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[Enzom21]

Thanks, that has been the whole point of my recent postings. You just described virtually every poster in the first part of this thread with that comment.

Bullshit! The initial concern was that race was the driving force behind the killing of Trayvon. Your silly little crusade is you not wanting the killer to be white or racist. Let's also not forget you implying that maybe Trayvon was a gang member and this was some gang initiation. Why are you still in this thread? You don't seem to care about the kid or and of the new information that has come out.

 

[Roger Danish]

Thanks, that has been the whole point of my recent postings. You just described virtually every poster in the first part of this thread with that comment. Everyone was more concerned by the fact that the guy was white and racist--the media, commenters, everyone. The fact that he killed a 17 year old kid was nothing but a foot note that allowed them to push their racism agenda--evidence and facts be damned.

I don't think the two are necessarily separable in this case. This fits quite easily into the narrative of neighborhood watch groups harassing black residents in suburban communities. The subtext behind "neighborhood watches" is to keep a lookout for "suspicious darkies." I suspect that it's not at all uncommon for the clowns like Zimmerman who assume prominent roles in such groups to be registered gun owners.

 

[Particle Physicist]

I don't think a hoodie is required to be considered suspect. I've had 'concerned neighbors' call the police on me for:
-hanging out outside of a church in a boy scout uniform
-kicking around a soccer ball in the park with some friends (not playing soccer)
-spending too long saying goodnight to a girl outside of her house

I had a friend's younger brother (probably 10 at the time) get the cops called on him because he rang the wrong doorbell (my house and my neighbors house looked almost identical) and happened to be black.

 

[mckmas8808]

That recording where he says,"This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about," and, "These niggers. They always get away." Show that there's no intent.

You sue the department and get people fired. That's what the victim's family does.

He really said this? I didn't hear this.

 

[Enzom21]

He really said this? I didn't hear this.

He didn't, he said "these assholes". He did say fucking coons though... so there's that.

 

[MightyHealthy]

Let's also not forget you implying that maybe Trayvon was a gang member and this was some gang initiation. Why are you still in this thread? You don't seem to care about the kid or and of the new information that has come out.

I searched the thread for his posts...

- constantly mentioning gang initiations
- talking about large linemen in a case about a skinny 17 year old
- this exchange:

Deadly armed vs. unarmed cases should always result in an immediate arrest when there is no doubt the shooter killed the unarmed person.

You don't let a killer go around free while you investigate his excuse for shooting someone in the chest.

You realize you're basically arguing for guilty until proven innocent, you realize that right? Unarmed 300lbs guy smacks your ass to the ground in one blow breaking your jaw or nose and says he's going to curb stomp your head into a pancake. So you shoot and kill him and think you should immediately be arrested and charged, no doubt or excuse about it? Amazing.

Hahahaha, oh wow.

And he always says some variation of "I'm didn't read the available articles," "I don't know all the details, but..." etc.

 

[Wolfe]

He really said this? I didn't hear this.

That quote (the audio) has been played on the news frequently whenever I see this story come up, just that the bad word is bleeped out.

Edit:
I just meant the fact that he apparently used a racist or derogatory term, not specifically which term since it was bleeped and I couldn't tell

 

[CrazyDogg77]

The hoodie is definitely not needed for suspicion. I remember last year I was in the airport. I saw a girl with a University of Chicago bad. Now this school had been recruiting me because of my academics so I figured I would ask her about the school. As I approached she saw me clutched her bag and got out of the line for food we were in. I was about 5'3" and 110lbs; smaller than her at the time. The funny thing was I was in the airport coming from the White House for a business summit. Funny how people's perceptions are so rooted in appearance no matter what we do.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

so I was on my drive home and was listening to the radio. Apparently Trayvon was on his phone with his girlfriend during the duration of his walk to and from the convenient store, and apparently he told the girl he was being followed and he was just going to walk really fast.

I had never heard of this before.

 

[Wolfe]

so I was on my drive home and was listening to the radio. Apparently Trayvon was on his phone with his girlfriend during the duration of his walk to and from the convenient store, and apparently he told the girl he was being followed and he was just going to walk really fast.

I had never heard of this before.

I saw this mentioned on the news this morning as well, hope this Zimmerman guy gets locked up. I don't want guys like that on the street none the less with a fucking gun.

 

[echoshifting]

so I was on my drive home and was listening to the radio. Apparently Trayvon was on his phone with his girlfriend during the duration of his walk to and from the convenient store, and apparently he told the girl he was being followed and he was just going to walk really fast.

I had never heard of this before.

