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I heard its framerate has been downgraded to 30fps, Is is it true?
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yankeehater
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Yeah the online videos for this game do not do it justice at all. I was blown away the first time I loaded it up. I wish Team Ninja would go back and do another Master Ninja tournament on the Vita to help get people interested in this game.
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AgentOtaku
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30fps
I really hope this isn't a dealbreaker for some people
Wipeout 2048 threads made me hate GAF sometimes
>=(
Peace Walker and Ghost of Sparts are the better two but I really enjoyed all 4 of them.
BattleMonkey
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Peace Walker is better in every way. I didn't hate PO like many others did, with improved controls it could be decent if you can map the camera controls to the 2nd analog though. But if you played PW already, going to PO after is going to feel like a big step back. If you can, play PO first. Many will say to skip it though.
Infinite_Daremo
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Anyone got Ad Hoc party working with Vita? I wanna know if i can play MHFU with PSP peoples.
Framerate is immensely important in a racing game, you can't expect people to gloss over a 30fps racer as though it wasn't an issue. Especially when that racer is WipEout.
test_account
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I have played Wipeout 2048 for a while now and i can honestly say that the 30fps stuff doesnt bother me at all. To me the game feels very smooth 99% of the time.
Does Ghost of Sparta works on Vita? I checked my download list at launch, but then there was no "download" icon for Ghost of Sparta
DenogginizerOS
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I played both Wipeout 2048 and NGSP this weekend and was so immensely entertained I never once thought about both games being 30FPS. The gameplay and visual ecstasy of the OLED must be blinding me.
But if you want proof that these games aren't hurt by 30FPS, look at Dark10x comments: he likes both games a lot.
But if you want proof that these games aren't hurt by 30FPS, look at Dark10x comments: he likes both games a lot.
I have seen this mentioned a lot of times and I sure believe there's something to it.
But can somebody explain, what the major difference is between 30fps and 60fps for something like WipEout - is it only how smooth it is?
Because I don't notice anything at all. To me it's already super smooth and fast at 30fps.
.hacked
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I may not be the best guy to give impressions because I thought the original Xbox release was so difficult I fount it unplayable. This is my first go at the Sigma games with the Ninja Dog easy mode (die a few times, and abandon the way of the ninja and then you are in easy mode) and I am loving the game. You can still die fairly easy but it is not frustrating like it was before.
Please do you know where I can order it from? In the US that is, and no GameStop is not feasible for me as it won't let me order with an international card even though the delivery address is in the US. It's not available on Amazon. Pleaseee help, I really need this game.
So I'm guessing the sub-hd/sub-native res games at launch are just rushed or whatever? The system itself has no problem running this stuff right?
I'm not a good person to explain this, as I 'feel' it more than I 'understand' it. Basically though, I just feel like I'm more in control with a 60FPS racer. Everything 'flows' better and the controls feel slicker, quicker and more responsive. It's almost like the difference between an analogue stick and a d-pad. It's not just that it looks a damned sight better, it 'feels' better. I'm sure there are some technical terms explaining how the differing levels of visual feedback translate in your brain, but I don't know any of them.
If you have a decent PC, boot up a racer at 60FPS and then lock it to 30FPS and race again. You'll know the difference. It's probably the same for FPS but I don't play them enough to comment.
test_account
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Super Stardust Delta is one of my killer apps for Vita. I've played it for nearly 7 hours already.
AgentOtaku
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I don't have a PC that will runs games, nor do I have any.
Maybe I could try booting up WipEout HD on PS3 which is 60fps and then play WipEout 2048 on Vita at the same time. Dunno.
Anyway, I think you gave a nice explanation which I understand.
DenogginizerOS
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I have played boring 60FPS racing games and immensely entertaining 30FPS racing games. 2048 is the latter. That is all that matters.
How would you like me to 'explain' them?
That might not be a bad idea, do a couple of quick races on WOHD and then run the same tracks on 2048. You'll probably find that it doesn't matter to you. I think most people are happy with 'solid' framerates, whether 30 or 60. It's only racing games where it really matters to me. Having said that, I'll still be buying WipEout (although I'm skipping Ridge Racer on account of the shitty framerate).I don't have a PC that will runs games, nor do I have any.
Maybe I could try booting up WipEout HD on PS3 which is 60fps and then play WipEout 2048 on Vita at the same time. Dunno.
Anyway, I think you gave a nice explanation which I understand.
The majority of launch games are native res. So it isn't like vita can't do it. I think games were rushed. Uncharted would be one of the better looking games ever in the later stages if they ironed out the framerate and res.
Metalmurphy
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Or all the previous Wipeouts before HD.
centracore
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Same here, Super Stardust HD is still one of my most played games on PS3 and I think Super Stardust Delta will have the same privilege on Vita. Can't say enough good things about this game. (Also want to be PSN friends?)
crazygambit
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Well yeah, the headaches have been from day one. I realized playing on a dark room at night was the worst, so now I play with the lights on. But still I got a headache, much less severe though.
