Forsaken82
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You should probarly spoiler tag your quote, since it contain quite a bit of stuff that are important to the tv-show watchers.
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You should probarly spoiler tag your quote, since it contain quite a bit of stuff that are important to the tv-show watchers.
SoS major spoilersYgritte dies before the main battle at the wall. She's part of the Magnar of Thenn's party that tries to take Castle Black from the south and open the gate for Mance shortly after Jon arrives back at the Wall. She dies when Jon and the Watch defeat them and foil that plan. Only after that does the real battle begin with Mance trying to take the gate by force from the North with pure numbers and giants and mammoths and whatnot.
If Ygritte needs to die before the end of season 3 they'll either need to change the circumstances (having Ygritte die in the scuffle with Jon and Summer could maybe work?) or basically have Jon's plot in season 4 be nothing but the battle and his subsequent election as LC, which would require stretching that battle over a lot of episodes while still keeping it interesting.
Ahh ok so i was confusing the two battles, but this simply brings up what I was talking about before... again, there just isn't a whole lot compelling without really dragging things out and as such other stuff will just get lost in the shuffle.
You can easily move some of Jon's Dance chapters up if you wanted to spend less time on the battle.
Huh?
Jon's Season 4 story could have...
- The major battle of the wall and all the stuff that goes with it
- Jon's parlay with Mance and Stannis' surprise arrival
- All of the politics involving the election of Lord Commander with Jon winning
And if you wanted to, you can move up some big stuff from early Dance
- Jon beheading Janos Slynt
- Jon letting the wildlings through the Wall
All that is plenty of stuff to fill out across 8-9 episodes (Remember, most arcs typically get 1-2 weeks off.)
Good storytelling is not simply a collection of action on-screen, and the show needs to organically get to those moments without leaving non-book fans scratching their heads. So you need downtime and periods of setup. Ebb and flow, peaks and valleys, calms and storms. If they just keep rushing through the major cliff notes of each book fan's ideal moments then we'll be left with a very shallow show. They have kind of done this a little in season 2 and it showed through for people who aren't sensationally consuming the water-cooler events.What is the benefit to rushing all these 'key' events?
I for one hopeJoffrey's wedding lasts longer than just 2-3 scenes on the show. There's a great deal of setup and seeding that still needs to happen for that event, and I think seeing Tyrion suffer wave after wave of humiliation during the feast would be important for what comes later... when it all gets turned on its collective head.
And I know they haven't concluded casting announcements yet but it seems like it would be necessary for them to castPenny if they were going ahead with Joffrey's wedding this season. She's a pretty important character for Tyrion later on, as it would seem. So unless they do cast her, then that's halfway decent (albeit not critical) evidence to support they're saving Joff's big day for season 4.
They're not going to cast Penny just for that one scene. It makes zero sense budget wise. They will introduce her when she is needed for the actual story, which wont be till S5 or later. Same reason they didnt cast Aeron in S2 for the 1-2 unneeded scenes he was in in CoK.
As for the other stuff. Good storytelling is starting arcs and finishing them, not going 80% of the way and letting them sit for 10 months till the following season. If the Joffrey/Marg wedding is a story arc at all next season, it will finish next season. They wont play it up, then postpone the climax till S4. That's just shitty writing all the way around.
Really? Wow. In terms of HBO shows I've only fully watched Curb Your Enthusiasm, The Larry Sanders Show, The Sopranos, and Deadwood, but GoT seems pretty much up to par with these and other great shows in general. I'm already liking it more than The Sopranos after 14 eps. Can't decide if it's up to Deadwood's level yet, though.
People have their opinions.
It boggles the mind that anyone could think GoT is as good as any of the other HBO shows you mention in your post. The disparity in quality is massive.
I really hope them splitting Storm into 2 season will allow some more character development, etc. from the books.
I didn't care for GOT S2 a whole lot. Too much stuff cut out.
Didn't give the scenes time to breath.
I know. Opinions and shit.
I'm trying to think of a dead souls post that I've seen that is in any way positive. They don't exist.
I really hope them splitting Storm into 2 season will allow some more character development, etc. from the books.
I didn't care for GOT S2 a whole lot. Too much stuff cut out.
Didn't give the scenes time to breath.
It is 2 seasons.
I know.
and off topic your avatar, "uunnhhhhh!" I just want the two of them in a buddy cop show. Make it happen someone.
Would've been better if Richard Madden was wearing that shirt. :lol
I just finished reading A Clash of Kings, and we are about 5 episodes into Season 2.
What is it that readers disliked so much about S2? I'm kind of enjoying how they streamlined things - we really didn't need Dany wandering the desert for so long, really didn't need several chapters of the Arya and the kids wandering the forests after Yoren dies.
I'm trying to think of a dead souls post that I've seen that is in any way positive. They don't exist.
Yawn. Try reading the threads on Treme, Enlightened, The Borgias, Homeland, Shameless, Curb, or any other number of actually good shows and you'll see that you are wildly mistaken.
It's not my fault that this show is mediocre at best.
really didn't need several chapters of the Arya and the kids wandering the forests after Yoren dies.
Okay we just have a difference of opinion on how the book content should be adapted. And by the logic you put forth,they already started the Margery/Joffrey story arc in the final episode last season. So.... shouldn't they have finished it?