That's because it's new evidence, just released today. Discussed briefly on the last page. It's pretty damning, in my opinion, but there's so much evidence against Zimmerman at this point I am saddened it is even needed. More fuel for the fire.

Still, it was nice to get up this morning and see Trayvon Martin's picture on the top of every news site I frequent. Perhaps we'll see some modicum of justice here after all.

 

[Deified Data]

Sad that this situation hasn't resolved itself by now.

It's amazing how reporting of this incident differs by cable network:

MSNBC: "A black boy was killed by a white man outside a gated neighborhood. The man claims self defense, but the boy was carrying nothing but skittles. For some reason, authorities are refusing to look into the situation further."

FOX: "A boy was killed by a man in self-defense."

 

[Pterion]

FOX: "A boy was killed by a man in self-defense."

Fair and balanced. With 2 confederate flags, 1 in each arm.

 

[samus i am]

I saw this mentioned on the news this morning as well, hope this Zimmerman guy gets locked up. I don't want guys like that on the street none the less with a fucking gun.

In case you missed it, here is the interview: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/20/trayvon-martin-final-moments_n_1366697.html?ref=topbar

 

[MightyHealthy]

FOX: "A boy was killed by a man in self-defense."

Or even worse:

"Anti-Gun Advocates Use Teen's Death To Go After NRA"

 

[Dude Abides]

I searched the thread for his posts...

- constantly mentioning gang initiations
- talking about large linemen in a case about a skinny 17 year old
- this exchange:

Hahahaha, oh wow.

And he always says some variation of "I'm didn't read the available articles," "I don't know all the details, but..." etc.

Shows what you know. This is standard initiation procedure for the Sanford East Side Skittles Crew - buy Skittles, then jump a white guy (although a latino will do in a pinch). They call it "Tasting the Rainbow."

 

[element]

This video just made me angry. I'm not someone to take away the 2nd amendment, but this guy is fucking crazy. So angry and proud the fact that you can shoot someone dead in Florida if you feel you are in danger. "Welcome to the sunshine state, the heat we are packing here isn't the sunshine it is FIREARMS!" WTF? He even calls the 'stand your ground' law the 'shot first, ask questions second' law. WTF?

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/fmr-homicide-detective-illegal-kill-dogs-not

 

[ErasureAcer]

Been following this for a few days now and I"m shocked at what Zimmerman said to Police according to the latest CNN article. "I was yelling for help but nobody would help me."

WTF? I highly doubt Zimmerman was the one yelling for help...since when do people with guns yell for help when faced against a boy with skittles? This dude is a lying piece of shit who murdered an innocent life. He should rot.

 

[Stinkles]

By the way, think about what you do when you're walking through a neighborhood. Even your own. Do you look at the houses you're walking past?

I do.

 

[echoshifting]

Shows what you know. This is standard initiation procedure for the Sanford East Side Skittles Crew - buy Skittles, then jump a white guy (although a latino will do in a pinch). They call it "Tasting the Rainbow."

Cannot forget to pour one out after
If it isn't ice tea you are doing it wrong

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Or even worse:

"Anti-Gun Advocates Use Teen's Death To Go After NRA"

Opportunists suck.

 

[Enron]

Saying he shouldn't be arrested or investigated? Wtf is wrong with you?

Where did I say he shouldn't be "investigated"? I never made that claim. Stop lying.

Arrested I'm not so sure, and apparently neither were the cops.

Ok, cops racist assholes, you say? Well, now we've got a Grand Jury to decide whether or not to bring an indictment against Zimmerman.

Who are the posters here still defending Zimmerman?

Reallink
Enron

Who else?

Seriously, this is getting old.

 

[CrazyDogg77]

Where did I say he shouldn't be "investigated"? I never made that claim. Stop lying.

Arrested I'm not so sure, and apparently neither were the cops.

Ok, cops racist assholes, you say? Well, now we've got a Grand Jury to decide whether or not to bring an indictment against Zimmerman.





Seriously, this is getting old.

Didn't you reply to B!TCH's post twice?

 

[Mononofu]

Sanford is a shithole compared to the rest of Central FL. Only place worse is Apopka

Spoiler

I live in Longwood

It was even worse years ago and thats not saying a lot. I heard a lot of bad stories from my parents and grandparents.

Lived in Sanford 22 years, Lake Mary now btw.

 

[Measley]

Is there a reason why this PoS hasn't been arrested yet?

 

[Stinkles]

Is there a reason why this PoS hasn't been arrested yet?

It's not illegal to post retarded defenses on the internet.


