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[SolKane]

Is this the new PoliGaf thread or just for the debate?

I'm also a little confused about the rules behind this new topic. If megathreads are disallowed, does this topic need to be limited to only talk about the debate, or is it open to a miscellany of other items like the megathread?

 

[AlteredBeast]

Looks like it might have been this, which I found here. It was passed today and Giffords is the sponsor.





It's locked.

yeah... For now. Eventually one thread will be made in a more general way. We should do a monthly PoliGAF thread. That way, they will at most crawl to a few thousand posts and then they can be locked and we can move on to the next month.

 

[Fenderputty]

As someone who read the poligaf thread ... I liked it in one location and wondered why it wasn't sticked for years.

Meh ... whatever ...

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

Hey Toxic or anyone for that matter here. In the SOTU thread, you (or was it that Kev dude) said tax rates have no effect on revenue when you were showing that graph.

I'm curious if this is the case. If it's true, and more have to do with a booming economy, lower unemployment rate, and more people paying taxes no matter what the federal income tax rate is.

EDIT-This is good:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...pence-says-raising-taxes-lowers-tax-revenues/

We also consulted a 2006 Treasury Department report that examined the revenue effects of major tax law changes since World War II. The report examined tax revenues generated by various tax law changes as a percentage of the Gross Domestic Product, a measurement that accounts for economic growth and inflation. The laws that reduced tax rates produced declines in revenues, and the laws that increased tax rates produced increases in tax revenues. So this too contradicts Pence's claim.[/QUOTE]

But there's this:

But we consulted the tax experts, who told us you can't just look at the raw numbers, for several reasons. First, you should expect tax revenues to go up each year due to economic growth and inflation, even if tax rates stayed the same

So really, it IS common sense for revenue to go if you raise taxes, but there are other variables that you need to take into consideration, like the economy.

 

[RustyNails]

I'm convinced that the Las Vegas family that's funding Newt's campaign are a bunch of democratic trolls. I don't think even Obama would've gone after Romney this savagely.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns...neys-world-of-swiss-bank-accounts-112234.html



Newt's such an awesome troll.

He really is.

 

[ChoklitReign]

If we're going to categorize PoliGAF topic from now on, at least put the year in the title, like PoliGAF 2012: Subject. It would actually make searching easy.

 

[Invisible_Insane]

If we're going to categorize PoliGAF topic from now on, at least put the year in the title, like PoliGAF 2012: Subject. It would actually make searching easy.

Pretty sure that wasn't the issue.

 

[Big Baybee]

A monthly thread seems like a better idea.

 

[Jackson50]

I don't see how anyone other than Newt can say that Newt is not a Washington insider with a straight face. Buzzwords like "Washington insider" have always bugged me, since they're simplistic labels that detract from real discourse.

Obviously, Newt is an insider. As a former Speaker, he has an intimate knowledge of the legislative process and fostered innumerable relationships with lobbyists, interest groups, legislative staff, etc. Nevertheless, he's loathed by most in his party. They are aghast at the prospect of Newt's nomination. He's a paradox, really. An insider loathed by the establishment.

What we've seen in 20 individual House district polls reinforces national numbers- Dems have a real chance at regaining majority.​

--PPP Tweet

I'm bookmarking this thread for PoliGAF for now. I'm a little confused about where we go after tonight, though.

Again, polls are typically useless this far from Election Day. Still, as I noted last week, there is reason for qualified optimism; if the upward trajectory of the economy continues, Democrats could flip the House.

This. Seems there should just be the mega-thread until the general election, then one breakout thread per Presidential debate.

Wow. A post from Kosmo that's not immediately disagreeable.

 

[planar1280]

latino voters in florida

Among Hispanic Floridians planning to vote in next Tuesday’s GOP primary, Mitt Romney holds a 15 point advantage over Newt Gingrich (35 – 20), with Ron Paul and Rick Santorum polling at 6% and 7% respectively and 21% undecided;

In a head-to-head match-up, President Obama continues to hold a strong advantage over his most likely GOP rivals: 67 – 25 over Romney; 70 – 22 over Gingrich

http://corporate.univision.com/2012...ease-new-survey-of-u-s-and-florida-hispanics/

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

latino voters in florida





http://corporate.univision.com/2012...ease-new-survey-of-u-s-and-florida-hispanics/

Are these likely voters? Hmm. I still stand by my comment yesterday about what matters most to Floridians.

