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Wii U Speculation thread IV: Photoshop rumors and image memes

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Conor 419

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At the last one, Nintendo revealed some Nintendo Network details, including that the accounts are per-user, not per-console. That was pretty big. There were also some game releases.

But the last one was a quarter where Nintendo made profits, and it was just a regular quarter. Tomorrow, it's a report for the whole year, and Nintendo will be reporting their first even yearly loss since they went public, so they would have even more impetus to give out some optimistic data. We'll probably see them trumpet how the 3DS is outselling the NDS on a launch-aligned basis, but they almost certainly will have to face a barrage of questions asking them to show why they think their console strategy is going to succeed.




Nonsense. They're releasing a Pikmin game in June!!

I'm actually interested in this, even though it's old, as I never got around to trying out Pikmin, and I hear this version was the best.

Ahh, I remember that last one, it was really good. The hype was brilliant as that's when all of the hype train images were being made, and a lot of nifty details were announced too.
 

EloquentM

aka Mannny
I would be really sad if Nintendo couldn't get two tablets working on one console. I prefer the local multiplayer much more than I do the online.

does anybody remember reading this article about nintendo prohibiting developers from utilizing two padlets at the launch of the wii u?

http://www.01net.com/editorial/546244/la-wii-u-acceptera-plusieurs-tablettes-mais-pas-au-lancement/

it seems the controller is more costly than most anticipate it to be.

..?
 

HylianTom

Banned
If Nintendo announced a delay, I'd be building a new PC and I'd start spending my time in the Elder Scrolls again. Haven't even started Skyrim yet..
 

StevieP

Banned
could it render a wii game (or a game from any gen before) at this resolution?

No, it will be rendering Wii titles at 480p - as per original. I would assume this means emulation will be in hardware, not software - like on the Wii.

Dolphin-like brute force rendering isn't going to happen on the Wii U, and not just because it would require orders of magnitude more grunt than the system has.
I'm assuming any other emulation won't bother going over 1080p for various reasons (most people will have the console plugged into TVs, emulation of older systems would need those blurring-upscaling filters, etc etc).
 

Skiesofwonder

Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Although I loved the first Eternal Darkness, it's a stretch to think that Nintendo is especially excited about getting a sequel out there, with its sales and all. Seems like there would have to be a more compelling reason to resurrect the franchise.

Talk about the vitality sensor coming back or somehow being incorporated into the Wii Tablet - that makes the project make a little more sense, considering the insanity effects of the game.

Well yeah that's pretty much my whole angle on a new Eternal Darkness 2. Why would Nintendo want to bring back a niche franchise that didn't even sell over 400k worldwide unless they had something that really made a ton of sense and could potentially make it a huge hit. Vitality sensor combined with the sanity system is just that. Nintendo would have the first horror game that KNEW if you were scared and would adjust to how your body is reacted to the game. If would give off the vibe that it almost had a mind of its own. Like I said, it would have the potential to be a huge hit and also be a great hardcore title for the technology.
 

Redford

aka Cabbie
I'd be getting a 3DS like I was already planning and stealing my ambassador games from the friend I sold my old one to.

Nothing comes between me and YI
 

EloquentM

aka Mannny
No, it will be rendering Wii titles at 480p - as per original. I would assume this means emulation will be in hardware, not software - like on the Wii.

ahh, of course. Thank you.

Dolphin-like brute force rendering isn't going to happen on the Wii U, and not just because it would require orders of magnitude more grunt than the system has.
I'm assuming any other emulation won't bother going over 1080p for various reasons (most people will have the console plugged into TVs, emulation of older systems would need those blurring-upscaling filters, etc etc).


Okay, I understand. Thinking back though, filters to make emulated games look softer never did bother me.
 

Glass Joe

Member
About these NDAs and gag orders... Are we SURE or just hopeful that this extends to game announcements? Nintendo already showed a sizzle reel last year with 3rd party games. And other than making a slightly bigger splash at e3, there's little-to-nothing in it for anyone to pretend multiplatform games don't exist on Wii U till then.

