I've read the thread, and all the "OH NOES AMD LEAVING DESKTOP" crap came out of nowhere, and no one reading the article would jump to that conclusion.
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AMD Radeon 7000 series to be unveiled Dec 5 - first with 28nm again
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I've read the thread, and all the "OH NOES AMD LEAVING DESKTOP" crap came out of nowhere, and no one reading the article would jump to that conclusion.
Well the thread got a bit sideways after the article was posted for some weird non-logical reasons.
The news is that there is no 28nm process this year from AMD on any chip. Rebrands have been common for a while now.
Since they promised 28nm to investors, we might see some typical chip maker shenanigans where they "release" something that is sold out for months and months.
Regardless, none of this is particularly negative for former ATI, it just is not a positive. AMD's shit CPU performance is a much bigger problem, but AMD isn't going anywhere as it has been cash flow positive for quite a while.
Lactose_Intolerant
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Yes, 2 chips on the same card. Both companies do it now so I don't think its that far away where it becomes the norm. 3dfx tried it and had pretty good cards, to bad the rest of their business decisions killed them.
Unless you are using multiple monitors, you don't really need cutting edge video cards anyways now. There are hardly any games that really push graphics.
Aren't those chips already violating the spec of the PCI-E standard?
The Witcher, Crysis 2, BF3 are some off the top of my head.
it's one thing being able to play a game and another to run it with all the bells and whistles.
It isn't really insane, though.
AMD has recently announced that they are shifting focus from the desktop CPU market to the mobile market.
Is it so unthinkable that they might do the same in their GPU strategy?
Now, the fact that they chose to relaunch their mobile parts before the desktop parts is probably not a sign of that strategy, but when you look at the repeated issues they've had with TSMC and GloFo over the past few years trying to make these large die chips and missing target dates, I can understand why the desktop market is becoming a less attractive proposition.
I need 120FPS+ in every single competitive game I play. Anything less is unbearable. I'm not kidding either.
Just for the power that it draws, yeah. Not for the transfer rate.
When you say there is a giant purple elephant in the room, the burden of proof is on the person saying so.
Your argument is like a combination of the probability fallacy with onus probandi.
Occam's razor would say that since they're having trouble with good yields, and that they are a publicly traded company who needs to spin everything as positive, they filled the PR event with *something* to try and get people excited. That's just as speculative though.
From AMD's Q3 2011 financial report:
Facts are out there, we don't need to speculate really.
Lactose_Intolerant
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Exactly, I didn't say there weren't any, just hardly any. The original Crysis couldn't be played even on top of the line card with everything and get decent fps. You need these type of games to justify getting upgrades to your pc.
what an ass fuck, stupid rumours :x
Interesting that your choice of bolding included the sequential increase in desktop GPUs but left off the part that said that mobile GPUs were primarily responsible for the year-to-year increase.
Remind me, which one of those is more reflective of seasonal changes in purchasing habits and which is one is more reflective of long-term trends?
Sorry if you thought that was misleading, I figured you'd read the whole thing.
It still doesn't follow that since mobile GPU's were the primary factor in year to year trends that discrete were *not* a factor. Neither does it follow that just because mobile GPU's are becoming a profitable trend that they would completely move away from discrete GPUs.
The cutting edge technology that is unlocked with discrete GPU's is the very thing that allows mobile GPU's and APU's to be able to progress. That's the very reason why AMD bought ATI.
Thats a (confirmed) mistake but it's close to the real deal.
What about the pricing rumors from yesterday? They seemed pretty ridiculous but I guess that's them taking advantage of being first than Nvidia again.
You mean the rumors from Fudzilla? That guy has the worst track record, dont worry.
I never claimed they weren't.
I never said it would happen, I said it was not "insane" to look at it as a possibility.
For someone who enjoys quoting logical fallacies, you're awfully fond of the straw man.
You may wish to look at the history of PowerVR. They used to be a competitor in the discrete desktop graphics market. They decided to stop competing in that market and switched their R&D over to low-power graphics architectures. Today they are the market leader in that segment.