 

[ToxicAdam]

Hey Toxic or anyone for that matter here. In the SOTU thread, you (or was it that Kev dude) said tax rates have no effect on revenue when you were showing that graph.

I didn't say tax rates have no effect on revenue, I implied that, historically, tax receipts have been pretty consistent regardless of what the top marginal rate was. The share that income tax represents has also been static, while all the other streams have fluxuated a lot more.

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I think the ideal place for rates were where Clinton had them (for all brackets). The real big change from now and 60's is that we are allowing to many subsidies/loopholes for corporations and we have capital gains taxes too low. When the boom times (bubbles) happen (like they did in the late 90's), we are cheating ourselves out of billions of dollars in revenue. Revenue that could be used to help offset the pain of the eventual popping.

 

[A27_StarWolf]

could we make a poligaf thread in the.community section?

 

[AlteredBeast]

Soooo... is that cool that we make a monthly super thread? We can even narrow the focus to say something like:


PoliGAF Feb 2012: GOP Caucus and Primary Month

If so, I can make a really nice OP for it. I have some ideas.

 

[hydragonwarrior]

could we make a poligaf thread in the.community section?

Does anyone actually *go* into the community section? lol

 

[empty vessel]

Hey Toxic or anyone for that matter here. In the SOTU thread, you (or was it that Kev dude) said tax rates have no effect on revenue when you were showing that graph.

...

So really, it IS common sense for revenue to go if you raise taxes, but there are other variables that you need to take into consideration, like the economy.

Whoever said that revenues do not increase with tax rate increases doesn't know what he/she is talking about. That said, a government that has its own fiat money doesn't require revenue to fund its operations.

 

[Mike M]

I find it amusing that Romney's campaign was at it's best was when he practically wasn't campaigning much at all. It was a good idea to keep his mouth shut and his head down and let the NotRomneys duke it out. At the time it seemed the mark of some cunning campaign, but now I wonder if they were just aware that the more he talks, the more people dislike him

 

[DasRaven]

Soooo... is that cool that we make a monthly super thread? We can even narrow the focus to say something like:


PoliGAF Feb 2012: GOP Caucus and Primary Month

If so, I can make a really nice OP for it. I have some ideas.

I like this idea. Monthly is granular enough to avoid megathreads, but available for broad discussion. Hell, weekly threads would probably be feasible now.

 

[Kusagari]

I find it amusing that Romney's campaign was at it's best was when he practically wasn't campaigning much at all. It was a good idea to keep his mouth shut and his head down and let the NotRomneys duke it out. At the time it seemed the mark of some cunning campaign, but now I wonder if they were just aware that the more he talks, the more people dislike him

There's a reason he was practically doing nothing when Bachmann, Perry and Cain were sucking up all the spotlight. Romney isn't good when the focus is on him, but he doesn't really have much of a choice right now.

 

[Invisible_Insane]

I like this idea. Monthly is granular enough to avoid megathreads, but available for broad discussion. Hell, weekly threads would probably be feasible now.

After Florida, nothing really happens for a month, and then there's another two weeks between that and super Tuesday. The fever pitch of primary activity is about to die down. It's going to be all payroll tax cut nonsense for the next month.

 

[AlteredBeast]

After Florida, nothing really happens for a month, and then there's another two weeks between that and super Tuesday. The fever pitch of primary activity is about to die down. It's going to be all payroll tax cut nonsense for the next month.

So be it, then:

PoliGAF Feb 2012: Primaries, Payroll Tax Cuts, and Petty Insults

 

[Plinko]

Anybody talking about Pelosi's claim about inside info on Newt that would ruin his presidency? What could be worse than the open marriage thing?

 

[Byakuya769]

Anybody talking about Pelosi's claim about inside info on Newt that would ruin his presidency? What could be worse than the open marriage thing?

Why is she saying that now? Does she want Romney to win?

 

[Mike M]

Why is she saying that now? Does she want Romney to win?

Now? She said it a while back after Gingrich's initial surge, hasn't repeated it since.