The un-announcements of games like Resident Evil 6, Crysis 3, etc would seem to do a lot more harm than good for the console's image, waiting for a June reveal. Surely this isn't worth the risk of such a minor reward. Game footage is what people are waiting for with e3, game announcements from third parties just doesn't seem like anything you'd wanna gag.
 

axisofweevils

Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Previous financial reports have revealed stuff like a new Find Mii / Streetpass Quest game coming to 3DS, etc.... So hopefully there will be some juicy info there.

And on the plus side, Iwata can say, "Hey! At least we didn't make the Vita!"

Let's face it, the 3DS vs Vita sales chart is bound to look impressive....
 

EloquentM

aka Mannny
About these NDAs and gag orders... Are we SURE or just hopeful that this extends to game announcements? Nintendo already showed a sizzle reel last year with 3rd party games. And other than making a slightly bigger splash at e3, there's little-to-nothing in it for anyone to pretend multiplatform games don't exist on Wii U till then.

The un-announcements of games like Resident Evil 6, Crysis 3, etc would seem to do a lot more harm than good for the console's image, waiting for a June reveal. Surely this isn't worth the risk of such a minor reward. Game footage is what people are waiting for with e3, game announcements from third parties just doesn't seem like anything you'd wanna gag.

developers that have already been announced to be working on Wii U titles have directly commented on nintendo's NDA policy being unforgivingly strict. there was just an interview last week with a vigil developer talking about it. I think it's safe to say that nintendo is looking to have one of their biggest blowouts ever this e3.
 

adroit

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The best you can hope for is that Iwata confirms that they will indeed be bringing back the weather and news channels for WiiU.
:)

The weather channel data on the Wii is so depressingly bad (at least in the US...maybe it's better in Japan and/or other countries). The current weather conditions and forecast are usually completely different from other services on the web (like the National Weather Service, Weather Underground, etc.). So sad. I hope Nintendo gets rid of it or drastically improves it on the Wii U.
 
Nonsense. They're releasing a Pikmin game in June!!

I'm actually interested in this, even though it's old, as I never got around to trying out Pikmin, and I hear this version was the best.

Yeah, that's good and all, but a port of a Gamecube game won't support the system until next year.

Also, yes it is the best one. ;)
 
The weather channel data on the Wii is so depressingly bad (at least in the US...maybe it's better in Japan and/or other countries). The current weather conditions and forecast are usually completely different from other services on the web (like the National Weather Service, Weather Underground, etc.). So sad. I hope Nintendo gets rid of it or drastically improves it on the Wii U.

I'm not sure why, but somewhere along the way I thought Animal Crossing: City Folk would use the Weather Channel to match real-life weather in the game.

I was disappoint...even though I made the whole thing up.

So, there you go for one improvement: Use it to mimic real-life weather in games. Like, it could be raining on the Good Egg Galaxy or snowing in Hyrule.
 

Redford

aka Cabbie
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StevieP

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I'm not sure why, but somewhere along the way I thought Animal Crossing: City Folk would use the Weather Channel to match real-life weather in the game.

I was disappoint...even though I made the whole thing up.

So, there you go for one improvement: Use it to mimic real-life weather in games. Like, it could be raining on the Good Egg Galaxy or snowing in Hyrule.

Didn't that feature work in Tiger Woods 2010+?
 
:)

The weather channel data on the Wii is so depressingly bad (at least in the US...maybe it's better in Japan and/or other countries). The current weather conditions and forecast are usually completely different from other services on the web (like the National Weather Service, Weather Underground, etc.). So sad. I hope Nintendo gets rid of it or drastically improves it on the Wii U.
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schuelma

Wastes hours checking old Famitsu software data, but that's why we love him.
Just remembering past financial briefings, any news would come first from news articles correct? IIRC, the transcripts are not available immediately?
 

