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Wii U Thread - Now in HD!

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Oersted

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its time again

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EuroMIX

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Yep.

There are also concerns from some third parties over there being Mario at launch. While it drives hardware sales, it is the presumed 1.0 software tie ratio lock for the system. I recall someone saying that it's so default it might as well be packed in.

One reason third parties are being tepid at launch is because nothing but Mario is going to sell for a few months, anyway. But Nintendo is screwed because they can't not launch the system with NSMBU, especially at this point.

I still think it's rather shitty of 3rd parties, especially since Nintendo held back for the 3DS launch and it ended up lukewarm. I say, sod the 3rd parties, before they sod you. Get their games on the system if you can, and obviously assist in giving them as much help as possible, but holding back on selling games because the oh so poor 3rd parties can't compete just seems silly. Yes, bundling in NintendoLand might not be the best idea, but expecting Nintendo to hold back any of its major franchises at launch is just silly.

I believe you, but this shows how dumbass are Third parties: they put nothing really impressive on 3DS at launch because there was no Nintendo title strong enough to assure sgood sales debut for the console, and we have several official sentences about that.

No, Nintendo is trying to "lock" a good debut with a possible "demo" bundled and a strong IP, and third parties are afraid.

Truth is: third party has no clue and interest in being strong on Nintendo HWs.

Sounds like the 3rd parties want to have their cake and eat it. They want an assured good system launch, but for Nintendo to hold back at the same time.

While the third party concerns seem reasonable, these third parties should offer compelling games and not some "enchanced" ports with the expectation to sell them because of the lack of Nintendo quality games.

That's the problem. 3rd parties seem to believe that they can just throw any old crap at the system and if it doesn't sell amazingly, then it's proof that their games won't sell on the system, thus they are justified in not making any more.

Then if their game DOES sell, maybe in part due to people buying it on the promise that it'll encourage further support, they will take it as "this crappy game sold, so make more crappy games!" and then wonder why subsequent games do not sell, which brings us back to the above.

But this has been discussed a billion times before, and I'm just venting.
 

BGBW

Maturity, bitches.
UK Time, the distant but more reliable cousin of Japan Time.

(Except in Summer when you don't know if GMT really means GMT or BST because people mix them up)
 

D-e-f-

Banned
With 3DS, the open price was pretty good for the customers. Paid €219 with a game at launch.

Apparently the UK price was messed up, though. But only right at launch maybe, 'cause when I was looking to buy one, importing a new one from the UK would've been even cheaper.
 
One reason third parties are being tepid at launch is because nothing but Mario is going to sell for a few months, anyway.

While NSMBU will almost certainly be the best-selling launch title by a significant margin, isn't stating this as fact a bit hyperbolic? And to the extent that it is true (at least in the sense that third parties fear it), isn't there a large element of self-fulfilling prophecy there?
 

schuelma

Wastes hours checking old Famitsu software data, but that's why we love him.
WHERE IS MA JAPAN NINTENDO DIRECT IWATA!!!! YOU BETTER NOT BE LAUNCHING WITH TANKS! AS YOUR BIG THIRD PARTY GAME!!!
 

blu

Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
DSP - 120Mhz
GPU - 480Mhz
DDR3 - 240Mhz (or 960Mhz depending on how you prefer to look at it)
CPU - 1440Mhz, 1920Mhz, or 2400Mhz
eDRAM - ? (couldn't find clock speed info)
The one officially-sanction way of calling it would be DDR3-1920. Comply or face JEDEC's wrath.

New Trine 2: Director's Cut info and screenshots

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/09/11/trine-2-enter-the-wii-u-dragon

Summary from GO.

- still due at system's launch
- devs are polishing various elements of the original game
- this includes tweaking gameplay, geometry, vocals and the overall user experience
- supports Wiimotes and the Wii U GamePad
- features touch controls
- had the game up-and-running on Wii U in just 2 days
- move and manipulate in-game objects through the GamePad screen
I can hear the sound of the damned souls of hundreds of ps3-360 muliplat devs sighing..

gDDR3 seems to have very poor density. I'm talking about DDR3 that's specially clocked for Wii U. That speed falls between DDR3-1866 and 2133 and ~31GB/s on a 128-bit bus. As for the amount, here are two posts I made about it.
I'm not following. What is so poor about the density of 2Gb chips?
 

axisofweevils

Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Yep. Seems like the 3DS all over again.

