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Gladiator king of the Shi'ar and all around badass. The Thor guy is Beta Ray Bill.

To expand a bit, from wiki:

Gladiator possesses a number of superhuman capabilities as a result of his unique alien physiology including superhuman strength (capable of shattering a planet), superhuman speed, stamina and durability (capable of withstanding an explosion equivalent to a supernova); reflexes; heat vision (stated as "hotter than a star");frost breath and is capable of warp speed flight (measured as "a hundred times the speed of light"). Gladiator's abilities increase and decrease in accordance with his level of confidence and he is vulnerable to a certain form of rare radiation.

That's right. Not only can he kick just about anybody's ass from the jump, but the more he knows he can kick your ass, the stronger he gets.

Beta Ray Bill, aka "horse Thor", is actually a genetically engineered alien champion who, in his first appearance, kicked Thor's ass and took his hammer. That's right, he was the first person other than Thor to be worthy of lifting Mjolnir. Then he and Thor had a fight to determine who was more worthy to wield the hammer. Beta Ray Bill won.

He gave Thor his hammer back, JUST BECAUSE HE WAS A NICE FUCKIN GUY, and Odin himself was like "holy crap dude, you kick ass!" and then made Beta Ray Bill his OWN hammer that's JUST AS GOOD AS THOR'S AND IS CALLED "STORMBREAKER". How badass is that shit?

 

[OmniGamer]

To expand a bit, from wiki:



That's right. Not only can he kick just about anybody's ass from the jump, but the more he knows he can kick your ass, the stronger he gets.

One example of his confidence being shaken was during a battle with the X-Men. He was about to delivery a death blow to Cannonball, but CB decided to try out a new trick. After the punch, CB was unharmed, Gladiator was completely shocked, and CB explained that he used his kinetic based powers to absorb the full force of Gladiator's punch into his blast field, and then proceeded to redirect that force, punching Gladiator the fuck out.

 

[Speedymanic]

It has to be Wolverine, right?

I used to think Apocalypse from X-Men was seriously OP, but I didn't really follow the character after the X-men series came to an end.

 

[CorvoSol]

yes it does- as the scan with Kubik indicates, there are levels to infinity, and "a god" and "one with everything that is" are two totally different levels. Hard to wrap your mind around, but there it is.



because the phoenix and jean are two different entities. Again, she was the ideal host- perfect for it's needs but it's existence is not tied to her, in the way that say the power cosmic and galactus are one and the same.



Yes, it is, because the cubes have been shown to rewrite everything that is, instantaneously. Reality is bent to the will of the user, immediately and without limit. Jean and the phoenix have never been on this level- recall that I referred specifically to feats performed so far. And those are just cubes. The Phoenix can be killed and consumed even by Shi'ar tech. Celestials and Abstract powers are unkillable- even by other celestials. And Thanos' version of "limitless" carries a bit more weight than the watcher since Thanos is one of only three people to wield the fully powered infinity gauntlet. THAT thing outclasses everything in existence sans the tribunal by a wide margin, so he is in a unique position to truly understand what "limitless" power actually is.

Galactus' power fluctuates wildly, partly because his hunger state reduces his power, but mostly because he willfully restricts it. Many have fought Galactus to a standstill (Agamatto has, off the top of my head- so has the inbetweener) but the full, unchecked hunger of galactus would consume all that is. a "fully powered" galactus is rarely seen- but his maximum potential is probably contained within the nullifier, which wiped out and reconstructed the entirety of the marvel multiverse. not one reality- billions.

The prime players are simply on a completely different tier than the phoenix force.

But Jean and the Phoenix DID do that on screen. Hell, the Scarlet Witch has done that. They've taken the universe and said "Do this" and it was done. I get that their some kind of lame hierarchy in the way that Aristotle said that men were higher than beasts and beasts higher than plants, but a beast can still royally wreck the day of a man.

When the Phoenix FIRST came out, there was none of this BS like the Shi'ar hurting it. Hurting, not killing. Their best weapons worked out to hurt it once, and even then all they really did was make it break up for a short while. Here we are, several years later, and the Phoenix is back in action. In fact, most of the times we've ever seen the Phoenix fall, it's because Jean allowed it to happen, and when Galactus defeated Jean, he pretty much doomed the universe in so doing.

