Before I quit watching porn, aside from the time lost consuming, I never paid any money for it.
My tell? You actually think all I care about is whether a chick is hot or not is your gotcha? I got news for you pal. It ain't. I made it perfectly clear all I give a shit about is hot naked chicks. That ain't a "tell." It's an open statement.
What about "porn" that your gf/wife has made for you? It's not just a poor substitute for the real thing, it's a different category of sexuality altogether. I have even watched nudes of my gf while fucking her, it was kinda hilarious actually. And way better than regular porn because it's tailor-made for you, hence more personal.
You seemed to act like your were considering their good from their perspective. Was that not the case?
that’s a straw man.
As I stated, having easy access makes it so any one of your kids friends or friend of a friend could expose them to that at an extremely young age. That’s not opinion. Why don’t you tell me how a parent could protect against that?
Nah, don’t need to know what you look like
honestly that was just a joke, not an attack (so please don’t take offense). I believe we’re all hypocrites to an extent. Not sure where my blind spot is here.
Yeah I've never understood the way that most of the world treats prostitution because all it does is feed into criminal entities and cause a variety of health issues whereas if it was just legalized and then properly organized you would have a bustling industry. The template for the way it can be regulated is already in existence in the way that the porn industry operates. Most reputable studios require regular blood tests, contraception in some specific cases, background checks, etc etc. States could issue licenses and charge for them. On top of that you could have the renewal of these licenses be very short term and one of the requirements of the renewal could be blood tests for possible STDs. Penalties could be applied if they do test positive which would incentivize these people to actually be more safe in the way that they operate which would not only help them but would help pretty much everyone else is a whole as well. Because if there's anything that society could learn out of this entire ordeal is how to operate under a more safe approach to sex as a whole. Whereas right now it's basically just the wild west. No rules, no regulations, and you are just as likely to get hustled out of extra cash as you are getting an STD. And that's just the financial and health concerns. That's not getting into the realistic possibility that you could be arrested and depending on if the girl or guy was lying about their age you could possibly be labeled a sex offender in that case.
Exactly. And I'm going to be super clear to anyone else that reads my post above and thinks that I sound a little bit too Rosy I understand that these things becoming legal or not going to be a magic flip of the switch and we turn into some kind of safer more utopian society.
The same religious figures that are A-ok with fucking little childrens i bet...
Don't forget the rich and powerful that also benefit from widespread sex trafficking. Money in pockets will overpower principles and faith everytime.
You’re right, they can’t. And they’re not ”bad parents” for it, we just gotta accept reality. And while porn is certainly more accessible today than ever, it’s not like kids in the past didn’t stand a good chance of being exposed to it at a very young age, either.
Not so much money, just 'religious outrage' keeps a lot of that shit in check. If you legalise prostitution and marijuana, you have a lot of money coming to the government for tax.
Were you not attracted to girls in kindergarten and elementary school? It's quite natural for kids at that age to "play house" and explore, it has nothing to do with being exposed to porn. They're naturally curious. Often bi-curious, too. I remember I was, but am now 100% hetero.
It's a bit difficult to have an adult conversation with a reddit-fedora brain, but I've done worse so let's go...
Never fantasized about that at that age or anywhere near that age. Thought about holding hands with same-age classmates and putting my arm around them from about 2nd grade through maybe 5th grade.
I agree. But I also don't believe that human individuality or self-expression "mean anything", not in the broad sense of things. I still have goals and values, but am not a being of transcendent value. I do not pretend that the universe cares about any of this. I'm just a bit of anti-entropic froth bubbling about.
I agree, so fuck the natural world and instead shape the world according to your own values. Well, you may ask, how can my values be considered legitimate if not handed down by divine providence? Didn't I just stochastically happen upon some set of morals that have no basis in the natural world? Aside from tribal reciprocal altruism being a thing, yeah, pretty much? But why the fuck should I care? They're still legitimate to me, and I only answer to myself. See, I can be honest about the origin of my beliefs and not be a hypocrite.