Nintendo: Y U No release games on our system?
Third parties: We can't compete with Mario and Zelda.
Nintendo: OK, we'll delay Mario and Zelda, giving the launch all to yourselves.
Third parties: Hooray.

....

Third parties: This console isn't selling. People aren't buying Lame Port V. What's going on?!
 
I hope they understand that Nintendo tried launching a system without including a game or a Mario game at or near launch. Third parties were given a clear field to take advantage of and they blew it. Theory tested and damage done.

I think third parties wouldn't have anything to worry about if they didn't release and then forget their own games. If they kept talking about them, pushing them after release in some manner they'd do better. Do they think Nintendo is going to suddenly after release act like NSMBU or Nintendo Land don't exist and then focus completely on the next game? No. The will have to stop making excuses for their own lack of action. Perhaps if they try to actively push and sell their game they wouldn't have these concerns instead of expecting the sales to just come to them.

Yup, looks like from now on both fans and third parties can expect that launching with Mario is once again going to be their standard trend:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2012/apr/27/shigeru-miyamoto-rushed-game-forever-bad?

Miyamoto: "If I could rewind the clock I would change the lineup for the 3DS launch so it had more Mario titles."

 

AirBrian

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While NSMBU will almost certainly be the best-selling launch title by a significant margin, isn't stating this as fact a bit hyperbolic? And to the extent that it is true (at least in the sense that third parties fear it), isn't there a large element of self-fulfilling prophecy there?

It seems like this happens a lot with Nintendo consoles. Right or wrong.
 

Diablos54

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There are also concerns from some third parties over there being Mario at launch. While it drives hardware sales, it is the presumed 1.0 software tie ratio lock for the system. I recall someone saying that it's so default it might as well be packed in.

One reason third parties are being tepid at launch is because nothing but Mario is going to sell for a few months, anyway. But Nintendo is screwed because they can't not launch the system with NSMBU, especially at this point.
You have got to be kidding me... Nintendo gave them months to themselves at the 3DS launch with nothing but N64 remakes, and they did fuck all, and sales suffered for it. Why the hell are 3rd parties moaning when they've proved they can't be trusted on Nintendo consoles? Nintendo need to launch their new system with something big, shouldn't 3rd parties be happy its a game which will move tons of systems which they can then take advantage of?
 

Taker666

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Apparently the UK price was messed up, though. But only right at launch maybe, 'cause when I was looking to buy one, importing a new one from the UK would've been even cheaper.

The usual price at present in the UK is £170/£180 although some retailers were changing £199 at launch. £159 is what it should have been at launch going by the price in euros.

You can currently get a 3DS XL for £148 from Amazon France, £152 amazon Germany..while it's £170 from Amazon UK.

So UK consumers are getting charged an extra 12-15% for hardware.
 
Wii U spec thread causing mass casualties already. Stay in your bomb shelters.

To be fair, not all of us are going to going round calling people fanboys and f**ktards.

The usual price at present in the UK is £170/£180 although some retailers were changing £199 at launch. £159 is what it should have been at launch going by the price in euros.

You can currently get a 3DS XL for £148 from Amazon France, £152 amazon Germany..while it's £170 from Amazon UK.

So UK consumers are getting charged an extra 12-15% for hardware.

I was charged £270 for an OG 3DS at launch with two games, just to add some perspective. That price would hurt less for a new console I guess, but reading that specs thread, it shouldn't be that much unless the controller is god tier expensive.
 

Azure J

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Wii U spec thread causing mass casualties already. Stay in your bomb shelters.

I'm loving the aura of hype around here but I do really want to know what's good with these specs. It seems like every other day its morphing into something even more wildly different than the day before while retaining almost nothing thought of from initial guesses.
 

Hoo-doo

Banned
In defense of cyberheater, he was waiting a year and a half to make that post

I imagine it was worth it to him.

I think he immediately realized he made a huge mistake while re-reading his post.

