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Marvel Cinematic Universe |OT| Discussion on released and future projects (spoilers)

Salsa

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The Marvel Cinematic Universe is a shared fictional universe that is the setting of superhero films independently developed by Marvel Studios, based on characters published in Marvel Comics. The setting is much like the Marvel Universe in comic books. The universe was established by crossing over shared plot elements, settings, cast, and characters.

In 2005, Variety reported that Marvel Studios would start producing its own films and distribute them through Paramount Pictures. Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige in 2009 initially referred to the shared narrative continuity of these films as the "Marvel Cinema Universe", but later used the term "Marvel Cinematic Universe".

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Marvel One Shots are a series of direct-to-video short films released by Marvel Studios, set within the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

The first, titled The Consultant, was released on the Thor Blu-ray on September 13, 2011. A second, titled A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor’s Hammer, was released on the Captain America: The First Avenger Blu-ray on October 25, 2011. Both films star Clark Gregg as Phil Coulson, and offer up self-contained stories about a day in the life of a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent.




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Iron Man 3: Shane Black is set to direct a screenplay by himself and Drew Pearce, which will be based on the "Extremis" story arc by Warren Ellis. Robert Downey, Jr. reprises his role as Tony Stark, with Gwyneth Paltrow and Don Cheadle reprising their roles as Pepper Potts and James Rhodes respectively. Iron Man 3 is scheduled to be released on May 3, 2013.

Thor 2: Alan Taylor is set direct a screenplay by Don Payne and Robert Rodat with Chris Hemsworth, Natalie Portman, Tom Hiddleston and Idris Elba reprising their roles from the first film. Thor 2 is scheduled to be released on November 15, 2013.

Captain America 2: Screenwriters Stephen McFeely and Christopher Markus said in April 2011 that they have been writing a sequel for Marvel Studios. In a June 2011 interview, they said, "The story will likely be in the present day. We're experimenting with flashback elements for more period World War II stuff. I can't say much more than that but we made it baggy enough to refer to more stories in the past". In September 2011, Chris Evans said that a sequel may not be released until 2014. In January 2012, Neal McDonough mentioned that a sequel would likely be filmed after the completion of Thor 2, which would likely be before the end of 2012.

In March 2012, it was reported that Marvel has whittled down a field of ten directors to three potential candidates; George Nolfi (The Adjustment Bureau), F. Gary Gray (The Italian Job) and brothers Anthony and Joseph Russo (Community) to helm the sequel. In April 2012, Walt Disney Studios announced that it will release the sequel to Captain America: The First Avenger on April 4, 2014. Disney stated, "The second installment will pick-up where … The Avengers leaves off, as Steve Rogers continues his affiliation with Nick Fury and S.H.I.E.L.D. and struggles to embrace his role in the modern world."
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Ant-Man: Edgar Wright plans to direct a live-action Ant-Man film. The script has been written by Wright and Joe Cornish, who plan to include Henry Pym and Scott Lang as major characters, with Pym as Ant-Man in the 1960s in Tales to Astonish style, and a flashforward to Lang as Ant-Man's successor in the 1980s/1990s.

Punisher: In July 2010, at the San Diego Comic-Con International, company head Kevin Feige revealed that another Punisher reboot is in the works. Feige said that the rights to the character have reverted back to Marvel Studios, and they want to take their own shot at it. He also said that he is aiming for a "Frank Castle" movie rather than a Punisher film.

Black Panther: In January 2011, Marvel Studios hired documentary filmmaker Mark Bailey to write a script for a Black Panther film with Marvel's Kevin Feige producing.

Inhumans: A trade report in March 2011 said Marvel Entertainment is developing an Inhumans film and described it as "in the vein of 'X-Men' about aliens who were put on Earth as a sleeper cell to eventually call back their race to take over the planet."

Since begining of producion on The Avengers there's also been talks for Hawkeye and Black Widow to get their own films. As well as a S.H.I.E.L.D. based film starring Nick Fury.

