (Actually that date is bullshit because it's only the first recorded marriage we have access to, and even the most skeptical historians would generally agree that it likely long predates that with essentially zero evidence of any lost civilized state prior to marriage, but let's run with it for sake of argument)

What a strange reply. Close to zero of the ethical norms that are quasi-universal across the globe today were broadly active 4,000 years ago. So... if you're saying that anything less than 4k years old is arbitrary, you'll have to throw out restrictions on all kinds of rape, brutality, enslavement, and much much more. I'm not sure where this is going.

 

[Nydius]

I guess I'm just old because I'm over here wondering why the OP is acting like "normalizing porn" is new, as if it wasn't normalized decades ago. My dad used to get catalogs for VHS porn and black wrapped Penthouse and Hustler magazines in the mail when I was a kid in the 1980s. The store where we used to go and buy my parents' cigarettes used to have a wide array of porn mags, unwrapped, visible, behind the counter. There were three "adult video" stores within 2 miles of my house.

Porn's been normalized for as long as I've been alive. The only thing the internet has done is expose that there are some men (and women) who easily fall victim to destructive parasocial relationships simply because they can chat with a "porn star" (amateur or professional) via social media or some other site.

 

[E-Cat]

What a strange reply. Close to zero of the ethical norms that are quasi-universal across the globe today were broadly active 4,000 years ago. So... if you're saying that anything less than 4k years old is arbitrary, you'll have to throw out restrictions on all kinds of rape, brutality, enslavement, and much much more. I'm not sure where this is going.

So you're saying we have become morally less reprehensible over the centuries, yet using norms on sexuality from past centuries as an example of how everything was "better" back then, while conveniently ignoring all the fucked up shit that was taking place?

Women weren't even allowed to think of sex as a pleasurable activity, only as a means to an end to secure offspring and a necessary evil to satisfy the husband's urges -- with no real say in the process, and quite possibly trapped in a loveless marriage arranged out of economic necessity. If you think unmitigated sexual violence on women was less in those days, I don't know what to tell you... raping your wife was probably as common as drinking afternoon tea in some households, with no fear of repercussions.

But, sure, let's clutch our pearls because men (and some women) now have an outlet for their urges that doesn't involve subjugating another human against their will because that might create some expectations down the line that make someone like you uncomfortable -- deprived sexual acts like sodomy or oral that were performed to a lesser degree in the 18th century? Probably true.

 

[Raonak]

Literally everybody watches porn.

It's already normal. It's stupid to pretend it's not.

 

[YCoCg]

In general, I messaged a lot of women on AW over the past two decades. Some were porn stars. I always found their demeanor to be cold. You need only look at their Twitter posts to get the jist of their attitude.

Some charge ridiculous prices and they don't blog in a very friendly manner. Looks like a bucket list most of the time. Always comes across in a, "Me, me, me" kind of tone.

The other night, I told somebody my mum has major health issues. All she did was say, "Not the DM I was expecting." Anybody with common sense would say something semi-comforting like, "Sorry to hear that, honey." The next reply was all about her sucking skills, with a request to tip her.

What a slag.

Why are you messaging sex workers as if they are your therapist?

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

Women weren't even allowed to think of sex as a pleasurable activity, only as a means to an end to secure offspring and a necessary evil to satisfy the husband's urges -- with no real say in the process, and quite possibly trapped in a loveless marriage arranged out of economic necessity.

• the notion that women's pleasure was suddenly invented in a recent decade is just propaganda; there are passages that celebrate mutual pleasure in sex all the back into early biblical texts like Song of Solomon
• it's weird to argue that marriage was a burden due to economic necessity when that's precisely the necessity which leads women into porn; only, in the case of porn it's for nameless hordes of men who will use her content for a short time until she ages slightly, rather than one person who is at least nominally bound to care for her lifelong; really advanced society you have there, makes you think

 

[E-Cat]

• the notion that women's pleasure was suddenly invented in a recent decade is just propaganda; there are passages that celebrate mutual pleasure in sex all the back into early biblical texts like Song of Solomon
• it's weird to argue that marriage was a burden due to economic necessity when that's precisely the necessity which leads women into porn; only, in the case of porn it's for nameless hordes of men who will use her content for a short time until she ages slightly, rather than one person who is at least nominally bound to care for her lifelong; really advanced society you have there, makes you think

A lessened focus on pleasure and sexual fulfillment from marriage for women is a logical outcome of a society that values economic stability over personal happiness, and where the male is the sole/main breadwinner. Which isn't to say mutual pleasure didn't exist; but probably was much more rare. Also a total crapshoot, as sexual exploration before marriage wasn't allowed.

