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[StuBurns]

That's simply a resolution constraint, not one of the inherent technology. Who uses multitouch for their signature?

No one. No one would choose to use capacitive either I'm sure.

Maybe it is a resolution issue, certainly drawing pads are far far better, but I doubt the WiiU's 'pad' will be any better. Fortunately, I don't think it's going to really be a big part of the game design outside of a few first party titles.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

No one. No one would choose to use capacitive either I'm sure.

Maybe it is a resolution issue, certainly drawing pads are far far better, but I doubt the WiiU's 'pad' will be any better. Fortunately, I don't think it's going to really be a big part of the game design outside of a few first party titles.

Well it a combination of resolution and physical dimension. The U pad it a pretty big increase over both DS and 3DS in that.

I don't expect much touchscreen use in 3rd party retail games, at least beyond simple menu selection/navigation, but I suspect there will be for eShop fare.

There are inherent advantages to resistive in accuracy and precision (thanks both to the stylus and pressure sensitivity), not to mention durability and cost issues, but I would say I think Nintendo should've gone capacitive anyway. It's just more familiar to consumers at this point and in my mind it works more naturally with the pad setup, since you'll want hands on the buttons/sticks/triggers it makes more sense to push quick finger use over awkward stylus use. Honestly, I think they should've done same with 3DS too, given it's focus has also squarely been on "traditional" button/stick gaming with touchscreen reserved mainly for subscreen use.

 

[Corky]

Did someone say wii-udraw?!

 

[StuBurns]

The 3DS had to have the same technology for backwards compatibility I imagine, even if they considered otherwise.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

The 3DS had to have the same technology for backwards compatibility I imagine, even if they considered otherwise.

That is true. Thinking on it more, the accuracy and precision a stylus brings is more important on a smaller physical screen too. Something like Kirby Canvas Curse would be virtually unplayable on my iPhone, but I think it would work okay on my iPad.

So maybe 3DS was right in going resistive, but I still feel Wii U should have switched to capacitive.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

Did someone say wii-udraw?!

Barf.

I think you meant Colors U or Art University.

 

[Perkel]

It depends if people will see it as something amazing. If not then nintendo is doomed if yes then they will be rich again.

 

[Daydream Sequence]

It depends if people will see it as something amazing. If not then nintendo is doomed if yes then they will be rich again.

Pre-iPad, maybe people would have been impressed. Now? No way. Single touch, resistive, low res. Not that impressive.

 

[Sojgat]

He could be right, stranger things have happened, the success of the Wii for example.

 

[GotEmRunnin]

Millions of people bought a PS2 for the DVD player alone. It helped seal the deal. I believe the tablet is such a new killer feature.

I think this as well. The middle/low class consumer can easily see the tablet as a cheap ipad/android tablet....plus they can keep their wiimotes. Kids can play games while mom watches netflix on the pad. If Nintendo markets this thing like I think they will it'll be a huge system seller this holiday.

Plus those of us itching for new hardware will be buying em day 1 as well.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Did this thread just devolve into resistive is crap?

 

[Gaborn]

I think Ubisoft is right on this one. I think in retrospect the Wiimote was a brilliant idea, but too often developers, instead of using it as a new concept (like boomblox or World of Goo that would not be possible or at least enjoyable on a traditional controller) developers saw it as a new way to perform the same action. That is, it COULD be used in ways to create new games and new types of games, but fundamentally developers were willing to take the lazy way out with the Wii far too often.

I think the Wii U might get some of that, but I also think the very nature of having a powerful second screen LENDS itself to new ideas and fundamental differences in playing. I think that the fact that multiplayer will NOT have more than 2 screens (except maybe online multiplayer) is also a major benefit in that sense because it forces asynchronous game play concepts on developers. That makes Devs have to think more about how users are interacting with each other and helps create a better, more unique, and more integrated experience than I think the Wii was ultimately able to accomplish.

 

[KageMaru]

I think you are good at seeing what makes it limited compared to a traditional tablet, but bad at envisioning what makes it special and desirable compared to any other tablet.