So sure, the big, stupid, useless characters who never do stuff like The-One-Above-All could wreck the Phoenix, but she's still using power the Watcher calls Second to The-One-Above-All.

And the Phoenix, for something that's allegedly divorced from Jean, has gone so far as to try and make itself look like her when speaking to her. If there is a difference between Jean and the Phoenix, it doesn't seem to exist in the Phoenix' opinion.

 

[OmniGamer]

But Jean and the Phoenix DID do that on screen. Hell, the Scarlet Witch has done that. They've taken the universe and said "Do this" and it was done. I get that their some kind of lame hierarchy in the way that Aristotle said that men were higher than beasts and beasts higher than plants, but a beast can still royally wreck the day of a man.

When the Phoenix FIRST came out, there was none of this BS like the Shi'ar hurting it. Hurting, not killing. Their best weapons worked out to hurt it once, and even then all they really did was make it break up for a short while. Here we are, several years later, and the Phoenix is back in action. In fact, most of the times we've ever seen the Phoenix fall, it's because Jean allowed it to happen, and when Galactus defeated Jean, he pretty much doomed the universe in so doing.

So sure, the big, stupid, useless characters who never do stuff like The-One-Above-All could wreck the Phoenix, but she's still using power the Watcher calls Second to The-One-Above-All.

And the Phoenix, for something that's allegedly divorced from Jean, has gone so far as to try and make itself look like her when speaking to her. If there is a difference between Jean and the Phoenix, it doesn't seem to exist in the Phoenix' opinion.

Agreed...Not to mention that even post-retcon, it was stated that Phoenix represented the FULL EXTENTION of Jean's abilities as a psi...that she has been classified as an Omega level mutant....that Destiny, mutant precog, went complete future blind in proximity to Jean Grey, and stated that Jean was a nexus of probabilities....that Jean gave the lifeforce that Phoenix represents, form and substance....that a vial of Jean's blood was called "Telekinetic Godhood in a Bottle", etc

Not commenting on the power hierarchy and where Phoenix fits, but moreso on the divvorcing of Jean from Phoenix as you stated. Blasted 90s.

 

[AlteredBeast]

Reading through this thread diminishes any fainting glimpse of a desire to read superhero comics.

What good is a comic book storyline if one character can destroy planets, break through the speed of light, be immortal, etc...

 

[DY_nasty]

To expand a bit, from wiki:



That's right. Not only can he kick just about anybody's ass from the jump, but the more he knows he can kick your ass, the stronger he gets.

Beta Ray Bill, aka "horse Thor", is actually a genetically engineered alien champion who, in his first appearance, kicked Thor's ass and took his hammer. That's right, he was the first person other than Thor to be worthy of lifting Mjolnir. Then he and Thor had a fight to determine who was more worthy to wield the hammer. Beta Ray Bill won.

He gave Thor his hammer back, JUST BECAUSE HE WAS A NICE FUCKIN GUY, and Odin himself was like "holy crap dude, you kick ass!" and then made Beta Ray Bill his OWN hammer that's JUST AS GOOD AS THOR'S AND IS CALLED "STORMBREAKER". How badass is that shit?

Now I finally know the story

holy shit lol

 

[GDGF]

Death Battle: Batman vs Spiderman

That was pretty cool

Yeah, something like this, but with a budget so they can afford to render everything in 3D.

Wait, just watched the Link vs Cloud battle. This is pretty badass

 

[zoukka]

Gladiator possesses a number of superhuman capabilities as a result of his unique alien physiology including superhuman strength (capable of shattering a planet), superhuman speed, stamina and durability (capable of withstanding an explosion equivalent to a supernova); reflexes; heat vision (stated as "hotter than a star");frost breath and is capable of warp speed flight (measured as "a hundred times the speed of light"). Gladiator's abilities increase and decrease in accordance with his level of confidence and he is vulnerable to a certain form of rare radiation.

What do you think runs through the head of a person who comes up with this shit lol.

 

[Boss Doggie]

People keep bringing out Superman when folks like Thor and Wolverine are given leeway baffles me.

 

[kai3345]

Defenders are old and busted, this is the new hotness.

What's up with Cosmic Marvel and having Superpowered animals

 

[waypoetic]

Lol at Batman. Overpowered? No.

 

[Pandaman]

What's up with Cosmic Marvel and having Superpowered animals

for every cosmo there is a Dexx-Star.

