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timetokill said:
I'll tip poorly/not at all if the service is really bad, but otherwise I'm pretty generous. (15%-20%)

For example, I recently went to a place where the following happened:
- I asked for a water when they came to ask us what drinks we wanted. She brought the drinks for the other guys, and she said she'd "be right back" with my water.
- I notice our food sitting on the counter (We were one of two groups in the entire restaurant, pretty easy to notice). It sat there for several minutes, waitress nowhere to be found.
- Waitress finally notices the food, brings it by. Still no water. I ask about it again.
- Water never arrives, instead the check is brought.

You better believe I didn't tip for that shit.
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Yep, You're an asshole.
 
AOA said:
Yep, You're an asshole.
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Not really? How basic is it to serve hot food hot, and get the drinks right, especially in a building with only 2 parties sat. And this is coming from someone that worked in the service industry for 5 years. If I get great service, then you better bet I'm expecting a tip, but I'd be damned if I ever thought I'd get anything KNOWING I messed up.
 
timetokill said:
I'll tip poorly/not at all if the service is really bad, but otherwise I'm pretty generous. (15%-20%)

For example, I recently went to a place where the following happened:
- I asked for a water when they came to ask us what drinks we wanted. She brought the drinks for the other guys, and she said she'd "be right back" with my water.
- I notice our food sitting on the counter (We were one of two groups in the entire restaurant, pretty easy to notice). It sat there for several minutes, waitress nowhere to be found.
- Waitress finally notices the food, brings it by. Still no water. I ask about it again.
- Water never arrives, instead the check is brought.

You better believe I didn't tip for that shit.
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I'm sure it's been asked before but I'd be curious how the service was. And, yes, that does matter. If the waiter/waitress was a complete ass then they wouldn't be getting shit from me.
 
FindMyFarms said:
Not really? How basic is it to serve hot food hot, and get the drinks right, especially in a building with only 2 parties sat. And this is coming from someone that worked in the service industry for 5 years.
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According to some people crappy service is when people are downright rude and spit in your face!

I agree though, if you're not serving properly and you're messing up orders, you're not doing your job and you certainly shouldn't be tipped for not doing your job as you should.
 
RDreamer said:
That's how it's suppose to work, but that isn't really how it actually works. My wife worked at a place for a little while when she couldn't find anything else. She made $2.33 an hour, but her tips never really got her up to minimum wage, since she worked the cruddy shifts there. She could have brought it up, and they would have probably made up the difference, but she'd be fired. All of the waitresses told her that's how it works. You ask for the difference and you're out.
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That sucks, but there are also people getting paid less than minimum wage by working under the table. Shady things happen but I'm not going to feel responsible for making up a restaurant's shitty practices.
 
vicissitudes said:
That sucks, but there are also people getting paid less than minimum wage by working under the table. Shady things happen but I'm not going to feel responsible for making up a restaurant's shitty practices.
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But you have no problem supporting the "shitty practices." If you think it's wrong, then don't go into full service restaurants. Period.
 
Vilix said:
I'm sure it's been asked before but I'd be curious how the service was. And, yes, that does matter. If the waiter/waitress was a complete ass then they wouldn't be getting shit from me.
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How is it relevant to the "get a real job" line? Does being good at something make it anymore of a "real" job?
 
HammerOfThor said:
Well that if the service was just really, really, really shitty?

Douche bag move none the less.
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To counter this hypothetical, would you having received shitty service, have left this kind of message? I think the message would be a bit less douchey, and a bit more personally scathing had he felt personally wronged.
 
FindMyFarms said:
But you have no problem supporting the "shitty practices." If you think it's wrong, then don't go into full service restaurants. Period.
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Do you really think they'll put 2 and 2 together like that?

Hmmm noone seems to be eating at our restaurant, must be because of how we pay our employees and not anything else....
 
Maleficence said:
To counter this hypothetical, would you having received shitty service, have left this kind of message? I think the message would be a bit less douchey, and a bit more personally scathing had he felt personally wronged.
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To be honest, unless my server is a complete jackass, I always leave a nice tip. Nicer if they are awesome. Most things that go wrong, like cold/under-cooked food aren't the servers fault at all. Not everyone shares this sentiment tho.

But yeah I see your point.
 
squidyj said:
Do you really think they'll put 2 and 2 together like that?

Hmmm noone seems to be eating at our restaurant, must be because of how we pay our employees and not anything else....
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Fucking principles, how do they work?

HammerOfThor said:
To be honest, unless my server is a complete jackass, I always leave a nice tip. Nicer if they are awesome. Most things that go wrong, like cold/under-cooked food aren't the servers fault at all. Not everyone shares this sentiment tho.
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Personally I believe that this is the most ethical course of action.
 
I always leave a good tip even for shitty service (generally around 30%, 20ish if only minor fuckups/attitude, 10-15 if shitty).
I'll also occasionally tip the bartender if he's doing a good job and the servers are shitty, even if I didn't sit at the bar.

If it's an expensive meal/resteraunt then I think I've never had shitty service, otherwise it's only a difference of a couple of dollars and I'd rather feel good about myself than have the money.

Also, building a reputation of being a good tipper can really benefit you in the long run if you hit the same bar/restaurant often.
 