No, I just realize that the Wii-U pad can't be compared to a tablet because it's not even a tablet in the first place. You're comparing two things that should not be compared. If you try to force a comparison, a traditional tablet will win in most of the ways people use them.

I see some great things coming out of the system because of it's controller, but I don't see it earning the same level of attention because of it. I don't see much appeal to people who already own an Ipad. We'll have to wait and see how well it does in the market, but I think you're reading too much into a comment from a company that would benefit from strong Wii-U sales since it's one of the biggest supporters.

 

[Sid]

Completely disagree,motion controls in a console as the primary interface was revolutionary when the wii was shown/launched and there was a ton of buzz around it whereas a controller with a screen which may or may not be used effectively in games is nowhere near as revolutionary,i don't see the wii-u lifetime sales reaching anywhere close to the wii if the 3rd party support is just as horrendous as the past few nintendo consoles

 

[Boss Doggie]

No, I just realize that the Wii-U pad can't be compared to a tablet because it's not even a tablet in the first place. You're comparing two things that should not be compared. If you try to force a comparison, a traditional tablet will win in most of the ways people use them.

I see some great things coming out of the system because of it's controller, but I don't see it earning the same level of attention because of it. I don't see much appeal to people who already own an Ipad. We'll have to wait and see how well it does in the market, but I think you're reading too much into a comment from a company that would benefit from strong Wii-U sales since it's one of the biggest supporters.

Honestly, people are not seeing it more as a bigger DS than a tablet.

 

[marc^o^]

No, I just realize that the Wii-U pad can't be compared to a tablet because it's not even a tablet in the first place. You're comparing two things that should not be compared. If you try to force a comparison, a traditional tablet will win in most of the ways people use them.

I see some great things coming out of the system because of it's controller, but I don't see it earning the same level of attention because of it. I don't see much appeal to people who already own an Ipad. We'll have to wait and see how well it does in the market, but I think you're reading too much into a comment from a company that would benefit from strong Wii-U sales since it's one of the biggest supporters.

So according to you it's not a tablet, despite it having a touchscreen and apps running on it, and it won't be appealing to iPad owners, despite this crowd being the best one to realize what's incremental about the GamePad possibilities. I think you are wrong on both accounts.

 

[Boss Doggie]

So according to you it's not a tablet, despite it having a touchscreen and apps running on it, and it won't be appealing to iPad owners, despite this crowd being the best one to realize what's incremental about the GamePad possibilities. I think you are wrong on both accounts.

Would you consider the DS and a 3DS tablets then?

 

[Aostia]

Ubi in love with Wii U

that said, I think that gamepad has the potential to be way more adaptable compared to the wii u, and way more interesting for a large variety of genres, being more accepted by gamers.

but it will be weaker than the remote for the masses, and it will be more complex to be marketed and communicated

I think that the Wii U will sell way less than the Wii (but it could offer more interesting librar for gamers, leaving a less painful memory into gaffers segment)

 

[KageMaru]

Honestly, people are not seeing it more as a bigger DS than a tablet.

I'm sorry I don't quite understand your point. Are you agreeing or disagreeing with my points?

Also I see the Wii-U as more than a bigger DS. =p

So according to you it's not a tablet, despite it having a touchscreen and apps running on it, and it won't be appealing to iPad owners, despite this crowd being the best one to realize what's incremental about the GamePad possibilities. I think you are wrong on both accounts, and this has little to do with me being supportive of the concept.

What apps are running on the controller?

Also I wonder what you think is the main appeal of a tablet?

I think your perception has everything to do with you being more than supportive of the concept. I support the concept, but I still don't think the Wii-U pad should be compared to a traditional tablet.

 

[Dragon]

So according to you it's not a tablet, despite it having a touchscreen and apps running on it, and it won't be appealing to iPad owners, despite this crowd being the best one to realize what's incremental about the GamePad possibilities. I think you are wrong on both accounts.

The iPad is a better tablet than the WiiU Tablet will ever be.