 

[Jackson50]

latino voters in florida





http://corporate.univision.com/2012...ease-new-survey-of-u-s-and-florida-hispanics/

A few of the other polls I read confirmed Romney was performing well with Latino voters. The margins were not as large. Nevertheless, he was beating Gingrich. Now, I am loath to conform the data to a narrative. But this may be preliminary evidence that Romney's substantial advantage in party support is helping him. He has already received the endorsements of prominent, popular Latino GOP officials in Florida. And although Rubio committed to not making an endorsement, he has been defending Romney from Gingrich's assault.

After Florida, nothing really happens for a month, and then there's another two weeks between that and super Tuesday. The fever pitch of primary activity is about to die down. It's going to be all payroll tax cut nonsense for the next month.

Honestly, I cannot wait for the fever pitch to subside. It detracts my attention from my typically illuminating expositions on American foreign policy.

 

[Miletius]

Why is she saying that now? Does she want Romney to win?

She said it a while ago, I think, on the Daily Show. I think it was December, so during the first Newt surge. I doubt she has anything we haven't already heard before, tbh, maybe she has a little more detail or context but I doubt it's as damning as she made it sound.

 

[Byakuya769]

Now? She said it a while back after Gingrich's initial surge, hasn't repeated it since.

Same question applies.

 

[DasRaven]

Why is she saying that now? Does she want Romney to win?

That's not the way it works, though. Probably more a reverse psychology attempt.
A "conservative" hears that the demon Pelosi suggests that Gingrich cannot win and they turn out for him in FL and he wins. "I'll put witch Pelosi in her place, Gingrich 2012!"

 

[RustyNails]

Romney was a "Distinguished Panelist" at Fannie Mae conference

This will get some play tomorrow I'm sure.

 

[The Librarian]

Why is she saying that now? Does she want Romney to win?

Obviously not. She will have a better chance of becoming Speaker if Newt's the nominee. Indeed, she's actually helping Newt Gingrich by demonizing him with this supposed secret. Romney fell for the bait, and so by making an issue out of this, it eliminates the whole "Newt sat on a sofa with Pelosi!" thing.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/...mney-falls-into Nancy Pelosis trap?via=blog_1

 

[Pie Lord]

I'm honestly starting to like Newt. I highly doubt that I would even consider voting for him, but the man has turned being a condescending ass hole into an art form, watching him in this campaign has been absolutely amazing.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Wow

From the rescue thread


@markknoller: WH posted photo of Pres Obama phoning Jessica Buchana's father John last night to inform him of her rescue.

 

[Byakuya769]

You guys have to believe that conservatives are mildly retarded, if you think Pelosi saying, "I can sink his candidacy!" is a rallying point for Newt.

 

[maximum360]

Poligaf threads need to be stickied.

.

 

[gcubed]

You guys have to believe that conservatives are mildly retarded, if you think Pelosi saying, "I can sink his candidacy!" is a rallying point for Newt.

not slightly retarded, you just underestimate the vile hatred conservatives have for her

 

[Pie Lord]

Wow

From the rescue thread


@markknoller: WH posted photo of Pres Obama phoning Jessica Buchana's father John last night to inform him of her rescue.

Wow, this picture just made me realize I can't remember the last time I've seen a land line.

Oh, and I guess Obama phoning that women's father is kinda cool too.

 

[RustyNails]

You guys have to believe that conservatives are mildly retarded, if you think Pelosi saying, "I can sink his candidacy!" is a rallying point for Newt.

Pelosi's game is called "the long troll". She knows what she's doing.

 

[Plinko]

Now? She said it a while back after Gingrich's initial surge, hasn't repeated it since.

Not true.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...ngrich_presidency_that_will_never_happen.html

John King, CNN: "You make your case there passionately for President Obama. But also understand that this is a tough reelection climate for any president, Democrat or Republican in this economy. Because of your history with Speaker Gingrich, what goes through your mind when you think of the possibility, which is more real today than it was a week or a month ago, that he would be the Republican nominee and that you could come back here next January or next February with a President Gingrich?"

Rep. Nancy Pelosi: "Let me just say this. That will never happen."

King: "Why?"

Pelosi: "He's not going to be President of the United States. That's not going to happen. Let me just make my prediction and stand by it, it isn't going to happen."

King: "Why are you so sure?"

Pelosi: "There is something I know. The Republicans, if they choose to nominate him that's their prerogative. I don't even think that's going to happen."