But yes, that was months of built-up bile caused by people ridiculing him in this thread.
 

Nibel

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In defense of cyberheater, he was waiting a year and a half to make that post

I imagine it was worth it to him.

This is probably true

D:

Bu-but, I like living in the solar system. ;_;


Which reminds me, how the hell are you gonna fit me on the hype train Nibel??? O:<

:lol

The hype train can transport everything - hyped souls or solar systems. It ain't bound to our pathetic physical law.
 

SmokyDave

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I'm loving the aura of hype around here but I do really want to know what's good with these specs. It seems like every other day its morphing into something even more wildly different than the day before while retaining almost nothing thought of from initial guesses.

I feel like a clairvoyant because it's more or less exactly as powerful as I suspected from the first unveil. The clue was always in that casing.
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
You have got to be kidding me... Nintendo gave them months to themselves at the 3DS launch with nothing but N64 remakes, and they did fuck all, and sales suffered for it. Why the hell are 3rd parties moaning when they've proved they can't be trusted on Nintendo consoles? Nintendo need to launch their new system with something big, shouldn't 3rd parties be happy its a game which will move tons of systems which they can then take advantage of?

Agreed. It didn't work with 3DS.
 

schuelma

Wastes hours checking old Famitsu software data, but that's why we love him.
I think he immediately realized he made a huge mistake while re-reading his post.

But yes, that was months of built-up bile caused by people ridiculing him in this thread.

I don't think that is really a fair or accurate representation of his posting in this thread.
 

schuelma

Wastes hours checking old Famitsu software data, but that's why we love him.
It was when he originally donned his avatar, plenty of WUST threads ago.

He was incredibly antagonistic, starting with his avatar. Let's just not make him out to be some sort of martyr here.
 

Earendil

Member
Yep.

There are also concerns from some third parties over there being Mario at launch. While it drives hardware sales, it is the presumed 1.0 software tie ratio lock for the system. I recall someone saying that it's so default it might as well be packed in.

One reason third parties are being tepid at launch is because nothing but Mario is going to sell for a few months, anyway. But Nintendo is screwed because they can't not launch the system with NSMBU, especially at this point.

Nintendo launched the 3DS without a big hitting first party game so that third parties could have some breathing room to start with, and we all see how that turned out. Would any third party complain to MS if they launched the 720 with Halo? Probably not.


is it just me or do these shapes have hard corners? Really odd, I know, but you'd think nintendo would go with round corners...and it bugs me.
nintendodirect0912_mainstagebanner_990px_enGB.jpg

WiiU not powerful enough to render round corners confirmed....
 
Agreed. It didn't work with 3DS.

Nintendo even acknowledged that. Yet they repeat it. They also said that they know that launch buyers aren't exactly those Wii Fit moms. Yet their own outlook almost solely appeals to those. I guess they must be really confident that hobby gamers would get excited by the fact that the latest iteration of Wii Play has Metroid hats for these unbearable Mii things.
 

schuelma

Wastes hours checking old Famitsu software data, but that's why we love him.
Nintendo even acknowledged that. Yet they repeat it. They also said that they know that launch buyers aren't exactly those Wii Fit moms. Yet their own outlook almost solely appeals to those. I guess they must be really confident that hobby gamers would get excited by the fact that the latest iteration of Wii Play has Metroid hats for these unbearable Mii things.

How on Earth are they repeating it when they are launching with a 2D Mario game, their #1 or #2 seller they have?
 

XenodudeX

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I'm loving the aura of hype around here but I do really want to know what's good with these specs. It seems like every other day its morphing into something even more wildly different than the day before while retaining almost nothing thought of from initial guesses.
I remember reading the the gaming websites when the Wii U details were first leaked. All of them were saying that it would be "significantly" more powerful than the current gen. Turns out none of those guys knew jack. :/
 

blu

Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
He was incredibly antagonistic, starting with his avatar. Let's just not make him out to be some sort of martyr here.
The funniest thing is he believed somebody owed him an apology. The more clueless they are, etc.
 

Pineconn

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I will :lol hard if those rumored specs are false and the Wii U is actually a bit more powerful.

Cyberheater would have lost his life for nothing.
 
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