It will have more apps, more support, more games, more ways to connect other people and it will have a crapload more developers developing for it than the small selection of apps on the WiiU.

The other thing? The WiiU is not a portable device at all which significantly limits its use outside of the home to basically nothing.

I don't even like the iPad all that much but c'mon there is nothing about the WiiU Tablet that screams "I must have this thing!" Everyone has access to tablets these days.

 

[Aostia]

Gamepad IS NOT a tablet.
But it can be perceived (following Ubi sentence) as a familiar interface to play with from a lot of people, also into the mass casual market.

 

[omonimo]

Funny. Wiimote go beyond standard controller so why has been abandoned? Now touch screen is a revolutionary experience. Which will be the next?

 

[Pie and Beans]

So according to you it's not a tablet, despite it having a touchscreen and apps running on it, and it won't be appealing to iPad owners, despite this crowd being the best one to realize what's incremental about the GamePad possibilities. I think you are wrong on both accounts.

Okay, I'm going to do you a service right now. I'm going to de-program you from whatever crazy you've managed to convince yourself of after the WiiU's E3 showing.

The WiiU gamepad, is, by the very definition of the term, not a tablet:

Tablet computer
A tablet computer, or a tablet, is a mobile computer,

or

A general-purpose computer contained in a single panel.

Not only is it not a tablet because it merely stream computational data from another device, and can only do so across so many rooms and not outside, but even if in a world where we get to make up the definitions of words to fit crazy agenda, the WiiU pad wouldnt even be the entry level cheapest route into this market for any family.

There are countless budget tablet devices out there, from $60 to $80, with webcams in, running on Android 2.3, out now. Second hand market wise, theres two iterations of iPads now at cut prices, and theres even some market convergence going on with stuff like the Galaxy Note phone being a "phablet". All of these devices with multi-touch. Some now even with styluses, and Wacom digitiser ones at that!

Theres no way to spin this as Nintendo entering the tablet market. That is an intellectual dead end. You can go the living room/bedroom streaming device route of persuasion, but the WiiU pad is in no way a tablet and Nintendo would never advertise it as such so as to not create a fucking PR meltdown the second someone walks out of there house with the thing and the screen goes black.

I am doing this de-programming service for free, because I am a concerned citizen that is worried if you can convince yourself the WiiU pad is a 'tablet', it feels like youre months, maybe days away from thinking you have powers of invisibility.

And I just don't want to see that.

 

[2MF]

No. Nintendo is doomed and will be producing iOS games for $1.99 within a year. Didn't they listen to pachter?

But they'll sell the iOS games for $70 in order to look premium.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Ubisoft says nice thing about Wii U = SHOCKING!

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

It all comes down to software. The novelty factor wasn't the reason Wii went strong for 4 years, while Kinect fizzled after 1 and Move bombed completely, software was. People place way too much significance on the Wiimote itself, and not enough on Wii Sports/Wii Fit/Mario Kart/NSMB/etc.

Now Wii U having the sort of software to drive similar mainstream sales is a very open question I think, but ultimately software will decide where it ends up. Touch or waggle controls are simply a means to an end.

 

[Phonomezer]

I dunno. Considering the large investment Ubisoft is pumping into the Wii U, they WOULD say such things, wouldn't they.

 

[Kacho]

The WiiU gamepad, is, by the very definition of the term, not a tablet:

Yes, listen to this guy. It's a controller with a touch screen. Not a tablet.

 

[Boss Doggie]

I'm sorry I don't quite understand your point. Are you agreeing or disagreeing with my points?

Also I see the Wii-U as more than a bigger DS. =p

We share the same idea that it's not a tablet

And of course Wii-U is more than just a bigger DS, I'm just making a quick comparison regarding the Gamepad, that it's more DS/3DS than it is a tablet.

 

[daviyoung]

Glad we got this tablet thing cleared up.

 

[omonimo]

I don't think touch screen is the main reason of the success of the tablet & the iphone. It's a combination of portable/easy interface. Honestly I have some doubt how works this thing on an home console. At this point would been better to nintendo a real tablet-console not this weird hybrid.