I had a waiter at Olive Garden bring out our food first, followed by our check, and finally our drinks. He also brought me an empty bowl, set it down in front of me and looked at it for a minute before saying they were out of soup. The best part was when he asked us if we wanted cheese on our food we all said "No"; he then started to put cheese on it. My friend again said "No cheese", so the guy pauses for a few seconds, and then resumes putting cheese on.

My friends and I ended up tipping him pretty well because it basically turned into dinner and a movie with how new/inexperienced this guy was.

Two weeks later we went and got the same guy again. He brings out our food and without us even saying anything goes "Oh thats right, no cheese".
 
With all the crazy shit going on in the US, Fox News, Republicans, Tea Parties and no universal healthcare, tipping is definitely one of the main reasons I would not move permanently.
 
cwmartin said:
I'm more insulted that he feels his job is better than anyone else's, regardless of what he did or didn't tip.
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Thought experiment: Earth is going to be struck by an asteroid in one month. The ensuing dust cloud will render the surface of the planet uninhabitable for 50 years. The government has created a vault that can hold 10,000 people. You're in charge of selecting the 10,000 people who will repopulate the planet.

Does a single investment banker make it into the vault?
 
Puddles said:
Thought experiment: Earth is going to be struck by an asteroid in one month. The ensuing dust cloud will render the surface of the planet uninhabitable for 50 years. The government has created a vault that can hold 10,000 people. You're in charge of selecting the 10,000 people who will repopulate the planet.

Does a single investment banker make it into the vault?
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Are the investment bankers in question of good breeding stock?
 
I remember studying the Great Depression in high school, and how reading stories from those who lived through it who saw the rich and mighty lose everything and ended up homeless, penniless and in a line with everyone else at the soup kitchen.

I hope that happens to him.

If that isn't possible, can someone key the word "C*NT" into the side of his car?
 
cwmartin said:
I'm more insulted that he feels his job is better than anyone else's, regardless of what he did or didn't tip.
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The waiter had it coming. That vermin had the audacity to feel entitled to his money by handing him a check that included a tip line. You know how that investment banker got rich? Well, it wasn't by expecting charity from people! It was by kicking ass and taking names!

Or something. I don't know. I've encountered a lot of people who don't tip who have delusions of grandeur wherein not tipping isn't about saving themselves a couple of bucks. Oh no! It's about standing up to broken societal construct! And the best way to take that stand is to patronize places where the practice is standard and save themselves a couple of bucks by not tipping.
 
squidyj said:
Do you really think they'll put 2 and 2 together like that?

Hmmm noone seems to be eating at our restaurant, must be because of how we pay our employees and not anything else....
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So if you oppose something of which you know full well how it works you'd still willing go in and be a complete dick to your waiter? Obviously this is addressed at people that disagree with tipping procedures yet still go to full service restaurants and do not leave decent gratuity for good service.
 
jim-jam bongs said:
Effective communication requires clarity, if you don't say something the assumption will be that you're just a cheap prick.
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That's based off the incorrect assumption that one is "owed" a tip even if the service is shitty. A shitty tip *is* effective communication that the service rendered was sub par.
 
Puddles said:
Thought experiment: Earth is going to be struck by an asteroid in one month. The ensuing dust cloud will render the surface of the planet uninhabitable for 50 years. The government has created a vault that can hold 10,000 people. You're in charge of selecting the 10,000 people who will repopulate the planet.

Does a single investment banker make it into the vault?
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Replace investment banker with "waitress" if this is the only metric you use to judge people.

This is a stupid method to assess someone's value when we live in a service based economy, not a post-apocalyptic one that will struggle to rebuild even the basic foundation of agriculture
 
TheChocolateWar said:
Are the investment bankers in question of good breeding stock?
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Perhaps. Perhaps not.

The point is that ANY of these classes would be a better choice: engineer, teacher, doctor, plumber, electrician, mathematician, historian, carpenter, machinist, welder, architect, artist, musician, janitor, cook, nurse, psychiatrist, massage therapist, law enforcement personnel, probably 500 other jobs that I'm not even going to list.

That waitress would probably be more useful in the vault than this guy would.

Perspicacity said:
Replace investment banker with "waitress" if this is the only metric you use to judge people.

This is a stupid method to assess someone's value when we live in a service based economy, not a post-apocalyptic one that will struggle to rebuild even the basic foundation of agriculture
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We do live in a service based economy, but the foundation of it all is still people making things.

A banker shouldn't be telling anyone to get a real job.
 
Is it wrong that I refuse to tip when I order a pizza for carryout? I certainly tip if I get a delivery but I hate the concept of tipping for a carryout order.
 
Puddles said:
Perhaps. Perhaps not.

The point is that ANY of these classes would be a better choice: engineer, teacher, doctor, plumber, electrician, mathematician, historian, carpenter, machinist, welder, architect, artist, musician, janitor, cook, nurse, psychiatrist, massage therapist, law enforcement personnel, probably 500 other jobs that I'm not even going to list.

That waitress would probably be more useful in the vault than this guy would.
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So vaults are better as a commune than a private economy?
 
W Hudson said:
Is it wrong that I refuse to tip when I order a pizza for carryout? I certainly tip if I get a delivery but I hate the concept of tipping for a carryout order.
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To me its no different than eating at an actual restaurant. Just because you're actually there doesn't mean they work any less harder to prepare your food.
 
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