Wih. Wihtout is actually failry loud.
You know, I'm going to leave the spelling as it is. I like it.
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Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto
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Wih. Wihtout is actually failry loud.
You know, I'm going to leave the spelling as it is. I like it.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Here's the official Wii U "Subscreen" quote.
Miyamoto: “Originally, I was making Pikmin 3 to be launched on the Wii platform,” said Miyamoto, talking to Entertainment Weekly. “Because the Wii U is capable of HD quality pictures, and will be accompanied by the subscreen on your hand. I thought that I would be able to make a Pikmin that was closer to my ideal. I am now actually enjoying myself, working on the game.”
http://www.kotaku.com.au/2012/02/miyamoto-enjoying-creating-pikmin-3-on-the-wii-u/
Miyamoto: “Originally, I was making Pikmin 3 to be launched on the Wii platform,” said Miyamoto, talking to Entertainment Weekly. “Because the Wii U is capable of HD quality pictures, and will be accompanied by the subscreen on your hand. I thought that I would be able to make a Pikmin that was closer to my ideal. I am now actually enjoying myself, working on the game.”
http://www.kotaku.com.au/2012/02/miyamoto-enjoying-creating-pikmin-3-on-the-wii-u/
I know, I know...and that is what I'm doing.
I let his posts inspire me and develop ideas by myself.
See the reson why that with the 3D screen came up in me was this news posted longer ago:
http://www.computerandvideogames.co...ller-screen/?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=CVG-General-RSS
So everything is changing all the time and as Nintendo has a patent on a pad that enables 3D view like on 3DS even with HD, what makes you think they wont use it?
Yes its higher costs but:
- Nintendo states all the time WiiU wont be cheap
- as we hear all the time Nintendo releases stronger and stronger devkits (the reason is maybe not only meeting requirements for UE4 and other engines)
- they have that patent and why not use it? makes even great sense cos you can play 3DS games from VC, use 3DS as second controller...
So I would really like the IDEA of the padlet to use the 3D feature like 3DS
Yup. I'm still racking my brain, trying to figure-out what The Final Secret(s) may be.
Haptic feedback? Rumble?
3D screen?
A quasi-portable gaming system encapsulated within the controller?
WiiWare games sold, to be played only on the controller?
A Skype-like function?
Reggie made that statement about households with high disposable income being this machine's target this time around, and similar sentiment was echoed by Iwata (I think). So when speculating, it's hard to decide.. do I take Reggie's words seriously, or do I treat his statements as I would a politician's? And if it is expensive, is this due to some hardware decision, or from a weird feature of the controller that we aren't privvy to yet?
So much yet to be learned! And less than 80 days left!
Being able to play an online Risk game on the uPad wherever in my apartment sounds great.
I haven't been able to arrange a decent game night in a long, long time.. but Risk was a fixture throughout my college years (along with Hearts, Spades, and Monopoly). I can see RiskGAF being born and being quite popular with such a title being released.
The uPad already has rumble
why is that? so no other system can use 3D?
and why cant the subscreen be HD?
All these things are possible (maybe not likely to happen but possible).
an HD screen would use up more performance than it has to.
It would use more resources than we want to.
It doesn't make any sense to add 3D function to the subscreen - because it doesn't make any sense! You have two screens - the TV and the sub screen - and unlike the 3DS you hold the controller like a controller and not like an handheld in front of your face.
The screen itself is expensive enough - why should they put 3D in it? To make it even more expensive than it is? And because the screen is actually small, it doesn't need HD. Look at all pictures of it from journalists etc., it has a great pixel density and doesn't need to be HD.
Get that idea out of your head. Just because they played around with the idea doesn't mean that it will find it's way in the final system.
If it even has one of those features - 3D or HD - the controller would be automatically more expensive.
jump_button
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lol 3D screen you do know they have to make two pics for that so that will be 3 pics it would have to make for that to work. I'll want 2 U pad more then 3D if they added 3D in they no way in hell it could
any news on 2 pad in use BTW?
any news on 2 pad in use BTW?
you could use it to play 3DS VC games, u could also display the inventory in 3D,
u could use a nice 3D effect if u use the pad ingame as a spy-glass, many possibillities...
My daughter was born 7 days ago now, so I've been pretty absent from here since then (Great to have the distraction until E3
). I skimmed the last bajillion pages and man, still nothing really coming through that's new.