 

[marc^o^]

What apps are running on the controller?

I answered this already in this very thread: games, a web browser, youtube, instant messaging, video chat, panorama view, etc.

If the Kindle can be called a tablet, the GamePad can certainly too. I guess this is why everybody refers to it as... a tablet. Except a few ones apparently who have something about some company.

 

[KageMaru]

Okay, I'm going to do you a service right now. I'm going to de-program you from whatever crazy you've managed to convince yourself of after the WiiU's E3 showing.

The WiiU gamepad, is, by the very definition of the term, not a tablet:

Hahaha, awesome post and the exact point I was going to make if he ever answered my question about which apps are running on the controller.

We share the same idea that it's not a tablet

And of course Wii-U is more than just a bigger DS, I'm just making a quick comparison regarding the Gamepad, that it's more DS/3DS than it is a tablet.

I see and agree. =)

Edit:

I answered this already in this very thread: games, a web browser, youtube, instant messaging, video chat, panorama view, etc.

If the Kindle can be called a tablet, the GamePad can certainly too. I guess this is why everybody refers to it as... a tablet. Except a few ones apparently who have something about some company.

Incorrect. These apps run on the console and are streamed to the controller. It is not a tablet for this reason alone. If this were the case, I guess we can consider the DC controller a tablet too since data was sent to the VMU from the console?

Read Pie and Beans' post above and maybe then you'll see how your perception is rather off.

 

[ZoddGutts]

I think this as well. The middle/low class consumer can easily see the tablet as a cheap ipad/android tablet....plus they can keep their wiimotes. Kids can play games while mom watches netflix on the pad. If Nintendo markets this thing like I think they will it'll be a huge system seller this holiday.

Plus those of us itching for new hardware will be buying em day 1 as well.

There already is a decent and cheap android tablet called Kindle Fire and a great/cheap Tablet called Nexus 7, both huge sellers. Then there's apple's suppose Apple Mini coming out later this year.

 

[test_account]

Seems like he (the Ubisoft guy) is talking about creativity rather than sales, since touch screen is so common now, it is easier to come up with ideas compared to motion controls (which was pretty much a whole new thing at its time). I hope that all consoles succeed greatly in the next generation.

 

[StoppedInTracks]

Millions of people bought a PS2 for the DVD player alone. It helped seal the deal. I believe the tablet is such a new killer feature.

What you wrote makes NO SENSE at all.

It is not a killer feature but it is a feature that is so very common in the iPhone+iPad world that NOT having it would be fatal.

 

[Vinci]

I answered this already in this very thread: games, a web browser, youtube, instant messaging, video chat, panorama view, etc.

If the Kindle can be called a tablet, the GamePad can certainly too. I guess this is why everybody refers to it as... a tablet.

People call Britney Spears a singer but that's just because 'whore' is rude in polite discourse.

 

[daviyoung]

I answered this already in this very thread: games, a web browser, youtube, instant messaging, video chat, panorama view, etc.

If the Kindle can be called a tablet, the GamePad can certainly too. I guess this is why everybody refers to it as... a tablet. Except a few ones apparently who have something about some company.

The WiiU Pad has internal memory?

 

[test_account]

I answered this already in this very thread: games, a web browser, youtube, instant messaging, video chat, panorama view, etc.

If the Kindle can be called a tablet, the GamePad can certainly too. I guess this is why everybody refers to it as... a tablet. Except a few ones apparently who have something about some company.

The WiiU controller can do everything that a table can (at least in theory, depends much on the software support it gets). The big difference that people have pointed out is that the WiiU controller is not a portable device like a tablet. The WiiU controller is basically a controller with a screen that gets the data streamed from an external box (the WiiU console). Also, it is not sure that you can use the WiiU controller outside the same room as the WiiU console is in. For people who use it inside their house and in the same room anyway, it shouldnt be a problem, but it isnt portable. Kindle is portable.

 

[marc^o^]

The WiiU Pad has internal memory?

