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2X is not dramatic. Dramatic would be 8-10x 360.
Are you trying to tell us, that you expect the next Generation (for Microsoft and Sony) to be an 8-10x leap...really?
2X is not dramatic. Dramatic would be 8-10x 360.
Really. SMH.
So if that's the case. What's all the rubbish in this thread where folks have said it's going to be 2 x PS360 etc...
Miyamoto's comments are entirely consistant with what Arkam had said relative to him having access to older dev kit.
I think the picture is getting pretty clear here. We are talking about a console that's going to be 1 - 1.3 x PS360 with more memory. Hopefully the GPU will have some tricks up it's sleeve like free AA, good quality upscaler etc..
Are you trying to tell us, that you expect the next Generation (for Microsoft and Sony) to be an 8-10x leap...really?
Are you trying to tell us, that you expect the next Generation (for Microsoft and Sony) to be an 8-10x leap...really?
It's totally unreal. Some folks need to take a few reality pills.
So if that's the case. What's all the rubbish in this thread where folks have said it's going to be 2 x PS360 etc...
Miyamoto's comments are entirely consistant with what Arkam had said relative to him having access to older dev kit.
I think the picture is getting pretty clear here. We are talking about a console that's going to be 1 - 1.3 x PS360 with more memory. Hopefully the GPU will have some tricks up it's sleeve like free AA, good quality upscaler etc..
Really?, "Not dramatically more powerful" and "less powerful" is entirely consistent?
Miyamoto is talking about final hardware spec isn't going to be dramatically more powerful then PS360. Arkam is talking about older dev kit not being quite up to speed with current hardware. How hard is this for you to understand.
Why do you think he's telling you that? He said nothing about any next generation console being a 8-10x leap did he?
That's why, I asked. I didn't straight up say he was. There's a difference.2X is not dramatic. Dramatic would be 8-10x 360.
I think that we could see a Smash announcement at E3 2013 - right now it's too soon. Heck, maybe we will see it at E3 2014 for the first time. I mean you don't need to be a developer to see that Smash games are huge and time-consuming projects.
And Iwata announced a Wii U AND a 3DS version which is madness in my opinion.
Is the carpet velvet?
You do have a point, there really isn't any other spot appropriate to announce more details on the Wii U, besides GDC and E3. But we shall see what goes down tomorrow at 6am (EST)
no. Im making no claims of power. Im saying dramatic means a noticeable gap. You're not going to notice graphics and such being too much better at 2x other than some slightly higher res textures and better framerate.Are you trying to tell us, that you expect the next Generation (for Microsoft and Sony) to be an 8-10x leap...really?
here, let me re-quote this for you
That's why, I asked. I didn't straight up say he was. There's a difference.
You're probably right, Sakurai is a workaholic and released the first trailer to Smash Bros Brawl just 7 months into development, starting from October 2005 to May 2006. However, Smash Bros 4 is scheduled for 2 platforms so they'll be working on it simultaneously so the wait will be longer and the team size will likely exceed 100 staff members. Brawl took around 17-18 months to develop by the way.
How can you rationalize the "have to scale down 360 games" comment? The possibility about the system kit using DDR3 and whatever game he's working/knows-about isn't optimized to use the "large pool for of EDRAM" is among the few i can see that make sense.
What are your current thoughts regarding RAM? Will they stick with GDDR3? The 256bit bus in those stock cards seems unlikely, which in the past, we have taken to indicate that GDDR5 on a 128bit or 96bit bus was a possibility. Btw, according to Wiki, the 4830 also has a 256bit bus. However, I am thinking now that they may have used the wider bus to ballpark the effect the eDRAM would have in the final kits.
Also, since the RAM was described as slow (though I'm with you in that it was likely dowclocked for the dev kits along w/ the GPU core itself), and we talked about synching clocks a few pages back, just for the hell of it, lemme pull some clocks out of my ass and take another stab at the specs.
CPU: 3.6Ghz Tri Core PPC (OoOE, 2-way SMT, 3 MB L2 cache)
GPU: 600 Mhz (640:32:16 core config. They may have been aiming for 800 SPUs, but I think that would run too hot even at 32 nm)
Memory: 1.5 GB of 900Mhz(x2, so 1800) GDDR3 on a (96 or 196?) bit bus.
eDRAM: 32 Megabytes on a daughter die of the GPU.
And before I get jumped on, I know they're only specs and don't matter as much as other things (software and services), but it's been fun in these threads. It's like unraveling a mystery. Thanks Nintendo. You've given us a new game to play by doing absolutely nothing.
@bgassassin: I've also been pondering why Nintendo would not have put a 4770 in the dev kits. It runs cooler at 40nm and could surely be downclocked to what Nintendo are targeting. The bandwidth is also similar to the 4830, although the 4770 used 128 bit GDDR5. However, have you noticed that the 4770 only supports 512 MB of RAM? I don't know how easy these things are to mod, but could that be a major factor as to why Nintendo/AMD felt an RV770 was a better fit?