I wonder why Nintendo are so quiet? Anyone have any thoughts? Seeing as we are getting an idea for what the console might be is anyone thinking there will be any surprises? It's looking like the power of the machine isn't going to blow us away like an SD to HD change, and I'm not expecting any sort of monster exclusive like Diablo III. So why the secrecy? Especially with respect to devs we know are making games for it.
Overall, the pessimist in me is thinking that there's little they can do to blow me away at this point and I'm actually getting less hyped for it and just more accepting of the inevitable. A few devs talking, or tidbits would do wonders at this point to keep things chugging along. Even something in broad terms like 'We have UE4 running on Wii U'. Maybe Nintendo are concerned that if info about the system being a more respectable upgrade from current gen got out, that it would hurt them negatively.
). I skimmed the last bajillion pages and man, still nothing really coming through that's new. I wonder why Nintendo are so quiet? Anyone have any thoughts? Seeing as we are getting an idea for what the console might be is anyone thinking there will be any surprises? It's looking like the power of the machine isn't going to blow us away like an SD to HD change, and I'm not expecting any sort of monster exclusive like Diablo III. So why the secrecy? Especially with respect to devs we know are making games for it.
Overall, the pessimist in me is thinking that there's little they can do to blow me away at this point and I'm actually getting less hyped for it and just more accepting of the inevitable. A few devs talking, or tidbits would do wonders at this point to keep things chugging along. Even something in broad terms like 'We have UE4 running on Wii U'. Maybe Nintendo are concerned that if info about the system being a more respectable upgrade from current gen got out, that it would hurt them negatively.
I don't, personally. I really was hoping for more than what it sounds like it can do. If it could do what Ideaman has said, but to two controllers, or his sources were going 'holy shit' then I might start feeling quite excited. I don't need 1080 (TV is only 720) but I want it to look 'Killer'.
We'll Have to wait and see of course, but it's sounding like we won't get graphics too much over 360 (everything we hear is subjective so it's a guess), if the system needs to render full scenes to TV and two subscreens.
Sure, but greater framerate and textures with 1080, or mind blowing graphics at 720 would be better. I think 1080 vs 720 comparisons are a little worthless because you can almost always make a game better looking by dropping the res and/or framerate and dedicating that power elsewhere.
Likewise. We need UE 4 level support (or DX 11 level, whatever you want to use for a benchmark) so that it won't miss out on any 3rd party multi plats.
I guess this is one thing that would excite me; if the range and fidelity is high enough for bed play.
Come on dude, keep up!
Also, my avatar is now a duck. And not just any duck. 300 internet points for whoever correctly identifies my duck.
Congrats and all the best!!
1) 3DS VC games? Why should they offer VC games of a platform that is alive and well?
2) Those other points are fine, but they don't belong on the uPad.
The Wii U isn't even powerful enough for that. Forget 3D on the Wii U, forget it.
My daughter was born 7 days ago now, so I've been pretty absent from here since then (Great to have the distraction until E3
That's actually the best news in this thread yet - congratulations man!
bgassassin
Member
Congrats Azak. Make sure to take paternity leave in early June.
I don't know if I'm seeing it the way wsippel did, but when I say Flipper 2.0 I was referring to having fixed functionality included not so much as a TEV being included under that. In my view and using wsippel's description it would be akin to what you are describing in that the "few hundred SPUs bolted on top" would replace the TEV. Though with the latter part of your post they would probably be OpenGL ES 2.0 shaders with TEV-like properties.
Well the good thing is that it shouldn't be so much about power, but functionality. If Nintendo makes the necessary tweaks to whatever their target GPU was, if it was coming short, then that's what really matters.
I don't know if I'm seeing it the way wsippel did, but when I say Flipper 2.0 I was referring to having fixed functionality included not so much as a TEV being included under that. In my view and using wsippel's description it would be akin to what you are describing in that the "few hundred SPUs bolted on top" would replace the TEV. Though with the latter part of your post they would probably be OpenGL ES 2.0 shaders with TEV-like properties.
Well the good thing is that it shouldn't be so much about power, but functionality. If Nintendo makes the necessary tweaks to whatever their target GPU was, if it was coming short, then that's what really matters.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
FWIW, here are some pixel number comparisons.