 

[Monocle]

Reading through this thread diminishes any fainting glimpse of a desire to read superhero comics.

What good is a comic book storyline if one character can destroy planets, break through the speed of light, be immortal, etc...

That's a good question. Neil Gaiman's The Sandman is a particularly great example of an engaging story about a character with vast power. The Sandman Presents: Lucifer by Mike Carey is also excellent.

Both are a bit removed from traditional superhero comics, but not completely unrelated.

To expand a bit, from wiki:



That's right. Not only can he kick just about anybody's ass from the jump, but the more he knows he can kick your ass, the stronger he gets.

Beta Ray Bill, aka "horse Thor", is actually a genetically engineered alien champion who, in his first appearance, kicked Thor's ass and took his hammer. That's right, he was the first person other than Thor to be worthy of lifting Mjolnir. Then he and Thor had a fight to determine who was more worthy to wield the hammer. Beta Ray Bill won.

He gave Thor his hammer back, JUST BECAUSE HE WAS A NICE FUCKIN GUY, and Odin himself was like "holy crap dude, you kick ass!" and then made Beta Ray Bill his OWN hammer that's JUST AS GOOD AS THOR'S AND IS CALLED "STORMBREAKER". How badass is that shit?

Pretty fucking badass, tbh.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

To expand a bit, from wiki:



That's right. Not only can he kick just about anybody's ass from the jump, but the more he knows he can kick your ass, the stronger he gets.

Beta Ray Bill, aka "horse Thor", is actually a genetically engineered alien champion who, in his first appearance, kicked Thor's ass and took his hammer. That's right, he was the first person other than Thor to be worthy of lifting Mjolnir. Then he and Thor had a fight to determine who was more worthy to wield the hammer. Beta Ray Bill won.

He gave Thor his hammer back, JUST BECAUSE HE WAS A NICE FUCKIN GUY, and Odin himself was like "holy crap dude, you kick ass!" and then made Beta Ray Bill his OWN hammer that's JUST AS GOOD AS THOR'S AND IS CALLED "STORMBREAKER". How badass is that shit?

Im wondering how old that confidence = power has been a part of the gladiators character, first time i heard of it was during the 90's...while he apparently didnt have the confidence to beat cannonball....this is after flying across the galaxy to come to earth mind you. I will never forgive xmen comics for that issue..never.

 

[Slayven]

To expand a bit, from wiki:



That's right. Not only can he kick just about anybody's ass from the jump, but the more he knows he can kick your ass, the stronger he gets.

Beta Ray Bill, aka "horse Thor", is actually a genetically engineered alien champion who, in his first appearance, kicked Thor's ass and took his hammer. That's right, he was the first person other than Thor to be worthy of lifting Mjolnir. Then he and Thor had a fight to determine who was more worthy to wield the hammer. Beta Ray Bill won.

He gave Thor his hammer back, JUST BECAUSE HE WAS A NICE FUCKIN GUY, and Odin himself was like "holy crap dude, you kick ass!" and then made Beta Ray Bill his OWN hammer that's JUST AS GOOD AS THOR'S AND IS CALLED "STORMBREAKER". How badass is that shit?

Gladiator is his race's Captain America. His race are all low level flying bricks, but he proved himself worthy and they made him a super soldier.

Reading through this thread diminishes any fainting glimpse of a desire to read superhero comics.

What good is a comic book storyline if one character can destroy planets, break through the speed of light, be immortal, etc...

SMH.....never gets any less funnier when people say this.

Im wondering how old that confidence = power has been a part of the gladiators character, first time i heard of it was during the 90's...while he apparently didnt have the confidence to beat cannonball....this is after flying across the galaxy to come to earth mind you. I will never forgive xmen comics for that issue..never.

It goes back to an old FF story where Gladitor fights the FF, and Reed figures out the confidence thing. So he used a hologram to hide Cap's shield and dared Glads to hit him. Glads went to town unknowingly pounding Cap's shield while Reed just smiled at him.

 

[Parallax]

Reading through this thread diminishes any fainting glimpse of a desire to read superhero comics.

What good is a comic book storyline if one character can destroy planets, break through the speed of light, be immortal, etc...

once again, most of the really powerful either arent seen very often or only coexist with characters as strong as this. stop making excuses about not doing something you didnt plan on doing

 

[Slayven]

once again, most of the really powerful either arent seen very often or only coexist with characters as strong as this. stop making excuses about not doing something you didnt plan on doing

Just Constanzaing.