AzaK

Member
Imagine a Wii U commercial opening with beautiful on screen game-play of BlOps2/popularfps. Then the camera moves off screen and shows the player with the Upad. He then pauses his game, looks down at his controller, swipes the touchscreen and instantly goes from his game to the OS. It shows notifications on the side, maybe he got an e-mail to check real quick or needs to tweet, maybe he just got a friend request on facebook. He fires up his browser to check neogaf/gamefaqs or the eshop if they want to show all the features. Then just swipes back to CoD.
After another few seconds of gorgeous gameplay a small red unobtrusive dot shows up on the top right of his television, so he looks down and there is a flashing name of his red on the top right corner of his touchscreen and an ignore button on the bottom. He hits the name and says "Hey, what's up?" while he still frantically plays his single player.
Cut to the other person who is playing an entirely different game on his Wii U and he asks "want to play online?" First guy says "let's do it, anyone else on?" Cuts back to the second guy who swipes his touch screen then one touches to bring up a friend list and selects another friend whom a voice request his sent to. She is watching a movie but gets the same red dot, and then a 'Join Party for BlOps2' request pops up on her touchscreen.
It then shows a few seconds of multiplayer cutting back and forth between the players.
For extra cheese they could all start calling out silly things to their opponents like 'We own you' 'We got you' etc. Then queen comes on, "we will, we will, rock" and a splash logo screen for the New Wii U.

It's early. I'm still tired.

Great work! Listen to this dude Nintendo!!

An alternate version could have all that but at some stage he moves to controller only play when his mum wants the TV.

Sadly nega-azak says "no way in hell will Nintendo implement all that cool shit". :p
I can see Nintendo pulling a WiiConnect24 and saying it will be able to do all that. Then 5 years later it still won't be done yet.
 

Discomurf

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Looks like Star Trek might be coming to Wii U

http://www.gamespot.com/news/star-trek-possible-for-wii-u-report-6373380

I actually saw this yesterday and didn't see it on here so I figured I would pass it along. (sorry if old)


"We are exploring right now all of our options to get on the platforms that make sense," he said. "It's early. Good thing we have a lot of time to figure that out, and over the next few months we'll be able to announce a few more things."
 

AzaK

Member
If Nintendo announced a delay, I'd be building a new PC and I'd start spending my time in the Elder Scrolls again. Haven't even started Skyrim yet..

I have it too for PS3. Put it in, bit power button and 'beep beep beep' YLOD! And that was after a repair job by them for the first time it died. This all resulted in me deciding that I will never buy a Sony console again. I'm done.
 

HylianTom

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I have it too for PS3. Put it in, bit power button and 'beep beep beep' YLOD! And that was after a repair job by them for the first time it died. This all resulted in me deciding that I will never buy a Sony console again. I'm done.
Ouch.

If there were a delay (nooooooo......!!!), I could get lost in those games for months apiece. So the wait wouldn't be too painful at all. But I'd worry about Nintendo in the meantime; the U seems like a financially necessary infusion of enthusiasm for the company and its games.
 

axisofweevils

Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Probably the first of many articles like this.

From the Chicago Tribune. Nintendoomed. Analysts wanting Mario on smartphones. You know the score.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/busin...tever-operating-loss-20120425,0,7781797.story

The worst part of the article is this.

Yet a game started on a Wii can't be continued on a DS on the way to work or school. The Wii U, slated to go on sale in time for the year-end shopping season, does not address that convergence hurdle.

Wat?!

Still it ends positively:

Unlike money-losing Sony, where time is running out to counter the pounding it's getting from Apple and South Korea's Samsung Electronics, Nintendo, sitting on oodles of cash it made selling the Wii - about $14 billion - at least has time to mull its choices.
 

GCX

Member
Probably the first of many articles like this.

From the Chicago Tribune. Nintendoomed. Analysts wanting Mario on smartphones. You know the score.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/busin...tever-operating-loss-20120425,0,7781797.story

The worst part of the article is this.



Wat?!
Chicago Tribune said:
Nintendo will have to sell the new console for as much as $350 to break even, estimates Nanako Imazu, an analyst for CLSA in Tokyo. That is $100 more than it charged for the Wii in 2006 and would outstrip both the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360, which can be picked up for less than $300.
Umm what.
 