Alias TV Series: In December 2010, it was reported that Twilight screenwriter Melissa Rosenberg is developing a series for ABC titled, AKA Jessica Jones based on the comic book series, Alias created by Brian Michael Bendis. In November 2011, Rosenberg stated that the TV show would center on Jessica Jones and would have principal parts for Luke Cage and Carol Danvers. She also confirmed that the TV series would absolutely take place in the larger "cinematic" Marvel Universe and Tony Stark and Stark Industries are in the current pilot script but admitted, "As we go along things will alter in terms of what is made available to us, but we're definitely in that universe. We are in no way denying that that universe exists. And as much as I can I'm going to pull everything in from there that I can use"

Besides these there's been small talk (even leading to some writers hired) to begin production on movies based around other heroes, including:

- Cable
- Iron Fist
- Nighthawk
- Vision
- Dr. Strange
- Ka-Zar
- Luke Cage
- Dazzler
- Power Pack
- War Machine




... aaand that's pretty much it for now.
 

Solo

Member
Punisher is the only franchise they haven't done yet worth exploring. Although that brand is pretty sullied by the three existing movies. Shame, because the right person could make a great Punisher movie.
 

Slayven

Member
Stop shoehorning SHIELD into everything, gosh.

Dazzler and Cable are mutants, so i assume they would be with Fox.
 

noah111

Still Alive
Excellent OP, looking forward to this thread. Also, might as well cross-post from the Avengers thread;

So assuming that 2016 is when the sequel will hit, and that every three to seven months a new movie releases (though lately it's consistently every five months), what new characters do we think will be introduced before then? Here's the known dates for the confirmed upcoming stuff;

Iron Man 3 — May 3, 2013
Thor 2 — November 15, 2013
Captain America 2 — April 4, 2014

Given the relatively short window between each movie, we can assume that we won't be seeing any new characters introduced before CA2 in early 2014. But that leaves the question, what will they be pumping out afterwards? They have to have something ready within a maximum of nine months after CA2's release, spring or summer of 2015 at worst, but more realistically fall of 2014 (given the gap track record).

Apart from movies that introduce new characters (to be later included on the roster for Avengers 2), there are a bunch of possibilities for new movies with the same established characters.

-New Hulk movie starring Mark Ruffalo
-Standalone Hawkeye/Clint Barton movie
-Standalone Black Widow/Natasha Romanoff movie
-S.H.I.E.L.D/Nick Fury movie

Though of course, a SHIELD movie would probably cancel out the possibility of a Hawkeye/Widow getting their own thing, but who knows..

Besides those, here are the realistic possibilities for brand new characters to be introduced into the mix. I say realistic because there are actual current developments (more than talks), i.e. screenplays/scripts etc.

-Ant Man (+Wasp?)
-Black Panther
-Dr. Strange

Who knows what out of all of these would make it pre-Avengers 2, if anything. Maybe just a Ant-Man along with a new Hulk and SHIELD movie? Who knows. But the way I see it, apart from the sequels we already know about, there has to be (AT LEAST) two or three new MCU movies before Avengers 2 hits. Hard to tell how many (if any?) of those will be new characters, though.. but here are how the slots look in my mind;

? — Mid/Late 2014
? — Early/Mid 2015
? — Mid/Late 2015
Avengers 2 — 2016

I'd like to hear how you all think it'll go down before then.

The rumors of short-films (for everyone from Luke Cage to The Sentry) introduces a whole other aspect though, so who knows if that'll actually come to fruition or not.
 

Funky Papa

FUNK-Y-PPA-4
What about the Alias TV show? Isn't that under the Marvel Cinematic umbrella?

Edit: Stop quoting alleged spoilers, people. If that were true MOVIE SPOILERS:
it is... but I don't trust Fury's words
people would still read it after editing it out.
 

Bernbaum

Member
SPOILERS FOR US READERS!

CaptYamato edit the quote in your post. Cheers cap.

I like the idea behind this thread. All the films in this mythology have been great and I love the internal consistency. Would be interesting to see what Marvel makes of the opportunity.
 

Salsa

Member
mh, guess i should have been more clear with the "(spoilers)" on the title, i just figured it would be more clumsy if we were all posting with spoiler tags. I mean what would you want to discuss in this thread without having watched the films already... Still, no need to post something like that out of the blue shira :(

Considering half the world hasnt seen all 6 movies yet though

well half the world hasnt seen The Avengers and there's already an OT for that, with many people discussing in spoiler tags. Figured id make a thread for easier discussion for THOSE people (for now)
 

shira

Member
to be fair, i put "(spoilers)" right on the thread title. Easier to get a good discussion going if we assume we all have seen the 6 released films.