It does not seem to be necessary to have desktop R&D drive innovation in the mobile market. That makes sense as the constraints are markedly different.
That's true, but taken at face value, the statement then becomes near meaningless.
I haven't seen this before, that is pretty interesting. Thanks for the information.
I think their comparable places in the industry are fairly different though. PowerVR simply switched their niche focus from one area to another. AMD is much larger than that.
I guess since I run a 60hz screen and a 5770 I am ignorant on what I am missing out on, but I understand that once you take a step up it's hard to go back!
One could argue the whole electronic industry suffers on smaller processes (= higher efficiency) not arriving sooner (though MIPS and ARM devices are already highly optimized for efficiency and mostly used in cases where raw power is not as required so it's not as urgent there). By not sharing their own fab breakthroughs with others this is pretty much the defining competitive advantage Intel has over everyone else.
Games poll information based on frames rendered. The more frames that are rendered, the more your input is polled. Though it seems silly to say that it makes a difference when we're talking about fractions of a second, it really does. There's a map in Tribes: Ascend that is horribly unoptimized. I get about 65 FPS on average compared to maxing out the engine at 92 on everything else. I get probably 1/3 of the mid airs and the non-hitscan rifles are a lot harder to use. Anecdotal, but that's my experience.
Don't feel too bad. This is the first time AMD redesigned the core architecture.
BoobPhysics101
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Yeah, wtf. Everyone saying 'omg AMD abandoning desktop', stop being idiots. Where the hell did it say anything like that?
Chicken Little indeed...
specialguy
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Man Nvidias in trouble yet again if AMD is first by 6+ months as the rumors suggest.
It almost seems like Nvidia has given up on the desktop market and is more worried about mobile at this point, as I constantly hear about Tegra 3 more than any desktop GPU. Especially with rumors suggesting they wont have a high end part this time around which will give the high end market to AMD.
It almost seems like Nvidia has given up on the desktop market and is more worried about mobile at this point, as I constantly hear about Tegra 3 more than any desktop GPU. Especially with rumors suggesting they wont have a high end part this time around which will give the high end market to AMD.
The info is too sparse for me to fap to.
Cow Mengde
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Fixed.
I don't know about that. They let AMD run wild with the 5000 series and once the 400 series came out, the difference was almost negated overnight. Once those 460s started shipping and the 500s were on the horizon there became no point in buying an ATi card, again.
That's awesome news but just one piece of the puzzle. This will be tricky. Do I buy with amd or stick with tried and true nvidia.
OG_Original Gamer
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AMD continue to get console contracts, Nintendo, Microsoft, they may have even got Sony to jump on board.
We know it's going to like electricity, because the two PCI-E plugs guarantee it's 200+ watts.
dr_rus
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They're not.
What the hell are you talking about? NVIDIA had the best desktop line up since GTX 460 showed up. That's a year and a half now.
Tegra 3 was launched two weeks ago, not one really new desktop GPU was launched since fall last year. Could this be a reason?
AMD didn't have a "high end part" since HD 2900 if we're talking about single chip high end solution. But this rumour is wrong too. NV will have a single chip high end part closer to the end of 2nd quarter of 2012.
You know when Nvidia is launching their Kepler high end part? Can I has the crystal ball too?
Debatable.
High-end part means even the 590/6990 which AMD has been leading for some time now.
6990 is dual gpu. 580 is the best single gpu solution. Two 580s are the best dual gpu solution.
5870 > GTX460
I've owned both.
When DOES nVidia plan to roll out their new single chip high-end solution? I'm itching to upgrade again.
There's such a thing "best" when it comes to dual GPU? No thanks.
Two 580s are not one product like the 590. Also opinions are facts these days now.
nextgeneration
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Can't wait to see benchmarks. Hopefully, these deliver!
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wasnt the 5870 a hell of a lot more expensive at the 460s launch?
the 460 is the 5850s equivalent (which it was also cheaper than)
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