Anth0ny

Member
Probably the first of many articles like this.

From the Chicago Tribune. Nintendoomed. Analysts wanting Mario on smartphones. You know the score.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/busin...tever-operating-loss-20120425,0,7781797.story

The worst part of the article is this.



Wat?!

Still it ends positively:

Imazu said Nintendo, which earns about four-fifths of its revenue overseas, should get a boost this business term from a weaker yen and the launch of popular game titles including Mario Party 8 and the latest installment of Dragon Quest from Square Enix.

yup
 

GCX

Member
I also like this part:

Chicago Tribune said:
Any drastic strategy shift that would dispatch the Mario brothers into the realm of Android and Apple's iOS operating system would likely require a change at the top of Nintendo, said Macquarie's Gibson. And that likely won't happen for a couple of years until the Wii U is shown to be a clear failure, he added.
It's like that's the only possibility lol
 

guek

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Imagine a Wii U commercial opening with beautiful on screen game-play of BlOps2/popularfps. Then the camera moves off screen and shows the player with the Upad. He then pauses his game, looks down at his controller, swipes the touchscreen and instantly goes from his game to the OS. It shows notifications on the side, maybe he got an e-mail to check real quick or needs to tweet, maybe he just got a friend request on facebook. He fires up his browser to check neogaf/gamefaqs or the eshop if they want to show all the features. Then just swipes back to CoD.
After another few seconds of gorgeous gameplay a small red unobtrusive dot shows up on the top right of his television, so he looks down and there is a flashing name of his red on the top right corner of his touchscreen and an ignore button on the bottom. He hits the name and says "Hey, what's up?" while he still frantically plays his single player.
Cut to the other person who is playing an entirely different game on his Wii U and he asks "want to play online?" First guy says "let's do it, anyone else on?" Cuts back to the second guy who swipes his touch screen then one touches to bring up a friend list and selects another friend whom a voice request his sent to. She is watching a movie but gets the same red dot, and then a 'Join Party for BlOps2' request pops up on her touchscreen.
It then shows a few seconds of multiplayer cutting back and forth between the players.
For extra cheese they could all start calling out silly things to their opponents like 'We own you' 'We got you' etc. Then queen comes on, "we will, we will, rock" and a splash logo screen for the New Wii U.

It's early. I'm still tired.

Blech. Now I'm sad because I have zero faith in nintendo pulling off such a brilliant OS.
 

Azure J

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If there were a delay (nooooooo......!!!), I could get lost in those games for months apiece. So the wait wouldn't be too painful at all. But I'd worry about Nintendo in the meantime; the U seems like a financially necessary infusion of enthusiasm for the company and its games.

This is why games with high replay value are best. I've been lost in my fighting games as of late and I find that time isn't an issue as long as I can enjoy myself with my Marvel vs. Capcom 3 bros.

Motion seconded on the PC + Nintendo combo though. After seeing how beastly the mobile AMD 7970M is (something like 5 ~ 15% slower than a desktop 7870, fucking ridiculous) and realizing that the timing is perfect for me to go a little all out on a new laptop, I'll definitely be doubling down on this combo. Only addition is the two current handhelds. With that much I should be set for quite a while into the next gen. :)
 
Okay, let's try a game of truth-over-assumption:

The company, which began in 1889 making playing cards in the back streets of Kyoto, has been hammered by a precipitous drop-off in sales of its Wii, DS handheld console and its new 3DS version.


The claim seems to be that the 3DS has hit a precipitous drop-off compared to its prior success. Let's take a look at how the Nintendo 3DS, from its inception, has been selling compared to its predecessor, the Nintendo DS.


North American 3DS and DS Shipments - 3DS is selling (to vendors) far better on a launch-aligned basis


Japanese 3DS and DS shipments - 3DS is selling (to vendors) ahead on a launch-aligned basis (ongoing sales indicate that it is also is maintaining this superior momentum)


European 3DS and DS Shipments - 3DS is selling (to vendors) consistently ahead on a launch-aligned basis



Now, they may be saying that the current 3DS activity is not selling as well as the peak year of the DS. This is most certainly correct, but it is the normal mode of this industry for sales in each generation to look like a bell curve with a tail on the right. We just passed a transitional period between portable releases, which involves the prior offering dropping off in sales in anticipation of a new offering, and the new offering ramping up as initial production plans are ironed out. This always happens and should not be considered some new, unusual crash of a business.