 

[Alx]

Reading through this thread diminishes any fainting glimpse of a desire to read superhero comics.

What good is a comic book storyline if one character can destroy planets, break through the speed of light, be immortal, etc...

Super heroess are no different than antique heroes like Herakles/Hercules or Achilles, who also had superhuman strength, speed or resilience. It didn't prevent them from having good stories, sometimes even based on being over powered.

 

[Metal B]

Death Battle: Batman vs Spiderman

Stupid. Batman would destroy the web-shooters and throw Spiederman from the building. If he survives the fall, Batman would simply wait there, which would give him enough time to think about a better plan or find a solution to escape/end the deathmatch without killing Spiederman.

 

[Parallax]

Stupid. Batman would destroy the web-shooters and throw Spiederman from the building. If he survives the fall, Batman would simply wait there, which would give him enough time to think about a better plan or find a solution to escape/end the deathmatch without killing Spiederman.

spider man reaction time would make it incredibly difficult to disable his web shooters. watching the video, i want to know where the bats came from, and if these guys actually read the comics, because if pete really did that, he would have been a blubbering mess until the police arrive.

 

[Hyuga]

Stupid. Batman would destroy the web-shooters and throw Spiederman from the building. If he survives the fall, Batman would simply wait there, which would give him enough time to think about a better plan or find a solution to escape/end the deathmatch without killing Spiederman.

Even Captain America would kick Batman's ass!

 

[Slayven]

spider man reaction time would make it incredibly difficult to disable his web shooters. watching the video, i want to know where the bats came from, and if these guys actually read the comics, because if pete really did that, he would have been a blubbering mess until the police arrive.

I hate people that argue characters just by Googling them.

 

[ReiGun]

People keep bringing out Superman when folks like Thor and Wolverine are given leeway baffles me.

Bu bu bu...he gets a new power every week and...and...uhh...Batman is cooler! :'(

 

[Parallax]

Even Captain America would kick Batman's ass!

captain america is beyond peak human with mastery in many different martial art styles. "even" doesnt cut it one on one.

I hate people that argue characters just by Googling them.

that see power listings and go from there, not knowing that neither of them would be willing to just kill someone for no reason.

 

[Anticitizen One]

 

[Slayven]

captain america is beyond peak human with mastery in many different martial art styles. "even" doesnt cut it one on one.



that see power listings and go from there, not knowing that neither of them would be willing to just kill someone for no reason.

And it was Peter would wax Bruce from Astro city to Wakanda. And God help him if Petey stops joking.

 

[Vermillion]

And it was Peter would wax Bruce from Astro city to Wakanda. And God help him if Petey stops joking.

Then... darkness.

 

[Parallax]

And it was Peter would wax Bruce from Astro city to Wakanda. And God help him if Petey stops joking.

Then... darkness.

i want to see a truly psychotic peter parker. all the powers, but hes completely lost his mind.

 

[Slayven]

i want to see a truly psychotic peter parker. all the powers, but hes completely lost his mind.

Best thing the cartoon ever did. Remember he took over his world and started invading others?

 

[Parallax]

Best thing the cartoon ever did. Remember he took over his world and started invading others?

was that spider carnage?

 

[Slayven]

was that spider carnage?

Yeah

 

[rexor0717]

Pretty much has the power to break every natural rule of spacetime/the universe purely because he believes he can.

Pretty much whenever these arguments come up, this is my answer. I'm fairly certain any criticism to their ability can be answered by, "Who the hell do you think we are?"

 

[Acerac]

Do squirrel girl's victories ever get any sort of real explanation? Or do they typically seem to happen off camera?

 

[amrihua]

Captain Hindsight. No one can beat his 20/20 hindsight.

http://youtu.be/9rmUZQrvF5o

 

[Kusagari]

Do squirrel girl's victories ever get any sort of real explanation? Or do they typically seem to happen off camera?

She's beaten guys who aren't world enders, like Deadpool and Wolverine, in focus. She's usually just shown to be the superior combatant in those situations.

Dudes like Thanos are always off panel.

 

[Htown]

She's beaten guys who aren't world enders, like Deadpool and Wolverine, in focus. She's usually just shown to be the superior combatant in those situations.

Dudes like Thanos are always off panel.

