Goro Majima
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When you already have millions of dollars and a Superbowl win you start caring more about your legacy. Does he want to be associated with all this mess?
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When you already have millions of dollars and a Superbowl win you start caring more about your legacy. Does he want to be associated with all this mess?
sf2fanatic
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Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
Absolutely.
I think it's wishful thinking on your alls part TBH.
He and Payton have probably the best coach-player relationship in the league. He has a team built completely for him which still remains a superbowl contender. He has put roots down in New Orleans and even opened a number of businesses here.
Unless the FO refuses to make a meaningful compromise or he sustains a career ending injury, I see no way he isn't here for another 5+ years.
As a Rutgers alum who was there in the middle of Schiano's tenure, i.e the best part (~2006), and a huge football fanatic, I'm an absolute sucker for any story involving Eric LeGrand. I still won't watch the hit that paralyzed him and I only saw it on TV; I know a few who were there that day who just up and left after the hit because they couldn't stomach to watch football after that. Still have my Believe 52 shirt that I wear on occasion.
Love the move from Schiano here. It's simple, it's harmless, and it means the world and more to him and his family
goldlion054
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Spectral Glider
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I hear Washington is looking for some QB depth.
Lol are you serious?
I've been on this board for years.... Never been banned once and I can honestly say you are the first person to ever call me a troll. interesting that you came to that conclusion though.
Not sure how.
Edit: though that bold should read "Shame our organization didn't listen the first time rog told THEM to cut it out." Thank you iPhone.
How did the Pats literally cheat to win a Superbowl? The fact that you equate staff members in full Patriots colors watching a practice that is open to all sorts of people to a full on bounty program intending to hurt players because your organization needed the leagues best players out of the picture to do anything is ridiculous.
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About Seau, sad to see a player go but hopefully this will wake people the fuck up to get some reasonable changes to the game. Seau was a star and stars killing themselves is never good for the league. Keep pushing 18 games Goodell and cronies.
Buckethead
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I can chew ice like a champ.
Futurevoid
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Top 100 players....Hakeem Nicks #90? Too low based on his playoff run alone. Much less his season. Romo at 91 last week was a joke, too.
Don't ask me why I'm watching either. I'm bored with a baby on my lap!
Don't ask me why I'm watching either. I'm bored with a baby on my lap!
1.) You all cheated. Plain and simple
2.) the bounty program was illegal but there has been no evidence that any of those bounties resulted in illegal plays that actually took out an opposing player. Or that the bounties encouraged illegal hits......at least not that I've seen. The program was an example of a backhanded means to motivate players that is deemed against NFL rules by the league.
3.). Even if we accept the premise that both cheated in a manner that gave their teams an unfair advantage(there is no denying you all did that) the punishments you all received were minimal in comparison. Which I only pointed out to make the point that I think it suggests other influences probably played a role given how severe it is in comparison to certain past offenses.
Such a depressing day at work (work in the restaurant industry so I have to keep a fake smile, but today I couldn't).
I played the sport for 10 years at defensive end (and tight end occasionally) and was defensive lineman of the year, Pasadena Star News 1st Team Defense, etc. and am seriously starting to wonder if I suffered any concussions and whether I will have the same fate as Junior and so many other players. I've suffered from serious depression the last few years(5 years?). Not melancholy sad, but depressed to the point I can't get out of bed.
At the same time most of the best memories of my life were on the practice field, 2 a days and then finally gameday. There is no sport that matches the intensity and team effort of football. You'd have had to kill me to keep me off the field.
Where do we go from here? I've been vocal about the pussication of football and some stupid flags thrown. I think from a young age you should have to sign a waiver stating there is a possibility of depression, brain damage etc. later in life. If given the opportunity I would do it all over again.
/livejournal rant
I played the sport for 10 years at defensive end (and tight end occasionally) and was defensive lineman of the year, Pasadena Star News 1st Team Defense, etc. and am seriously starting to wonder if I suffered any concussions and whether I will have the same fate as Junior and so many other players. I've suffered from serious depression the last few years(5 years?). Not melancholy sad, but depressed to the point I can't get out of bed.