Oh, you mean Zimmerman.

 

[Deified Data]

Is there a reason why this PoS hasn't been arrested yet?

The official reason is there's not enough evidence to prove it wasn't self defense. As if the court would have any trouble convicting if the tables were turned, and a black kid claimed to kill a white guy in self defense.

Unofficially, who knows? I can understand not arresting him due to lack of evidence, but outright refusing to look into the issue further just reeks of something.

 

[mckmas8808]

The official reason is there's not enough evidence to prove it wasn't self defense. As if the court would have any trouble convicting if the tables were turned, and a black kid claimed to kill a white guy in self defense.

Unofficially, who knows? I can understand not arresting him due to lack of evidence, but outright refusing to look into the issue further just reeks of something.

And most of the evidence is on their own tapes!

 

[Dreams-Visions]

And most of the evidence is on their own tapes!

what would malcolm do?

 

[Deified Data]

Can someone enlighten me if there's a good reason for police simply not taking the testimony of witnesses? I'm trying not to jump to conclusions but this story makes it really tough.

 

[Log4Girlz]

Wow, if Zimmerman never called 911 there is likely almost no chance of a conviction.

 

[echoshifting]

Wow, if Zimmerman never called 911 there is likely almost no chance of a conviction.

Despite the fact that he requested immediate officer assistance?

I'm not trying to be smarmy, I really don't know.

 

[Kettch]

Where did I say he shouldn't be "investigated"? I never made that claim. Stop lying.

Arrested I'm not so sure, and apparently neither were the cops.

How many consecutive cases of shooting and killing an unarmed child while claiming self defense do you think it should take before someone is arrested?

I'm sure he could come up with an even better story next time. Let him go again until it gets investigated too?

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Wow, if Zimmerman never called 911 there is likely almost no chance of a conviction.

why? :-(

 

[Zoe]

Despite the fact that he requested immediate officer assistance?

I'm not trying to be smarmy, I really don't know.

Cause then they only have his (falsified) word that he was jumped.

 

[Reallink]

I searched the thread for his posts...

- constantly mentioning gang initiations
- talking about large linemen in a case about a skinny 17 year old
- this exchange:

Hahahaha, oh wow.

And he always says some variation of "I'm didn't read the available articles," "I don't know all the details, but..." etc.

Great find, you got me! Ignoring the fact that was hypothetical and clearly presented as such, you realize it's also from like 2 weeks ago when there were no real details about the happenings or parties involved (beyond their ages and fact that they were males). At the time, this thread thought Zimmerman was a 50y/o, gray haired white guy someone dug on Facebook who happened to have the same name. I'm not going to waste my time explaining away the (also purely hypothetical) gang initiation example, which was in no way intended to relate or draw any kind parallel to the specifics of this case. I know you read my explainations in digging up those quotes. It does serve as an excellent example for people's affinity for turning everything into a race issue even when there is none intended.

 

[echoshifting]

Cause then they only have his (falsified) word that he was jumped.

I think I misunderstood what L4G was saying, then...? Because there have been conflicting reports as to whether Zimmerman ever called 911 or just non-emergency lines. I thought he was saying that if it turns out Zimmerman only ever called a non-emergency number there would be (almost) no chance of conviction.

 

[Log4Girlz]

Despite the fact that he requested immediate officer assistance?

I'm not trying to be smarmy, I really don't know.

He requested their assistance when he called them about the "suspicious" person. If he never called them when he did, nothing would have been recorded and there would be a dramatically weaker case.

 

[echoshifting]

He requested their assistance when he called them about the "suspicious" person. If he never called them when he did, nothing would have been recorded and there would be a dramatically weaker case.

I see...my mistake, I didn't realize you were presenting something completely hypothetical/out of the realm of possibility. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Personally, I don't see too many people perceiving this guy to be white, regardless of how loose their interpretation. Even from the poor quality mug shots, he very obviously of Hispanic descent. Maybe other Hispanics and Hispanic mixes have a tilted view, but I'm pretty confident most people would describe him as Hispanic.



It's not an indicator of anything, but it has historically effected what stories the media chooses to push with a racism angle. How often do minority on minority crimes make national news in America with a decided racist spin? Not many, despite the fact that they're probably very common. Meanwhile it seems like there's a new white on minority piece almost every week. The point was this story probably gained most of it's traction on the (mistaken) assumption that Zimmerman was white. He's clearly not by most people's metric. This doesn't change anything about the case at all, but it does change how the media (and most people, see the first half of this thread) present it and perceive it. The fact that he apparently does have a history of doing the same thing to other people (not just blacks) is an indicator that perhaps this wasn't entirely racially motivated, or at least not to the degree as some would have liked.