But you still haven't said why you're so in favor of rushing through every major event. What's the point (other than to see all your favorite book moments)? The show doesn't benefit either way because 1) it uses up all its really sensational material very quickly and 2) sacrifices a more natural, even-keeled pacing. You need periods of world building, exposition, characters' reactions, etc... This goes for the audience, too.Regardless, at this point in the show's life, no major audience drops are going to happen from one-week to the next unless they do something horribly off production-wise.You can't expect any one to absorb the major events of ASOS if you put them back-to-back-to-back like you proposed. It's kinda crazy. I don't even know why you think all those things count as one single arc, either (if that's what you're suggesting). It's multiple arcs built up over two, and even three continuous books.
Despite all my typing, I actually think the showrunners are more in your mindset and I feel strongly it's a mistake.Not that I think very negatively of the show at all, but they'll probably continue this trend since they have gotten nothing but positive reinforcement all around.I hate how they nipped and rushed through parts of Jon's story beats only to seem them then shove some early storm of swords stuff into the last episode. I really didn't see the need to do that since ASOS is a complete enough book on it's own, AND since they shortchanged/hurried some things early on.
Okay we just have a difference of opinion on how the book content should be adapted. And by the logic you put forth,they already started the Margery/Joffrey story arc in the final episode last season. So.... shouldn't they have finished it?
But you still haven't said why you're so in favor of rushing through every major event. What's the point (other than to see all your favorite book moments)? .
That's a terrible ridiculous analogy. A better example of what I'm talking about would have been if the writers decided to delay Ned's beheading to S2, or delay the conclusion of Blackwater to S3. You don't start big seasonal story arcs like that and then push them to the next season.
Because they wouldn't be rushing through every big moment. I've already posted a bunch of big moments that could and likely will be in S4. I'm not going to post them for like a 5th time cause you're too lazy to read them. I also think you have a poor memory of SoS. The first half of SoS was pretty slow, and most of the major stuff happened in the back half of that book.
just make sure you keep watching it though
My personally, I'd hope they'd leave [ASOS]till the end of season 4Lady Stoneheart reveal
I've read all your posts and all I've seen in them is a listing out and expediting a bunch of ordered events. That's not necessarily better. My takeaway from that is this:your idea of ideal pacing for the show is just having the the big banner moments roll out and occupy a single episode one after another, then plug the major hole that leaves in season 4 with moved up AFFC/ADWD content. I, personally, feel that's MUCH too fast when 1) ASOS is a unanimously praised book and 2) has plenty of content to deal with on it's own. There's no reason to just blaze through it like a fireball. Not to mention the stuff from ACOK that Iksenpets pointed out they will probably cover.
You seem to think this a great example of pacing and I couldn't see more to disagree with. It's pretty obvious that even though time is somewhat ambiguous in the show, based on how events have played out and how events unfold in the book, there is some downtime between these events. Your idea of how much time should transpire between episodes is set on some sort of turbo-speed and my hope is that they go more leisurely than that in the show.Gattling-gunning through Red Wedding, Joffrey Wedding, battle at the Wall, and the Zombie Cat reveal in episodes that immediately follow one another isn't something you've done a good job of defending.
This is assuming they follow the book events very closely, of course. And we know they won't do that... not to a "T", anyway.
ASOSNot sure they'd want to let go of the actress for so long, the way they kept Jaime around last year. Plus I think it's easier to be seen as playing fair with the audience if the reveal comes before the break.
ASOSNot sure they'd want to let go of the actress for so long, the way they kept Jaime around last year. Plus I think it's easier to be seen as playing fair with the audience if the reveal comes before the break.
That's too bad."I was offered something on 'Game of Thrones' and unfortunately, I hadn't seen it, but my nephew and his father said, 'Gosh, "Game of Thrones" is the only great show on!' And I felt terrible, because I'd just turned them down," West said.
So what part was West offered? He hasn't read the books, so the name didn't stick in his head. But he did say that taking the role -- a substantial one, from the sounds of it -- would have involved being "in Reykjavik for six months."
So was it King Beyond the Wall Mance Rayder, which seems like the most likely possibility to me (and the only substantial Season 3 role that hasn't been cast)? Was it a member of the Night's Watch north of the Wall? One of Mance's men? Alas, West couldn't recall the name of the character, so we're left to speculate. (I've asked HBO if they know which role West was offered, and I'll update this post if I get more information.)
In any event, "it was a lovely part, a good part. I'm going to regret it," he said with a rueful laugh. "My problem is, I've got four kids, and at the moment, I'm reluctant to be away from home for a long time. I can get a lot of work in London and still be at home. That's one of the many brilliant things about 'The Hour.'"
"Should I have taken it?" he asked, semi-seriously. As much as I would have loved to see Baltimore's most famous fictional cop on another fine HBO program, I can certainly respect West's devotion to his family obligations. Besides, the Iceland scenes look amazing on the show, but the actors in those scenes also look very, very cold.
Is it ever revealed who hired the assassin to kill Bran? I'm reading the first Jaime chapter of ASOS and it seems to absolve both Jaime and Cersei. But they're really the only people who would have had a motive.
Is it ever revealed who hired the assassin to kill Bran? I'm reading the first Jaime chapter of ASOS and it seems to absolve both Jaime and Cersei. But they're really the only people who would have had a motive.
Is it ever revealed who hired the assassin to kill Bran? I'm reading the first Jaime chapter of ASOS and it seems to absolve both Jaime and Cersei. But they're really the only people who would have had a motive.
He and a bunch of other characters were announced a little while ago.Has this been mentioned here yet? IMDB is listing http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1032473/for season 3as Jojen Reed