At the same time most of the best memories of my life were on the practice field, 2 a days and then finally gameday. There is no sport that matches the intensity and team effort of football. You'd have had to kill me to keep me off the field.
Where do we go from here? I've been vocal about the pussication of football and some stupid flags thrown. I think from a young age you should have to sign a waiver stating there is a possibility of depression, brain damage etc. later in life. If given the opportunity I would do it all over again.
/livejournal rant
LiquidMetal14
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Not exactly what I come on here to read. I swear, the humor has it's limits folks.
We all cheated. Ok, show where we literally cheated for a Super Bowl. I will wait. And the punishment was minimal? Bill got the biggest fine ever at the time? Did you want the league to suspend players because Bill sent some guys to watch a practice? I think that other poster was right, you are just a troll.
Alligatorjandro
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I spotted some new hairs on my chest today
I think they're trying to say maybe a human being is maybe more important than winning a game.
I think hitting people late with intent to injure them might be worse than watching another team practice
FrenchMovieTheme
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i love saints fans excuse that "there is no evidence that the bounties resulted in more injuries!"
so if i pay a guy to murder you, but he doesn't complete the job thus doesn't get paid, then there is no crime committed?
so if i pay a guy to murder you, but he doesn't complete the job thus doesn't get paid, then there is no crime committed?
Buckethead
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This broad is 8 years my senior but would t mind
I find it more funny that Saints fans equate this to a friendly little game of motivation between coach's and players like a little league coach buying a player a pizza if they hit a homerun.
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
Oh we love drama like this and part of it is wishful thinking.
I just don't think you can discredit that athletes consider legacy when making these types of decisions. When he opened up all those businesses and such, I don't think he was anticipating that the Saints were going to go through all of this.
I don't see how anyone can look at the Saints now and not see a tainted organization and Brees has to decide whether or not he wants his legacy to be a part of that. He also has to decide if he even wants to ride out this storm with Sean Payton being suspended for an entire year.
Another team can be built for Brees, it's not like the Saints have the monopoly on their style of offense.
I see what you're trying to say, but your analogy is invalid. There is a crime for attempted murder, whereas intent to injure through legal plays are an ethics issue.
In no way am I saying this isn't serious.
It most certainly is. Nor am I saying that punishments shouldn't be dealt. Nor am I really saying that the severity of the punishments are wrong.
I only take issue with the punishment in comparison to past offenses and people overstating what has been proven.....Suh having multiple offenses and getting 3 games. Patriots getting off easy. The non interest by the league in other stated cases like the giants players admitting that they targetted the injuries of san francisco players etc. even then it's more because of my suspicion that these offenses are being punished based on PR and the upcoming lawsuits.
It will be just as hard for Brees to want to stay as it was for Brady after spygate......meaning not very hard at all. I mean he's already made it very well known he wants to stay......he just wants a lot more money than our FO is willing to pay him. If he leaves it's because our FO became fuck ups, not because of a ethical dilemma that effected his conscience.
Yeah I had a reply typed up similar to this but decided it wasn't worth a third argument to get involved with.
Dutch Gronk
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Good to know.
You still don't understand do you? The Patriots should not be mentioned in relation to the Saints at all and the fact that you do is what shows you are missing the point. Having an organizational program which was run throughout the whole organization where the idea that going out on the field and injuring a player deliberately is rewarded with monetary gain is not the same a a few staff members watching a practice. The punishments are different because they are no where near the same. With Suh it is different because you can say his actions were not ordered and just heat of the moment type stuff. Even if there is no proof that injuries did not go up because of this, the fact that there is evidence of this motivational structure in place is all that matters.
EDIT: The Saints are not being punished for cheating. They are being punished for being scum and that is why the punishments are more severe. The Saints have hurt the integrity of the league far more than Bill has.
AngmarsKing701
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RIP to Seau. Steelers' fans appreciate great LBs.
Dutch Gronk
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I never really gave it much thought, but the Junior story made me think.
I was planning to start to play football again come september, I've already played for 2 years and I know it's not the NFL, but I still get hit, sometimes in the head. I love playing, it's the most fun sport I've ever played, but I'm not sure about it.
I know there is a difference between playing for 30 years and 3 years, but still.