It's not like anyone is forcing women to do OF. Nor is it a foregone conclusion that all do it out of necessity. More disposable income is more disposable income, you can never have enough. That's capitalism for ya. Also, "hordes of men" getting their rocks off to her vs being in a committed long-term relationship (if that is your kink) aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[Beastclaw Raider]

The only thing that is weird is her videos and the people who are turned on about this shit

 

[nush]

It's not like anyone is forcing women to do OF. Nor is it a foregone conclusion that all do it out of necessity. More disposable income is more disposable income, you can never have enough. That's capitalism for ya. Also, "hordes of men" getting their rocks off to her vs being nominally bound to a long-term relationship (if that is your kink) aren't mutually exclusive.

Money and validation. What's not for some women to love with that combo.

 

[E-Cat]

Money and validation. What's not for some women to love with that combo.

They're earning a living providing supply for demand. I guess some are worried about all the attention inflating their ego, and later getting rejected by men when they're past their prime, but still carrying those unrealistic expectations? I personally don't worry about that, not my problem.

 

[nush]

later getting rejected by men when they're past their prime, but still carrying those unrealistic expectations?

So true, you know it's going to happen and when you actually know women that have reached that point fucking LOLs.

 

[Winter John]

I’m sure they would if it’s someone close to them who is ruining their life. I’m sure fathers and brothers of the women don’t like it. It’s not like porn actresses never have regrets or get pushed to cross more and more lines.

far as the bolded… yeah, and having all this access to it is not helping us or society. It doesn’t make you a better husband, or father. It takes away your time and motivation for other things.

Add in that young children get access to it too.

And for all that, are we even content? No. We demand more, all the time.

What about all the hot chicks who do porn and like it? What about the ones who used the money they made to help their fathers and brothers out? What if they don't have regrets and were never pushed to do anything they didn't want to do?

What if having all this access is helping society? What if it does make better husbands and fathers? How do you know it takes away time and motivation for other things? Is your experience the only experience?

What if parents took responsibility for what their children get access too? How about that for a fucking revolutionary thought? Try taking responsibility for your kids instead of expecting everyone else to do it for you.

Am I content? Yes. You might demand more, but that's your problem ain't it?

 

[TheInfamousKira]

I, too, have dealt with women, OP.

Write a strongly worded letter to the one you're actually angry at and leave the iWhor be.

 

[93xfan]

What about all the hot chicks who do porn and like it?

There’s your tell right there. If you were really looking at it from their perspective, you wouldn’t care if they were hot or not.

What about the ones who used the money they made to help their fathers and brothers out? What if they don't have regrets and were never pushed to do anything they didn't want to do?

Many have come out with horror stories about this very subject.

What if having all this access is helping society? What if it does make better husbands and fathers?

In what way?

How do you know it takes away time and motivation for other things?

Because you’re using time and motivation for it. You do know both are finite, correct?

Is your experience the only experience?

What if parents took responsibility for what their children get access too? How about that for a fucking revolutionary thought?

All it takes is one kid with a smart device to show all their friends at school or after school. There are obvious limits to what a parent can do.

Try taking responsibility for your kids instead of expecting everyone else to do it for you.

Parents pushing for making it harder to access adult content is part of taking responsibility. But yes, parents also need to do other things as well.

Am I content? Yes. You might demand more, but that's your problem ain't it?

So you just watch the same stuff over and over?


You seem to just want to justify and believe whatever is convenient for you

 

[Lasha]

Why are you looking at Kotaku as an old person? Its been shit before it went full SEO. I fail to see the controversy in the article but I do have a general question: If the actor is getting paid for their sex then why aren't they considered to have gone pro? Film actors make careers in indie films. What training/crucible does an adult film actor need to complete to be considered a pro?