 

[thekad]

.

2012-2015 will probably be pretty boring.

 

[Pie Lord]

2012-2015 will probably be pretty boring.

Nah, the 2014 elections should be fairly interesting. And should a Republican take the White House, I suspect 2013 should be interesting as well.

 

[ToxicAdam]

Pelosi's game is called "the long troll". She knows what she's doing.

More like 'the long attention whoring'. It must drive her crazy to be out of the spotlight and have a former (discredited) Speaker getting all this pub.

Nah, the 2014 elections should be fairly interesting. And should a Republican take the White House, I suspect 2013 should be interesting as well.

If Obama wins and the Republicans stay in the House, it's going to be very boring. Unless you are someone that gets excited by all the fake 'government shutdowns' that will be inevitable with every major spending bill that comes up.

 

[Plinko]

More like 'the long attention whoring'. It must drive her crazy to be out of the spotlight and have a former (discredited) Speaker getting all this pub.

I've thought about this, but it makes no sense. The democrats WANT Gingrich to be the nominee. They wouldn't be saying this if they didn't have something.

Wasn't Pelosi on the committee that investigated Newt?

 

[Pie Lord]

I've thought about this, but it makes no sense. The democrats WANT Gingrich to be the nominee. They wouldn't be saying this if they didn't have something.

Wasn't Pelosi on the committee that investigated Newt?

Could be they don't have anything, they just may be poking Newt in the eye to see how he reacts. On the other hand, it is Newt, there isn't much the Democrats could say that would surprise me.

 

[Plinko]

http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/01/gingrich-im-no-infidelity-hypocrite/

MIAMI - GOP presidential hopeful Newt Gingrich came out swinging this morning when accused of being a hypocrite for blasting then President Bill Clinton for having an affair at the same time the former House Speaker was cheating on his own wife.

During a wide-ranging interview with Spanish-language television Univision, the twice-divorced Gingrich said he wasn’t criticizing Clinton’s sexual dalliance with White House intern Monica Lewinsky. He said he was criticising Clinton’s response to it.

Clinton lied under oath, Gringrich said. “I have never lied under oath. I have never committed perjury. I have never committed a felony,” he said. Clinton’s lapse was more serious because the former president is a lawyer and should have known better. Gingrich is a historian.

Further, he said, he has no regrets about lacing into CNN newscaster John King for beginning a debate last week in South Carolina by asking about his ex-wife’s claims that he asked her to embrace an “open marriage” when he was having an affair with his now wife, Callista.

With all the problems facing the country, the question about his personal life was simply inappropriate, he said. His ex-wife’s claims were false, he said.

As to his attack on the media in response to the question, he noted: The audience loved it.

Oh, come on, Newt.

 

[Invisible_Insane]

Honestly, I cannot wait for the fever pitch to subside. It detracts my attention from my typically illuminating expositions on American foreign policy.

How does one illuminate a black hole?

So be it, then:

PoliGAF Feb 2012: Primaries, Payroll Tax Cuts, and Petty Insults

Redundant?

 

[Pie Lord]

http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/01/gingrich-im-no-infidelity-hypocrite/



Oh, come on, Newt.

See, this is the kind of nonsense that make Newt absolutely fantastic to observe.

 

[Kusagari]

http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/01/gingrich-im-no-infidelity-hypocrite/



Oh, come on, Newt.

Clinton lied under oath, Gringrich said. “I have never lied under oath. I have never committed perjury. I have never committed a felony,” he said. Clinton’s lapse was more serious because the former president is a lawyer and should have known better. Gingrich is a historian.


This is my favorite part. Seriously Newt? Seriously?

 

[Pie Lord]

Clinton lied under oath, Gringrich said. “I have never lied under oath. I have never committed perjury. I have never committed a felony,” he said. Clinton’s lapse was more serious because the former president is a lawyer and should have known better. Gingrich is a historian.


This is my favorite part. Seriously Newt? Seriously?

Well from a technical perspective, Newt is correct about Clinton. As for Newt never such things himself? That's another story entirely.

 

[Kusagari]

Well from a technical perspective, Newt is correct about Clinton. As for Newt never such things himself? That's another story entirely.

I was more specifically focusing on the point that Newt isn't as liable because he's a 'historian', while Clinton should have known better.