Zune was the superior music playerUnfortunately, this is so true.
Despite their unfathomable wealth, Microsoft has never made a product that I liked. There was/is ALWAYS a better alternative on the market.
We can go on and on.
- Windows phones? Android.
- Xbox? PlayStation.
- Windows? OSX.
- Surface? Macbooks.
- Teams? Zoom.
- Office? Google Suite (though Excel is more powerful)
- One Drive? Google Drive
- xCloud? PS Plus Streaming
- Mixer? Twitch.
Yeah, the baseline lag for PS5 games is way too high.PS5 has 88ms lag at 60fps in Cyberpunk? I LoLed.
It's not a literal Series X on a rack.What I'm puzzled by is how a Xbox Series X is meant to virtualize multiple Xbox Series S consoles? It doesn't have the CPU or Memory capacity to do that.
Reminds me about myself a few years ago when I still was a "never microsoft" kind of guy, and then Microsoft started to buy every company which products I used.Unfortunately, this is so true.
Despite their unfathomable wealth, Microsoft has never made a product that I liked. There was/is ALWAYS a better alternative on the market.
We can go on and on.
- Windows phones? Android.
- Xbox? PlayStation.
- Windows? OSX.
- Surface? Macbooks.
- Teams? Zoom.
- Office? Google Suite (though Excel is more powerful)
- One Drive? Google Drive
- xCloud? PS Plus Streaming
- Mixer? Twitch.
I know that, but it is the same SOC so the CPU limitations remain.It's not a literal Series X on a rack.
No, IIRC Microsoft back then said it was 4 OneS, not Series S.A single SX can virtualize 4 SS instances? impressive in itself but not good for comparisons like this, I suppose.
Cloud streaming makes sense when you can get access to way more powerful hardware than what you can buy for cheap, once they rolled out GSync VRR update and upgrade their server to 5080 next year I can imagine playing most of my games on it, especially during the summer.Yeah, the baseline lag for PS5 games is way too high.
Adding streaming lag on top that is insane.
Streaming only makes sense if you use high-end PC hardware as baseline.
In GeForce you get guaranteed RTX 4080 performance with all AI features. That card alone costs almost 3x as much as a PS5.
It's not the same SoC as a Series X either but I was referring to your comment about memory. There hasn't even been any confirmation that it virtualizes multiple Xbox Series S consoles on 1 SoC.I know that, but it is the same SOC so the CPU limitations remain.
Yes & I'm not sure why they haven't done this locally letting people stream to 4 devices that's a good selling point of the kids can stream to different devices at the same time.A single SX can virtualize 4 SS instances? impressive in itself but not good for comparisons like this, I suppose.
Artificial Intelligence will have dramatic impact on network technology.This means nothing to me. I hope game streaming never takes off. If it does, then I will quit gaming.
Thankfully I don't believe it will ever be the take off as the main way to play, let alone be the dominant.
There is no person who can convince me that we will ever be able to build datacenters with the processing power to run 100s of games at once for millions of users. Good luck trying to release the next Grand Theft Auto 7 as a cloud only option.
Cloud gaming should be an "in a pinch" gaming option.
PS5 cloud gaming runs PS5 versions of games while Xbox cloud gaming uses virtualized Series S hardware.
PS5 cloud input lag difference:
Xbox has lower input lag:
But way worse image quality
SIE bought recently a company that already achieves this. Reconstructs streamed videos via deep learning (similar to DLSS but in any hardware) in real time achieving better quality than the original, allowing do meaningfully decrease the bitrate but still getting qualityOn top of that, we will see AI-powered video compression that allows for much higher image quality with much lower bandwidth requirements.
Depends on the game if you stream like indie/360 era and below it's looks native. Current gen stuff looks like shit though.Laughing at people that doesn't see anything bad quality wise with xcloud, shit is all over the screen.
How people can play videogames like this is seriously mindblogging for me, like offensive towards the medium.
Yeah that's the biggest turn off for me right now for xcloud the queues. I usually play bc/indies and stuff that doesn't need low latency and it works and looks very well. Modern current gen stuff is a whole diff matter.The worst thing about xcloud is waiting in a queue to play and the wait can be a while too. Its easily the worst cloud service from all the big ones.
Did anyone ever bring this up? I remember when Nvidia were trumpeting their streaming by showing how it could beat local installs and it had God of War with some crazy high latency and I was wondering how no-one ever mentioned it.PS5 has 88ms lag at 60fps in Cyberpunk? I LoLed.
It is known for a while now that most console games has really shit latency, just nobody seems to care until cloud gaming came along and they need to talk shit about it not being viable because high latency.Did anyone ever bring this up? I remember when Nvidia were trumpeting their streaming by showing how it could beat local installs and it had God of War with some crazy high latency and I was wondering how no-one ever mentioned it.