I do have astigmatism and prescription glasses I never wear (and have probably lost by now), for exactly this purpose. However I do sit in front of a computer screen all day without much trouble and can play games on iPad and iPhone for long periods of time with no problems as well.
It's probably got to do with the really long play sessions, but still I find it a bit weird I hadn't experienced that before.
Wait, have I really brought up a controversial point by suggesting that 60 FPS is superior for racing games?
Which GAF am I on again?!
(Motorstorm RC also runs at 30 but doesn't matter so much being a top-down arcade game).
LamerDeluxe
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Am I correct in thinking the WiFi only Vita doesn't have a compass? Near seems to have no sense of direction and on its homescreen the compass is greyed out.
BTW: Of my ten free PSPGo games, WipEout Pure and GTA Vice City Stories both work on the Vita as well, pretty cool.
Handy tip: To adjust the brightness of the screen quickly, keep the Playstation button pressed and a menu will pop up.
BTW: Of my ten free PSPGo games, WipEout Pure and GTA Vice City Stories both work on the Vita as well, pretty cool.
Handy tip: To adjust the brightness of the screen quickly, keep the Playstation button pressed and a menu will pop up.
The_Darkest_Red
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I think the problem is that you're arguing that 60 fps is superior to 30 fps (which is basically fact) and everyone responding to you is arguing that 30 fps generally works fine for racing games. Both points are true.
Personally I'm enjoying WipEout 2048 quite a bit and I can't say that I notice it being 30 fps but I'm sure I would see the difference if I played the same game running at 60 fps. It makes everything look and feel much smoother.
"In my time" you say?
You DO realize that back in the 8 and 16-bit days 99% of games ran at 60 fps, right? Games were fast and smooth on all platforms.
Unlike 30 fps, 15 fps really isn't playable. It's just too slow.
Sleepy Buddha
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The lack of experience programming for the system is another reason. Just look at Perfect Dark Zero versus Gears of War 3 on the 360 and Resistance versus Uncharted 3 on the PS3. It takes some time for developers to truly understand how to better code and utilize resources on any new system.
I'm willing to bet that I'm older than you and I've been playing longer than you.
640x480 generally works fine for racing games but I doubt anyone would argue against a preference for 1920x1080!
As far as I'm concerned, there is no genre where framerate matters more than racing games. Maybe FPS, but I don't play enough to be sure.
It would be nice. Fucking Ridge Racer is the utterly inexcusable one.
MarshMellow96
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Did you download them from the store? If you check your download list there might be a few more. Chinatown Wars and Disgaea 1 are unavailable for download but I could do so after looking at my download history..
Metalmurphy
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Anyone is gonna prefer 60 over 30, but if 60 isn't an option then stable 30fps won't ruin the game. As shown, like I said, by all other Wipeouts besides HD and Fury.
*edit* Actually, I think one of the PSP Wipeouts was 60fps too.
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Atcha
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if you have already bought some PsP games ,
You need to do this (history list ) to put your PsP games on Vita.
I have done the same thing for : ZHP , prinny, Gran turismo PsP , FF tactics.
The_Darkest_Red
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Well that's a bit extreme but I agree with you.
I think framerate is probably most important in fighting games.
The PSP Wipeout games could run a bit faster when overclocked, but not a smooth 60 (it was an unstable 60 fps).
The PS2 game, Wipeout Fusion, was also 60 fps.
Most of the series has been 30 fps or lower. Wipeout Pure on a stock PSP is actually below 30 fps most of the time even. :\
Hispanicguy
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It's amazing. LOVE it. I think I've played this game more than my retail games. If anyone plays this game just as much as I do, feel free to add me lol: Hispanicguy.
ss_lemonade
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Jesus Christ, finally found a store selling a 16gb memcard here. Unfortunately it was like 90 bucks. Dafuq at that price, ridiculous
famousmortimer
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I thought Wipeout at 30fps was gonna bother me. It doesn't. That game is soooooooooooooooooooooo fun. Absurdly fun.
the androgyne
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Wipeout 2048 doesn't even hold a stable 30fps to my eye, especially on combat levels... it's a shame cause it should be a priority for all racers, let alone just wipeout, but i can't say it has dampened my enjoyment of the game at all.
Baloonatic
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Man, I still don't understand how to play Ninja Gaiden after all these years. How the hell do you kill the guys on horseback?
DenogginizerOS
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Arrows.
Vyse The Legend
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So, decided to purchase a PSP game or two to test the backwards compatibility.
After hearing how great the games looked, I went with Dracula X Chronicles, which I found to be completely and utterly unplayable on my PSP1000 (ghosting and poor image quality).
HOLY CRAP.
It looks amazing on the Vita, and I love the Vita's D-Pad/buttons.
This sold me on buying up older PSP games. Oh, how I wish MegaMan Powered Up was on the store.
After hearing how great the games looked, I went with Dracula X Chronicles, which I found to be completely and utterly unplayable on my PSP1000 (ghosting and poor image quality).
HOLY CRAP.
It looks amazing on the Vita, and I love the Vita's D-Pad/buttons.
This sold me on buying up older PSP games. Oh, how I wish MegaMan Powered Up was on the store.
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