Clarify the OP, it says spoilers allowed - I was pretty sure the title implies discussion on all topics.
 

kruis

Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
What about the Alias TV show? Isn't that under the Marvel Cinematic umbrella?

The TV series and the comic book series are totally unrelated. I never liked the TV series, the comic books however are very good.
 

noah111

Still Alive
Might want to include Dr. Strange on the list OP.
Screenplay completed, search for Director - http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/1220017/is_the_doctor_strange_movie_finally_moving_ahead.html
Feige: Dr. Strange movie "sooner rather than later" - http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Dr-Strange-Movie-Likely-Happening-Sooner-Rather-Than-Later-27360.html

And not that this means anything but Stan Lee's input is positive; http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/...ack-panther-dr-strange-in-the-avengers-2.html


Punisher is the only franchise they haven't done yet worth exploring. Although that brand is pretty sullied by the three existing movies. Shame, because the right person could make a great Punisher movie.
I disagree, although I wouldn't mind a new Punisher movie or series, it brings absolutely nothing the MCU or future Avengers inclusion. It should just be isolated/standalone and done right.
 

kruis

Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Clarify the OP I was pretty sure the title implies discussion on all topics.

It's funny how your comment came out of nowhere, as if you were only doing it for the lolz.
 

XiaNaphryz

LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
well half the world hasnt seen The Avengers and there's already an OT for that, with many people discussing in spoiler tags. Figured id make a thread for easier discussion for THOSE people (for now)

Thread title should have been labeled with "Unmarked Avengers spoilers" then.
 

Gambit

Member
I wonder how the solo films will fare after Avengers.
It might be that interest will wane now that they have culminated in Avengers.

In any case, it's a good thing Iron man 3 is the next one, as I consider it the strongest solo series. (Especially with Shane Black at the helm)

Personally I hope Hawkeye, Black Widow and Shield will be featured in a single movie, not three individual ones. I doubt the characters are strong enough.

Oh and since someone mentioned tv-series. I think that would be great idea. Jessica Jones seems like a fantastic fit, although my personal favourite character for a tv-show would be She-Hulk. But I doubt it would be a feasible
 

Bleepey

Member
mh, guess i should have been more clear with the "(spoilers)" on the title, i just figured it would be more clumsy if we were all posting with spoiler tags. I mean what would you want to discuss in this thread without having watched the films already... Still, no need to post something like that out of the blue shira :(

The title was cinematic universe. People assumed you would gave the common court/good fucking sense not yo spoil a movie not even finished its first week. Fuck and I thought the Avengers OT was bad enough. I don't call for bannings but if it happened to you (temporarily) it would be fair.
 

Salsa

Member
Ok. Momentary header placed. Sorry for the confusion folks :/ wasnt expecting a spoiler to be so needlesly posted anyway

I was linked here from The Avengers thread, he didn't note it was a spoilers thread.

I really thought the "spoilers" in the title was enough. Sorry.
 
I wonder how the solo films will fair after Avengers.
It might be that interest will wane now that they have culminated in Avengers.

If they make strong enough stories relevant to the characters at the centre, and not stories that make you think "Hmmm, well why can't Thor fly in and Mjolnir this guy to death?" or whatever, then it'll be fine. Iron Man 3 looks strong in that regard- I'm not really expecting Cap or the Hulk to be much use fighting a nanobot virus, that's definitely a Stark tale.
 

T Dollarz

Member
So we aren't including the Marvel films before Iron Man? Because they're not Marvel Studios/in a different universe I assume?
 

noah111

Still Alive
I was linked here from The Avengers thread, he didn't note it was a spoilers thread.
Did your eyes magically snap the spoiler in all that text in the OP? You'd think "Discussion of all released and future projects (spoilers)" would be an adequate indicator..

So we aren't including the Marvel films before Iron Man? Because they're not Marvel Studios/in a different universe I assume?
Yup, they aren't part of one continuous universe, and thus contain no connected elements or easter eggs, such as SHIELD or any other form of relationship.
 

Solo

Member
When a thread title says SPOILERS, that probably means there are SPOILERS. :lol Oh GAF..

When a movie hasn't been released in North America and a lot of other countries, there is no need to be a dick and drop spoilers without warning from said movie, regardless of what the thread title says. The other 5 films are fair game.
 