Does it need internal memory to work,or does it rely on streaming? It's a family tablet, supporting 12 different accounts, it's meant for the living room. It's as different as an iPad as a Kindle can be.

 

[JosephManderley]

I live with my girlfriend and we only have 1 TV. Being able to play on the controller is the killer feature for me.

 

[KageMaru]

Does it need internal memory to work,or does it rely on streaming? It's a family tablet, supporting 12 different accounts, it's meant for the living room. It's as different as an iPad as a Kindle can be.

Are you purposely ignoring the logical posts above or are you that disconnected from the reality of what a tablet really is?

The tablet isn't doing anything you describe, it's the console that's doing it all and streaming that data to the controller.

 

[daviyoung]

Does it need internal memory to work,or does it rely on streaming? It's a family tablet, supporting 12 different accounts, it's meant for the living room. It's as different as an iPad as a Kindle can be.

As has been addressed, it's not portable as it doesn't store anything on the device. What happens when it's taken out of range of the console? The apps stop working. It's not comparable to a Kindle, it's just a wireless controller with a screen.

 

[marc^o^]

Are you purposely ignoring the logical posts above or are you that disconnected from the reality of what a tablet really is?

The tablet isn't doing anything you describe, it's the console that's doing it all and streaming that data to the controller.

Does it make any difference? Everybody call it a tablet because of its form factor and because of the purpose it fullfills inside the house. Can't you get behind this logic?

 

[Pie and Beans]

Wow, even just used the word logic. We're all about using words that don't mean what you think they mean today.

Guys don't even bother, at this point you may as well be trying to deprogram a cult member through forum posts. Marc^o^ has managed to convince himself its a tablet so thoroughly its kinda scary, even though as soon as you step out the front door with it in hand, it stops being that, as if by magic, as if...somehow, it never was in the first place.

 

[daviyoung]

Does it make any difference? Everybody call it a tablet because of its form factor and because of the purpose it fullfills inside the house. Can't you get behind this logic?

You can't just go making up your own words and definitions and not expect a backlash from other people. Most of us know that tablet is synonymous with tablet computer. Not headache tablet, or stone tablet, or Scottish fudge tablet.

 

[marc^o^]

Wow, even just used the word logic. We're all about using words that don't mean what you think they mean today.

Guys don't even bother, at this point you may as well be trying to deprogram a cult member through forum posts. Marc^o^ has managed to convince himself its a tablet, even though as soon as you step out the front door with it in hand, it stops being that, as if by magic, as if...somehow, it never was in the first place.

Are you going to get shocked everytime you will see GamePad being called a tablet? Because it happens in every thread and any interview about Wii U.

 

[KageMaru]

Does it make any difference? Everybody call it a tablet because of its form factor and because of the purpose it fullfills inside the house. Can't you get behind this logic?

Yes it does matter because when you apply real "logic" you can't just bend the definition to fit your view or agenda.

If you actually applied logic to your posts, then maybe I can agree with you. However I don't see any of that happening here.

Wow, even just used the word logic. We're all about using words that don't mean what you think they mean today.

Guys don't even bother, at this point you may as well be trying to deprogram a cult member through forum posts. Marc^o^ has managed to convince himself its a tablet so thoroughly its kinda scary, even though as soon as you step out the front door with it in hand, it stops being that, as if by magic, as if...somehow, it never was in the first place.

Exactly this. I've tried to get into similar discussions with him in the past, and it's impossible to openly discuss anything related to Nintendo with him.

 

[SolsticeZero]

Does it make any difference? Everybody call it a tablet because of its form factor and because of the purpose it fullfills inside the house. Can't you get behind this logic?

Considering that 90% of your posts have been in Ninty threads, I'm willing to bet you'll get behind any logic that Ninty tells you is sound.

 

[daviyoung]

Are you going to get shocked everytime you will see GamePad being called a tablet? Because it happens in every thread and any interview about Wii U.

Best get ready for many thread derailments in the future then. Not a wise or logical way of thinking for one so adamant in spreading the good word.