You hit the nail on the head for why moral panic about free sexuality exists - which is that it's not because it's inherently bad to sleep around or be a camwhore, but only insofar as it potentially disrupts the fabric of society. So, over the generations we have collectively adopted this pearl-clutching thing while forgetting the actual function upon which it was predicated. But you're also forgetting one thing: since contraception and abortion were "invented", many of these concerns are now moot since children are out of the picture. Casual sex still tends to be looked down upon, with some justification, because we have not eradicated all of the downsides, like STDs. But it bears to keep in mind the origins of why you feel the way you feel about sex; and it isn't due to the act in and of itself being immoral. Sex = immoral is an outdated shorthand for low-IQ dummies pushed by church and state to keep society functioning.
Wow, I did not realize it was possible to be this asexual. Not judging though. But seriously, you are so innocent it kind of baffles the mind. I recall a couple of blonde sisters around my age from the neighborhood having a 'game' where they sniffed each other's bare asses. They must not have been over seven years old.
You are quite the authoritarian, aren't you - telling me how I should feel or "how things should be". Pray tell, what was the real-world "harm" resulting from all this?? I always treated girls with respect and as equal peers; never called them whores; never crossed any boundaries or made them feel uncomfortable. Literally all I was doing was fantasizing about sex - which is pleasurable act to imagine at any age, even if not acted upon until adulthood. And now that I really think about it, these fantasies preceded porn and were always innate in me. I recall "playing home" in daycare at age 4 or 5. I guess I was always a freak lol -- does that blow your mind? (cause I'm sure your wife isn't)
6 or 7 is way too young to be seeing porn. Don’t want my child seeing that. Don’t think children should have access to that. Did it trigger you that I don’t want easy access for that around kids?
You are arguing in bad faith. I never said I advocated kids getting access to porn (because, well, duhh). I said seeing porn as a kid wasn't harmful to me -- which you fail to demonstrate in any way how it was, other than to suggest the harm was in the mere act of fantasizing.
Who is the one equating “playing home” to watching porn the next year as a child?
I was demonstrating that it wasn't the porn that "corrupted" me or made me pervy, it was the other way around. Probably the reason why I would seek out that stuff. It was your God who made me this way, deal the fuck with it.
That's the difference between you and me -- you like to proclaim how things "ought to be", whereas I like to observe reality that often doesn't resemble your utopia.
Don't worry, it wasn't really your wife I was insulting. I don't know her personally. How about you stop with the patronizing faux empathy for what are honestly some of the most exhilarating memories of my childhood, you insufferable prude?
Who gives a fuck? None of my business, I guess congrats on the extra income?
Everyone has an excuse. Stealing feels good to me, so being a thief is a part of my identity that cannot be challenged or discouraged any way.
You don’t have to know her for it to be wrong.
It was real sympathy. While you may have liked it, I think you had it take over parts of your childhood that could’ve been thinking about what games to games with friends during recess or using your imagination for other things.
I'm honestly just more entertained by the fact that of all people on this page it's YOU that gets called a "Reddit Fedora brain".
This is by far the most religious reply in the thread--you simply believe as core value that sexual "freedom" as defined in this tiny slice of current era must be good, and have no interest in engaging in any of the arguments given or even understanding them.
No, not everyone is religious, if we're using the dictionary definition of the term "religious". If you're using your own definition of "religious" that reflects your personal truths, that is not useful for constructive discourse. Your strawman characterization of the other side is also quite narrow minded.
I think you need to go out and meet a greater variety of people in the world.
You are actually comparing seeing porn to stealing? lmao! Your moral compass is totally off. It does nothing to my identity, it's simply a thing that I have experienced that I feel good about. This is literally breaking your brain.
Stealing is bad because it makes the victims unhappy and reduces their well being, as well as violates their right to personal property.
"The good Lord would want it that way." - Garfunkel and Oates
And, for the record, out of the two of us you are the only one capable of being unwittingly insulting. When I insult someone, I am wantonly being an asshole. That's because I have self-awareness.
I don't think you understood that remark at all, unsurprisingly. And I spent many, many years in secular graduate school on my way to a phd in a major northeastern US city, during the years when I myself was nominally an atheist. But the distinction between nominal and functionally theist is beyond your pay grade based on your reading of my last reply.
An intelligent man knows his audience and explains so as to maximize understanding. He doesn’t refuse to clarify his position from the start and declare everyone else in the room too dimwitted to engage with.