No it's you that is failing to understand. Both teams committed actions that broke NFL rules and were detrimental to the integrity of the game.
YOUR violation gave your team a completely unfair advantage over opponents. it was literally cheating. Ours was an illegal motivation tool that unquestionably went to far in encouraging players to knock guys out of games.
Your actions were approved and used by your head coach and his punishment was a fraction of ours.
And once again. Im not necessarily saying that our punishments are undeserved, just that it is out of line compared to other comparable offenses. I seem to be completely fine admitting my teams wrong doing - only questioning if other influences increased the severity - while you seem to want to completely downplay how bad what your team actually did.
No I understand. You mentioned we literally cheated to win a Super Bowl. Which one is that? Do you understand that the whole Super Bowl cheating thing is centered on a few Patriot staff members showing up to a Rams walkthrough that was in the stadium the Super Bowl was being held in and was full of stadium staff members working to get the stadium ready for the Super Bowl? That is not cheating and there was no punishment given for that. Show me where we literally cheated away a Super Bowl and I will stop. You are downplaying this offense and making a far bigger deal out of Spygate. Like I said earlier, the Patriots were accused of cheating, the Saints are accused of being garbage. Differences. I agree the Saints didn't cheat but they are still fucking scum.
Sent some guys to watch a practice? Really? Are you delusional or re-writing history?
What else happened with our first Super Bowl win? The accusation was filming of the Rams walkthrough. That never happened. The whistleblower admitted that.
Dutch Gronk
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The only question is are the depressive episodes football related or not, I've had my darker times in life (Don't know if it was depression or anything), but I have family members who had serious depressions, so there of course are more factors.
The one thing that is certain is that there needs to be more info on how football affects your health and future, Seau his passing will probably help that.
Alligatorjandro
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The Patriots were punished and are now clean.
Let's not forget here that dozens of players have said that bounty programs are nothing new.
What the saints did is fairly dispicaple but not isolated......they just were stupid enough to get caught.
And coaches have said that the Pats did nothing wrong and that everyone did it too so stop using that as a defense.
Dutch Gronk
Banned
To be fair, same goes for the whole filming other teams. Other coaches admitted to doing the same, Pats were just stupid enough to get caught (Snitched on whatevs).
Videotaped the sideline to steal signals. Cheating. And I don't want to hear a bunch of nonsense about how there's no proof, Brees!
cuevas. PhD.
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The saints didn't get punished because of the bounty program, they got punished because the league told all the teams to end the bounties and the saints didn't.
Dutch Gronk
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And constantly lying about it didn't help either.
They're still lying about it. Everyone who got punished better never get in any more trouble or Goodell is going to skull fuck them. I'm looking at you, Sean 'Pill Popper' Payton!
FrenchMovieTheme
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Lions playoff wins in the 10 years prior to stafford being drafted: 0
Lions playoff wins after stafford was drafted: 0
Lions playoff wins when stafford plays some games in a season: 0
Lions playoff wins when stafford plays all games: 0
Lions playoff wins when stafford has over 5000 yards passing: 0
Lions playoff wins when stafford has 40+ TD passes in a season: 0
Lions playoff wins when stafford has a 90+ qb rating for the season: 0
Alligatorjandro
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BannedEpisode
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I just wonder how saints fans would feel if Jared Allen smacked Brees around during the championship game and broke his ankle on a late hit. And afterwards the Vikings go on to win the Super Bowl after a narrow victory. Then a couple years later they find out that the Vikings were playing with the intention to hurt or remove players from the game.
I'll give a hint, it would probably piss them off. They can say thats not true but that's some grade a bullshit. I'm not even a guy who thinks the bounties had a significant outcome in that game (for further reading consult turnovers), but it leaves a legit shit taste in my mouth.
I'll give a hint, it would probably piss them off. They can say thats not true but that's some grade a bullshit. I'm not even a guy who thinks the bounties had a significant outcome in that game (for further reading consult turnovers), but it leaves a legit shit taste in my mouth.
It should have been the Packers vs. The Favres anyway.
FrenchMovieTheme
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actually not. the nfl said it is illegal. the nfl told the saints in 2010 to stop and they didn't.
Buckethead
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C'mon Rangers