640x480: 0.31 million
960x540: 0.52 million (I think this is the bottom of the barrel for PS360 games)
1024x600: 0.61 million (Modern Warfare 3 PS3)
1280x720: 0.92 million
1280x720 + 852x480 = 1.33 million
1280x720 + 852x480x2 = 1.74 million (2 pads at full resolution)
1280x720 + 852x480x4 = 2.56 million (4 pads at full resolution)
1920x1080: 2.07 million
1920x1080 + 852x480 = 2.48 million
640x480: 0.31 million
960x540: 0.52 million (I think this is the bottom of the barrel for PS360 games)
1024x600: 0.61 million (Modern Warfare 3 PS3)
1280x720: 0.92 million
1280x720 + 852x480 = 1.33 million
1280x720 + 852x480x2 = 1.74 million (2 pads at full resolution)
1280x720 + 852x480x4 = 2.56 million (4 pads at full resolution)
1920x1080: 2.07 million
1920x1080 + 852x480 = 2.48 million
DaSorcerer7
Member
congratulations Azak
If nintendo wanted that sort of functionality, it would be there. They already patented the tech for it.
If nintendo wanted that sort of functionality, it would be there. They already patented the tech for it.
TEV is gonna be emulated by AMD, guys. They hold all the documentation for it, and Dolphin already runs on old pixel shader 2 cards, and even the lowest rumored card for the WiiU, those based on R700 are way more advanced than that.
No need to saddle their card with some old circuitry that will barely be used.
No need to saddle their card with some old circuitry that will barely be used.
frankie_baby
Member
So was the gamecube though
OG_Original Gamer
Member
I think Nintendo is trying recreate what they did with the Gamecube. A console thats powerful, technically capable to hold its own. While keeping a mass market price, $299.99 or $349.99. Personally don't a game pack in like Wii Sports, but a built in app, installed on mass storage device. This app would be a way to get the casual market.
fluffydelusions
Member
I have a PC for that so no bother to me. I will buy a Nintendo console for Nintendo games.
frankie_baby
Member
Did we hear it wont?
Either that, or a small variety pack of games introducing the audience to different gameplay and controller concepts. "Does it come with a game?" is such a popular question among gift shoppers, so perhaps preloaded games would satisfy that value evaluation.
(and uber: no cool internet points for me. I'm at a loss regarding ducky-pooh.)
Sure, the iPad will run UE4...eventually. But I doubt UE4 will run on machines with the specs of currently available iPads.
I highly doubt Wii U will run UE4.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Epic's Mark Rein says that Next Gen launch games will probably stick with UE3.
http://www.computerandvideogames.co...mes-will-probably-stick-with-unreal-engine-3/
Yet again, indicates that the Wii U won't be far behind the competition.
http://www.computerandvideogames.co...mes-will-probably-stick-with-unreal-engine-3/
Yet again, indicates that the Wii U won't be far behind the competition.
You seem to know more than everybody here. Could you share your experience with UE4? Has it "magic"? Tell us more, and while you're at it you could say a few things about the specs of the Wii U.
We got another insider! Yes!
DaSorcerer7
Member
thread-worthy
You seem to know more than everybody here. Could you share your experience with UE4? Has it "magic"? Tell us more, and while you're at it you could say a few things about the specs of the Wii U.
We got another insider! Yes!
I do actually, and the Insider told me: "Expect around XBox 360, more or less."
This doesn't say anything: which devkit does your source use?
They work at Nintendo.
I'm not expecting much beyond that, but I don't believe you.
Yeah, but which devkit does your source use? NOA or NOJ? Software department or hardware department? You can't answer all of those, but one of them would be a good start.
I fully expect UE4 to be running on 10x the power and have a few more gimmicky reflection/lighting effects. Don't know what people see in Samaritan. Still imagery has hit a wall. Uncanny valley will only be bridged with animation and behavioral improvements neither of which an engine itself will be likely to improve. Mark Reign is certainly a good salesman though.
I don't need anyone to believe me because I don't get off on Internet Celebrity or playing on the emotions of fans. My friend works at Nintendo. I respect his privacy so I won't say anymore than that. I was disappointed when he told me XBox 360 levels, but perhaps he meant with the controller screen on. Who knows.
You all are free to to choose who you want to believe. As for me, I hope he is wrong, but I don't see why he would lie to me about it.
You all are free to to choose who you want to believe. As for me, I hope he is wrong, but I don't see why he would lie to me about it.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
I'm still a Junior member, so I can't make a thread yet. Feel free, anyone else.
cyberheater
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Which is what I'm expecting.
DaSorcerer7
Member
its up
I think the TEVs (an evolved form) would replace the TMUs. I mean, TEVs are TMUs on crack.
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