You were corrected above, but I'll say it again - in this country the offspring of a white and hispanic coupling is often considered white.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Where did I say he shouldn't be "investigated"? I never made that claim. Stop lying.

Arrested I'm not so sure, and apparently neither were the cops.

Ok, cops racist assholes, you say? Well, now we've got a Grand Jury to decide whether or not to bring an indictment against Zimmerman.





Seriously, this is getting old.

I'm not even arguing FOR Zimmerman, for fuck's sake. I'm arguing that it seems like a lot of the evidence isn't exactly the best and that might explain the lack of an arrest and charge. Do you read only what you want to read? I've stated time and again what I think of Zimmerman and his guilt. Jesus Christ.

What evidence is "not the best?" You have Zimmerman admitting he shot him. In most places that alone would be enough for an arrest. You have Zimmerman disobeying an instruction not to follow Martin. You have 911 tapes where it sounds like a younger person is telling someone else to get away from him. You have three witnesses who say they heard the incident and that Martin was screaming for help. What more evidence do you think is needed? A signed confession?

All of which is circumstantial - none of the witnesses actually saw or heard the entire incident, only the tail end of it. The best of the evidence against Zimmerman is his changing story, but my guess is that without anything better than the witness testimony in their hands its probably not enough based on that alone.

My reading comprehension may not be correct but these three posts are about you and Dude Abides discussing evidence that provides probable cause for charges (by which I mean arrest). Are they not?

Normally, you arrest a suspect when they're suspected of a crime and there's probable cause established, and you investigate the suspect, the victim, and the circumstances of the crime.

I'm not sure if you just don't understand the difference between arresting someone, indicting someone, and convicting someone, or if you're playing devil's advocate, or you really truly believe there isn't enough cause for an arrest.

I sure as fuck am not lying, though.

 

[Chumly]

Is there a reason why this PoS hasn't been arrested yet?

Reallink is actually the policy chief.

 

[aggro crag]

why? :-(

The impression that I'm getting is that it would be his word against Treyvon's.

 

[Reallink]

You were corrected above, but I'll say it again - in this country the offspring of a white and hispanic coupling is often considered white.

Considered by whom exactly, themselves? Their parents? Other Hispanic's? It seems like it should be based on what you look like, not what you label yourself. For example if the police were trying to identify a Hispanic man wanted in the shooting of a black boy (based on eye witness accounts), I guess that means Zimmerman's innocent cause he says he's white. I guess we know now why he hasn't been arrested Measley.

 

[Verelios]

Great find, you got me! Ignoring the fact that was hypothetical and clearly presented as such, you realize it's also from like 2 weeks ago when there were no real details about the happenings or parties involved (beyond their ages and fact that they were males). At the time, this thread thought Zimmerman was a 50y/o, gray haired white guy someone dug on Facebook who happened to have the same name. I'm not going to waste my time explaining away the (also purely hypothetical) gang initiation example, which was in no way intended to relate or draw any kind parallel to the specifics of this case. I know you read my explainations in digging up those quotes. It does serve as an excellent example for people's affinity for turning everything into a race issue even when there is none intended.

Why did this even come up then? Honestly, I don't want to feed you but what the hell. Do you actually read what you write?

Why would you post a hypothetical postulating a scenario on gang initiation and an elderly white man being heavily overpowered by some enraged African American teenager? Why not the inverse? Just to be contrarian? Because you wanted Zimmerman to have fair representation? "Because, oh, one party is dead, and this guy says he didn't do it, so that's all we have to go by. Oh, and also, he's so sparkly clean and not~"

I have absolutely no idea what your justification for that statement was, other than to be outlandish. At least Harvey stayed relatively objective; what was this!?

 

[equap]

https://twitter.com/#!/HuffPostMedia/status/182090602744258560
did he say "fucking coons"?!? @2:21

 

[Blackace]

wait? when did the kid become a gang member?

 

[cartoon_soldier]

wait? when did the kid become a gang member?

He's Black duh

Read http://www.theatlantic.com/ta-nehisi-coates/ for some good analysis into the case. He always has good insight on cases where Race is involved taking either side of the issue.

 

[Raxus]

wait? when did the kid become a gang member?

Skittles gang represent?

I heard this story on NPR this morning so it definitely is gaining traction so I won't be surprised if action is taken.

 

[Particle Physicist]

wait? when did the kid become a gang member?

Who is saying he is a gang member?