Great post...even though I didn't understand a lot of it. XD
But I would like to say, in regards to the direction this thread has taken in the last few pages, that I don't think it's wrong to talk about the less-than-savory bits of rumor and speculation we get on Wii U. It seems that, sometimes, we have no problem spending pages upon pages fapping to the good news/rumors we get about Wii U; but whenever we get wind of something less-than-awesome we're expected to just shut up, stop getting "emotional", and ignore it...when in reality it's just as valid speculation as anything else. I mean, this is the Wii U Speculation thread, not the "Wii U Fan |OT| of don't post if you're not kissing Nintendo's boots".
I think the possible outcomes of Nintendo releasing a console that isn't more powerful than PS360 is a valid point of discussion, especially now that we have someone who's been vetted by mods claiming that might be the case in some respects.
The problem as I see it occurs when people allow their emotional attachments to take hold, and things start getting borderline disrespectful.
--Flaming Arkam should never have happened.
--People getting upset and calling other posters graphics whores because they express concern over Wii U being underpowered should probably not have happened, either.
Lets just sit back, enjoy the thread, and speculate over the news/rumors as we get them...good or bad.
As for me, I respect Arkam sharing with us. For better or worse, he did give us something fresh to talk about...
EDIT: I hope this doesn't come off as me backseat-modding. Really not my intention...
So if that's the case. What's all the rubbish in this thread where folks have said it's going to be 2 x PS360 etc...
How did you afford such a wonderful carpet? I want.Yup, you bet. It's lined with platinum, too.
And yeah, it makes sense for them to spill some beans at GDC considering the importance of the event. I honestly doubt we're getting anything tomorrow - but maybe some nice 3DS details? Any official Nintendo news is exciting news.
Well I see where you're coming from..so, my badYou hardly asked a normal question though did you, it was heavily insinuated that he was making that claim. I mean its not as if you'd walk up to someone on the street and say "Are you seriously trying to tell me its 2PM, really?.."
This thread is so crazy I'm starting to argue with people about question asking, right I'm out of here
Epic recent comments on the Samaritan demo has only solidified that kind of talk.Since I'm not a fan of "x times more powerful" I'll look at it simply like this.
Epic recent comments on the Samaritan demo has only solidified that kind of talk.
How did you afford such a wonderful carpet? I want.
If we don't get details about the Wii U at GDC I'll be shocked and appalled to say the least.
Yep, in fact, I'll ban bet I'm that confident there'll be info: Wii U details and some kind of game announcement.
Yep, in fact, I'll ban bet I'm that confident there'll be info: Wii U details and some kind of game announcement.
Yep, in fact, I'll ban bet I'm that confident there'll be info: Wii U details and some kind of game announcement.
Yep, in fact, I'll ban bet I'm that confident there'll be info: Wii U details and some kind of game announcement.
Yep, in fact, I'll ban bet I'm that confident there'll be info: Wii U details and some kind of game announcement.
Yep, in fact, I'll ban bet I'm that confident there'll be info: Wii U details and some kind of game announcement.
Not a perma ban bet, nononononono.
And just to clarify, if Reggie says "We're making a 3D Mario game for Wii U" or similar, it still counts.
Yep, in fact, I'll ban bet I'm that confident there'll be info: Wii U details and some kind of game announcement.
Why did you do this Ubermatik?
if Reggie says "We're making a 3D Mario game for Wii U" or similar, it still counts.
Let me repeat myself:
There is no Iwata keynote at GDC. There is no known Nintendo press event at GDC. There is no reason to think that any substantive Wii U news will emerge from GDC, other than wishful thinking.
Yeah. And anyway, if there's a worse way to compare systems than with integer multipliers, it's with imprecise adjectives. How many pages could this thread squeeze from someone referring to the Wii U's capabilities as "peachy"?Huh? 2x-5x is not what I would call dramatic.
Yep, in fact, I'll ban bet I'm that confident there'll be info: Wii U details and some kind of game announcement.
and like I said, people say this EVERY time, guyss guysss it's just a investors meeting FOR INVESTORSSS, nothing is gonna be said. Then we get thursdayton. It's GDC. It's a gaming focused media event, and a huge one at that. You don't need to be present to drop some news. Just like E3, not all companies have pressers but they still announce things.Let me repeat myself:
There is no Iwata keynote at GDC. There is no known Nintendo press event at GDC. There is no reason right now to think that any substantive Wii U news will emerge from GDC, other than wishful thinking.
and like I said, people say this EVERY time, guyss guysss it's just a investors meeting FOR INVESTORSSS, nothing is gonna be said. Then we get thursdayton. It's GDC. It's a gaming focused media event, and a huge one at that. You don't need to be present to drop some news. Just like E3, not all companies have pressers but they still announce things.
I hope he doesn't. That could make the WiiU irresistible to me. 3D Mario with Xbox360 quality graphics on my projector. Lush.
Wait - why are we back to talking about GDC? It seems like there's a chance we might get some good info from Reggie tomorrow. Shouldn't that be what we're excited about?
Like I've speculated before: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35066014&postcount=6705Their booth is next to Crytek and AMD for a reason guys!
Their booth is next to Crytek and AMD for a reason guys!