There are caveats here:
A) While Nintendo is overall doing much better in this new portable generation compared to the last one, it is likely that the 3DS will not achieve the heights of the DS, which was in the midst of an unlikely perfect storm. This means that probably, the 3DS will sell overall a smaller amount. But it is not a crushing drop from the previous generation, as the article would seem to imply. And there has not been much of a causal link established between these dedicated gaming devices and general purpose mobile devices, which have some crossover in market but can also be considered separate industries.
B) I'm using shipment numbers, because that's all that we actually get in terms of accurate totals in all regions. Shipment numbers are sales to vendors, who in turn sell to end users, so sales to end users lag behind these values. When a system is in Beast Mode (such as with the Wii for its first three years and the DS from year 2 to 4), the lag is very small, so shipments are almost equal to sales. Otherwise, they're a bit lower.
C) The above is from garaph.info, a free data-gathering website which is considered particularly trustworthy, but your mileage may vary.
D) I'm thinking of other stuff -- perhaps it's notable that the DS had a higher profit margin than the 3DS, but I don't know that this is really related to the matter at hand.
 
instead of these guys talking about Nintendo putting Mario on iOS why don't they talk about an APPLE home console which is a thousand times more likely to happen then Nintendo ever going 3rd party
 

axisofweevils

Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Yeah, that one got me. They have absolutely no faith in Nintendo to overcome this.

It's like last year with the 3DS never happened.
I remember arguing with someone on another forum who predicted that it wouldn't even sell 10 million.
 

Deguello

Member
There always seems to be some money to be made in really bad video game industry analysis, especially when it concerns Nintendo.

I just wonder where that money could be coming from. It's not like heavily biased or even blatantly false information would be of any use to actual investors or potential partners. (This is why Fox Business Channel is such a joke. Who the hell wants slanted business news? That could lose you money!)
 

guek

Banned
Gaming analysts have a long way to go before their comments can shake me in the slightest. Actually predicting something correctly for once would be a good start...

The thing is, I don't believe that they're not promoting sound business tactics. From a larger eagle eye view, everything they've be espousing for so long makes perfect sense. The problem is they don't understand the video game industry very well, which is an obvious blunder they can't seem to wrap their heads around. Once we start analyzing more closely, it's easy to realize "oh, well, what was said earlier doesn't quite apply in this case." Analysts, including Pachter, are horribly myopic.
 
I am not going to give up on multi-upad play

Resident Evil 6 co-op using two uPads would be great right? :3

I want to see the Genesis Scanner from Revelations return to RE6, the U controller would be perfect for it. And I'd love to see a log of some sort to go along with it, I suspect they simply ran out of space to include it in Revelations.

I'd also like to see less ammo too so that the game can return to its edge-of-the-seat, survival horror roots.

AND NO CO-OP AT ALL!!! This is Resident Evil we're talking about here, it should be played with a single protagonist with cameo appearances from other characters along the way. Proper Resident Evil has always been a single player experience and was partially ruined by the introduction of co-op play by RE5. It needs to stop right now!!!
 

udivision

Member
I doubt Nintendo going third party would end cries for Nintendo to go third party. At best people will keep harping on the fact that Nintendo wouldn't have had to go third party if they had gone third party sooner.
 
There always seems to be some money to be made in really bad video game industry analysis, especially when it concerns Nintendo.

I just wonder where that money could be coming from. It's not like heavily biased or even blatantly false information would be of any use to actual investors or potential partners. (This is why Fox Business Channel is such a joke. Who the hell wants slanted business news? That could lose you money!)

I give it 6-7 years and all these analyst will be arrested for insider trading and for the classic pump&dump schemes.
 
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