Dram

Member
So we aren't including the Marvel films before Iron Man? Because they're not Marvel Studios/in a different universe I assume?

That's right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Cinematic_Universe

Also, Sony owns the rights to Spider-Man and Ghost Rider; Fox owns the rights to X-Men, Fantastic Four, and Daredevil. Both companies can keep the movie rights as long as they release movies with the characters every few years. Otherwise the rights revert back to Marvel.
 

Salsa

Member
The title was cinematic universe. People assumed you would gave the common court/good fucking sense not yo spoil a movie not even finished its first week. Fuck and I thought the Avengers OT was bad enough. I don't call for bannings but if it happened to you (temporarily) it would be fair.

I did not spoil anything man..
 

shira

Member
It's funny how your comment came out of nowhere, as if you were only doing it for the lolz.
Sorry couldn't wait to discuss something without spoilers.
I've spoiler tagged this fact several times in the Avengers OT.

Happy to talk to any mod.
 

Khezu

Member
Erm... Cable? Isn't he an X-Men character? And I thought a Runaways film was something being discussed.

Runaways would be a easy to make money maker for marvel, it would be insane for them not to do it.

A bunch of kids with super villain parents running away together, bullshit romance plots, would be a huge hit with the twilight/hunger games crowed.

No one has super crazy powers either, outside of karolina.
 

XiaNaphryz

LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Did your eyes magically snap the spoiler in all that text in the OP? You'd think "Discussion of all released and future projects (spoilers)" would be an adequate indicator.

To be fair, with how the OP looked like before the warning was placed on top and just had the big Coulson image at the top, I can see how you can easily not bother reading the thread title and just start looking through the OP given how the images draw your eye.

If an image is going to dominate the top of an OP, I always think its a good idea to make sure it mirrors the info you put in the thread title as well since it can happen so easily, as well are mark it in text of the actual OP itself - there wasn't any mention of "spoiler" in the OP text outside the thread title.
 

Salsa

Member
They are actually developing an adaptation of the comic series. The full name is Alias: Jessica Jones :)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=416188

yeah! totally forgot about this. I'd be cool with that.


To be fair, with how the OP looked like before the warning was placed on top and just had the big Coulson image at the top, I can see how you can easily not bother reading the thread title and just start looking through the OP given how the images draw your eye.

well, also to be fair i couldnt have assumed how each different poster was gonna go through the OP, if by reading the title or not. My mistake in not being even more clear though.

Again, sorry guys.


there wasn't any mention of "spoiler" in the OP text outside the thread title.

there was one in caps and bolded in the bottom wich i removed after including the new header
 

Cth

Member
It might be worth mentioning which properties are owned by who since there's a ton of confusion among fans causing lots of arguments.

Specifically, the idea that Fox owns all mutants, when Marvel owns the rights to Cable, Dazzler, Namor and some others. Recently Fiege went on record saying that Fox and Marvel can both use Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch -- it's a matter of who wants to use it first (possibly being a situation where neither wants to test who owns the rights to what)

Or to put it another way, Wolverine was first introduced in the Hulk comic, but most of the development for the character was done outside of the Hulk. So, likely with Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch a case could be made that most of their development came from Avengers comics (in Wanda's case) and thus Marvel could have leverage for the rights.

http://openjurist.org/277/f3d/253/twentieth-v-marvel

'The 1993 Agreement. In October 1993, Marvel and Fox signed an agreement (the "1993 Agreement") pursuant to which Marvel licensed to Fox all the rights that Fox may require in order to produce, distribute, exploit, advertise, promote, and publicize theatrical motion pictures based on the "X-Men" comic book series. The "X-Men" comic book series, referred to in the Agreement as the "Property," includes the X-Men Characters, specifically the "core" Characters and the Characters of the "X-Universe"; their origin stories; storylines from individual comic books; and "all other elements relating to the Property and the Characters." The rights granted to Fox included "the right to use the title (or subtitle or portion of the title) of the Property or any component of the Property as the title of any Picture or related exploitation." The Agreement reserved all television rights to Marvel, subject to a proviso, critical to Fox's pending contract claim, that Marvel would not "produce, distribute or exploit or authorize the production, distribution or exploitation of any live-action motion picture" without Fox's consent (the "Freeze").'