I believe those Series X boards for xcloud have 40GB of RAM per board.Yes & I'm not sure why they haven't done this locally letting people stream to 4 devices that's a good selling point of the kids can stream to different devices at the same time.
Who the fuck prefers Google Suite and Google Drive over Office 365 and OneDrive? The products aren't even remotely comparable.Unfortunately, this is so true.
Despite their unfathomable wealth, Microsoft has never made a product that I liked. There was/is ALWAYS a better alternative on the market.
We can go on and on.
- Windows phones? Android.
- Xbox? PlayStation.
- Windows? OSX.
- Surface? Macbooks.
- Teams? Zoom.
- Office? Google Suite (though Excel is more powerful)
- One Drive? Google Drive
- xCloud? PS Plus Streaming
- Mixer? Twitch.
I never said they didn't, and you missed my point. For a service meant to be played on a TV, you want better image quality. You can sacrifice that for a mobile service, especially one where you may have to use cell service instead of wifi. So it comes down to the choices that these companies make.Both play perfectly on my phone.
Honestly, why do you use AI like some sort of fix-all solution.Artificial Intelligence will have dramatic impact on network technology.
AI will optimize networks dynamically, it will apply generative error correction in case of packet loss, and it will optimize resource allocation in datacenters. With AI, one-digit pings will become standard for most users.
On top of that, we will see AI-powered video compression that allows for much higher image quality with much lower bandwidth requirements.
Game streaming is also very cost-effective. And it gets rid of hackers.
Expect the transition phase to begin in 5 years. In 10 years, game streaming will be the dominant form of gaming.
I use both, but much prefer G Suite and Drive, both have much better user experience than Office 365 and OneDrive.Who the fuck prefers Google Suite and Google Drive over Office 365 and OneDrive? The products aren't even remotely comparable.
Zune was the superior music player
Who the fuck prefers Google Suite and Google Drive over Office 365 and OneDrive? The products aren't even remotely comparable.
The Morales of these stories is we're Miles away.
How do you explain the CPU usage? MS isn't telling us something.It makes sense the PS version is better as I guess each instance is an actual PS5 streaming the game. The xbox version is running 3 instances of the series s version on each peice if hardware. It's what the series x is 12 tf and the series s is 4 tf so they can run 3 instances of the xcloud on each server. Quite clever thinking on its own but it's not going to hold up in comparisons like these when running visually demanding games
I think geforce now even will bring full vrr supportThe funny part is that GeForce Now streaming already feels much more responsive than local console games on my PS5.
I get 12 ms ping from GeForce Now with wifi.
The image quality and the latency are horrendous.
Streaming is just a terrible idea.
Yeah, GeForce Now Ultimate is easily as good as a local XSX/PS5 console if you have a solid connection to a relatively close datacenter(<500mi I'd assume). I wouldn't be surprised at all if there was lower input latency via GeForce Now than even 60fps modes on consoles if you're running 120fps or 240fps with Reflex enabled. I can guarantee it has lower input latency than the 30fps modes. That's the power of a 4080 with all the Nvidia GPU and network tech behind it. At $200/year I wouldn't say it's lucrative console replacement, but if it was $100/year it would be.The funny part is that GeForce Now streaming already feels much more responsive than local console games on my PS5.
I get 12 ms ping from GeForce Now with wifi.
Next thing you are going to tell us is xbox is intentionally in 3rd place to get by the CMA and FTC.MS's commitment to evolve and improve XCloud had a turning point in the regulatory and judicial process of the ABK acquisition.
The service has been there for 2 years without any progress and is still in BETA status. It's as if the pressure to appear minor in the eyes of the CMA and FTC and the obligation to commit to opening the ABK catalog to all cloud gaming services has made them hit the brakes and draw up a new plan.
There is the promise of bringing the entire catalog to Xcloud and also including PC versions of games, but 2 years have passed and even today it is only still promised but there is no arrival date yet.
Contrary to many here, I do believe that we are going to see important advances in cloud gaming in a few years. Anyone who has played via GForceNow knows this.
In ~10 years the problem will not be the technology (I think that in general they will all launch similar services in quality), it will be more in the attractiveness of the catalog to offer, prices and having the service available in the greatest number of possible platforms (TV, PC, mobile phones, tablets, TV services,.....)
Honestly, why do you use AI like some sort of fix-all solution.
Everything you just outlined is already being done by most companies, its not AI. They call it "machine learning" platforms that optimize towards best performing scenarios.
"Machine Learning" is such an annoying buzzword that turned into "AI". As we see with Googles massive fuck ups, its all humans, the "AI" is not doing shit. It's just a program utilizing large data sets.