I liked it better when she wasn't fighting top tier heroes on-panel. Her whole deal was off-panel plot armor.

That and being a 9-1 matchup vs. Doctor Doom.

 

[Medalion]

Golden Superman Prime One-Million

He is basically the most powerful DC universe person next to DC's interpretation of the one God, The Presence.

 

[Parallax]

Pretty much whenever these arguments come up, this is my answer. I'm fairly certain any criticism to their ability can be answered by, "Who the hell do you think we are?"

He's not even that broken though. Separate him from his machine, and he can't use that spiral energy. How people thought he could beat galactus is beyond me.

 

[ferr]

This comes to mind

 

[Oldschoolgamer]

He's not even that broken though. Separate him from his machine, and he can't use that spiral energy. How people thought he could beat galactus is beyond me.

Yea...but for the sake of discussion, why wouldn't he be in his machine, vs some of these other dudes? lol

 

[Parallax]

Yea...but for the sake of discussion, why wouldn't he be in his machine, vs some of these other dudes? lol

What I mean is, is that most of the people listed here are powerful by some experiment, or are born with ridiculous abilities. Minus the lanterns(who aren't listed by the way) everyone here would have said abilities with or without any sort of device. I'm not saying that ttgl isn't powerful, but to people acting like it can't be defeated because a song says so, and not due to the actual merits of ttgl itself, on top of the fact that simply removing them from the unit itself really cuts down on how superpowerful it is.

 

[Oldschoolgamer]

I agree somewhat. It is kinda silly just to base things on the song or whatever, but at the end of the series that's basically what it boiled down to. I guess that's a problem when ranking glorified parodies of the vary things people are listing.

As for Galactus. Simon and co. figured out how to kill shit with a space time math equation. Fully upgraded, Galactus is getting wrecked. Without the suit, shit is ultra free.

 

[Parallax]

I agree somewhat. It is kinda silly just to base things on the song or whatever, but at the end of the series that's basically what it boiled down to. I guess that's a problem when ranking glorified parodies of the vary things people are listing.

As for Galactus. Simon and co. figured out how to kill shit with a space time math equation. Fully upgraded, Galactus is getting wrecked. Without the suit, shit is ultra free.

Reality warpers, gods, and the ultimate nullifier are the only thing galactus fears. Ttgl is not one of those.

 

[Kusagari]

Golden Superman Prime One-Million

He is basically the most powerful DC universe person next to DC's interpretation of the one God, The Presence.

This actually isn't true. Lucifer Morningstar is stronger I'm pretty sure.

 

[Medalion]

This actually isn't true. Lucifer Morningstar is stronger I'm pretty sure.

Well, if The Presence is God...and the counter-part evil would of course be the devil, or Lucifer. So that makes sense... but in terms of a Hero, Supes golden still 2nd most powerful for the force of Good.

 

[Aylinato]

Golden Superman Prime One-Million

He is basically the most powerful DC universe person next to DC's interpretation of the one God, The Presence.

I was thinking about posting this, however I didn't want the Marvel people to feel..upset, as giving the strongest Superman ever created, not just a ring, but an entire lantern to power himself(so he doesnt need to recharge the willpower of the green-lantern) and the immorality of him becoming a sun(self-charging superman, OP much) would probably beat beta ray(though I don't think they'd fight, they would join forces obviously)

 

[Parallax]

I was thinking about posting this, however I didn't want the Marvel people to feel..upset, as giving the strongest Superman ever created, not just a ring, but an entire lantern to power himself(so he doesnt need to recharge the willpower of the green-lantern) and the immorality of him becoming a sun(self-charging superman, OP much) would probably beat beta ray(though I don't think they'd fight, they would join forces obviously)

Why would anyone be upset?

 

[Kusagari]

Well, if The Presence is God...and the counter-part evil would of course be the devil, or Lucifer. So that makes sense... but in terms of a Hero, Supes golden still 2nd most powerful for the force of Good.

Lucifer is actually The Presence's son along with Michael Demiurgos being Lucifer's brother.

I think those are the three strongest DC characters.

I honestly don't know enough about DC to say if Superman Prime One Million is after them.

 

[Ventilaator]

that see power listings and go from there, not knowing that neither of them would be willing to just kill someone for no reason.

If you're talking about the video, they do know this.

The battle must end with a death, for fairness, any personality restraints from killing are removed