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Nensyu Labo: The average Square Enix Japan salary is $275,000 a year
- Thread starter Lavalamp1138
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Yeah, this is what I wondered. After executives and and managers are out of the equation, I wonder what the average is per employee.
badcrumble
Member
And if there are way too many managers and not nearly enough programmers, artists, and game designers, that would explain pretty much everything about Square-Enix.
Anonymous Tipster
Member
What's the average Japanese salary for programming positions?
Translated to USD without any context makes those seem pretty exceptional.
Translated to USD without any context makes those seem pretty exceptional.
Offices must be full of designer zippers. They have to zip their way to through the halls.
RomanticHeroX
Member
Highest paid in the industry and yet they still can't manage to keep their talent.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
I'd be more interested in the median salary.
GREE pays more :0
Beelzeboss
Member
People working on Versus 13 must be happy.
sit around all day and do nothing and get paid.
sit around all day and do nothing and get paid.
I don't know what his potential pay in the US has to do in comparison to Japanese only companies/jobs.
It discredits this ridiculous survey.
cj_iwakura
Member
Yeah, because graphics like that are so easy to produce.
Square aren't very prolific at all, but you can't say their games don't require a hell of a lot of work to make.
I worked for Square Enix Tokyo for 10 years and this is news to me, I must have been doing it wrong.
FateBreaker
Member
Interesting.
Boss Man
Member
Which game did you work on?
You do realize that Japan and the United States are different places, right?
I mean I don't know how much geography they teach in schools these days.
'Cause they can afford it, lucky slobs.
Boss Man
Member
I met a girl in high school who imagined the landmass of the United States as being home to such places as 'Canada' and 'Europe'. She thought that those places were just somewhere in the one landmass that she had become familiar with seeing.
Hint, not many systems programmers in the US make $275k a year. And that's being conservative and estimating that they make around the company average at S-E when in fact they're probably much higher up.
You can feign ignorance all you want to make this bum survey fit your preconceptions/warped perspective but at some point you start isolating yourself from reality.
Entry salary ranges from $32676-$39768 per year (rough estimate) based on your degree, according to their JP recruitment site. Figure in OP converts to about $273014. There's obviously other benefits, but for a company that boasts an employee total of 3242 (as of 3/2012, for SE Global Holdings though), the guys at the top have to be earning some heavy duty numbers to make an average of that amount.
Or else most everyone is actually close to the average. Which is unlikely.
Or else most everyone is actually close to the average. Which is unlikely.
Boss Man
Member
I imagine that they might just have a few super rich higher ups, because I can't believe most people in the company are making around $275,000 a year.
Executive compensation in Japan is dramatically lower than in the US. According to Wikipedia, Yoichi Wada's 2010 salary was just 240 million yen (~$3 million). With several thousand employees it wouldn't skew the average this much.
The point here obviously being that this survey is wildly and hilariously inaccurate.
AgentChris
Member
Nomura-san making that $$$.
I don't have any preconceptions about the salary level at Square Enix.
I'm just saying that an American talking about how much he makes at his job at the American division of a Japanese company in America doesn't prove or disprove anything about how much a Japanese company pays its Japanese employees in Japan.
I'm not sure how that constitutes a "warped perspective."
I was just pointing out that someone who worked there didn't make anywhere near what they're talking about in this article. Maybe the guys at the very top are making that money, but I can guarantee that the average worker there isn't.
*EDIT:* I live and work in Japan. I understand the system very well.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Just think! All you needed to do is make some very decent, small, supervised contributions to older games, and know the right people. Then you'd eventually get paid a decent amount to write the equivalent of a 12 year old's attempt at a fanfic.
Jobs are tough.
It's anecdotal. It doesn't prove or disprove anything. But it's one reason to be skeptical that something is fishy with these numbers. Highly skilled jobs like low-level programming are globally competitive and going to be among the highest paid in any software company. Assuming that SE's executives aren't dramatically altering the average, which they aren't because they aren't paid like American executives, it would be a safe assumption that programmers make more than the average, and they're not going to make more than that average anywhere in the world.
Why would anyone ever believe this in the first place, let alone defend it? It completely betrays reason.
Giving a salary average is a ridiculous idea when it is so easy for a few mega earners to completely distort the average.
Do S-E actually pay more on average or is it just a few high earners who distort the figure? Assuming, of course, that the figures are even correct, which the article itself suggests they may not be.
Do S-E actually pay more on average or is it just a few high earners who distort the figure? Assuming, of course, that the figures are even correct, which the article itself suggests they may not be.
gundamkyoukai
Member
huge jump from 1 to number 2 place.
Or at least the standard deviation, which I would imagine is huge.
cosmicblizzard
Banned
Isn't that salary ridiculously high for a Japanese CEO? Aren't they supposed to be closer to the workers further down the chain?
Also, doesn't Bobby Kottick only get like 1.5 mil a year or something?