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/notyetamovie/news/?a=17347
Dazzler

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118001734?refCatId=13
Cable

http://screenrant.com/marvel-comics-movies-characters-carl-6766/
Who owns what

EDIT:
http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplayl...arlett-witch-in-avengers-x-men-films-20120420

Kevin Feige Says Both Marvel & Fox Can Use Quicksilver & The Scarlett Witch In 'Avengers' & 'X-Men' Films

The film rights to Marvel comic-book characters in the universe of Hollywood is, as Marvel Studios chief Kevin Feige put it in an interview with HeyUGuys, "pretty cut and dry." 20th Century Fox owns The X-Men and the X-men mutant universe, Dardevil and his world and The Fantastic Four and that comic book's millieu. Columbia/Sony owns Spider-Man and Ghost-Rider and for the most part Marvel Studios owns everything else ("The Avengers" and all the characters within are obviously their biggest brand).

However, there are a brother and sister pair of mutants that evidently have tricky rights. According to Feige, both Marvel and 20th Century Fox could use Quicksilver and The Scarlett Witch. "It's a little complicated," he said about the rights issues around these sibling characters. "If they want to use them in the 'X-Men' movies they could, if we want to use them in the 'Avengers' movie we could."

This is likely because Quicksilver and the Scarlett Witch, twin mutant characters and the son and daughter of X-Men villain Magneto, and were at one time members of both The Avengers and the X-Men in the comics. The Witch is a mutant with the ability to manipulate probability via her "hexes," while Quicksilver can run at a lightning-like speed.

Could these characters be used in the inevitable "The Avengers 2"? Feige won't say, likely because that sequel is further down the road. "Iron Man 3," "Captain American 2" and "Thor 2" would all come first but whenever the next 'Avengers' does eventually come to pass he "suspects new characters will be ceded into the mix as well."

Feige is right to not be definitive. An 'Avengers' sequel would probably not arrive until 2015 at the earliest considering all the groundwork and solo-film mapping that needs to be carried out first. Regardless, Feige says the Quicksilver/Scarlett Witch rights situation is "unique" and very few other characters share this distinction. Coincidentally, The Avengers villains The Skrulls are also co-shared (by 20th Century Fox we assume), but the Marvel chief says this isn't the reason they didn't use them as the antagonists in the film. "Joss had a lot of story going on," he said. "The last thing we needed was shape-shifters and getting into that end of the world so it was never the intention of shape-shifters or Skrulls.

And as for one of the early Avengers founding members, Ant-Man, who is still missing in action from the Marvel Universe, Feige does give an update on the Edgar Wright and Joe Cornish-written movie, but it's pretty much the same story we've heard over the last six months. "It's as close as it's ever been and Edgar is excited to get behind the camera again and start some advanced prep work for 'Ant-Man.' We're going to take some forward movement with it... but as far as a release date, I don't know."

As of right now there are two Marvel films slotted for 2014. "Captain America 2," set for April 4, 2014 and an untitled and unannounced slot already carved out for May 16, 2014. Marvel nerds will remember that a June 27, 2014 date was also etched out in advance for an unannounced Marvel film, but currently it's not on the release date calendar. Could "Ant-Man" be one of those films? Feige better hope they figure it out soon as Wright's dance-card is beginning to fill up.



EDIT 2:
Also worth mentioning, Marvel/Disney took over merchandising rights for Spidey, while Sony still retains movie rights. It's possible if things were re-negotiated there's some stipulations we're unaware of. Meaning, it's unlikely there's a clause to revert rights to Marvel, but they may have negotiated stuff we're not privy to. No one seems to like discussing rights issues.
 

noah111

Still Alive
I wonder how drastically changed the Ant-Man script is now then to what it was (with Pym, for example). There's a easter egg in Thor about Pym, but he must be in his 70s at that point based on the original script idea. I think an Ant-Man movie with Scott Lang as some young famous actor along with a young famous actress to play Wasp, would do the movie so many favors. No one is appealed by the title "Ant-Man". :lol

When a movie hasn't been released in North America and a lot of other countries, there is no need to be a dick and drop spoilers without warning from said movie, regardless of what the thread title says. The other 5 films are fair game.
But there was a warning... regardless, there's a banner now so whatever.
 
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