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I think a lot of people's freak-outs are due to Wii's mediocre track record with 3rd party games (let alone exclusive ones). Multiplatform games on the Wii usually tend to be an inferior version with motion-control gimmicks thrown in. 3rd party Wii exclusives are rare enough to begin with, and existing ones tend to get quickly overshadowed by the Marios and Zeldas. So fans are right to be a bit worried about how Bayonetta 2 will turn out.

 

[demidar]

Man, I thought this announcement would get a universal positive reaction. I can't believe there's still console war bs and death threats in 2012. I thought I left all of that back in middle school.

Gaf is like a posh middle school, everyone hides their colours better, but when shit hits the fan, the trolls come out to play.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

That wasn't my point.

Also, I added a bit:


I mean, really, at this point Wii U seems to be offering highly promising:

-2d platformers (Rayman Legends & Mario)
-horror (Zombie U)
-action/adventure (Bayonetta 2)
-JRPG (Xenoblade director & team's next project)
-party games
-actiony strategy games (Pikmin 3 & The Wonderful 101, okay, so I don't know what genre these two belong to)
-monster hunting (Monster Hunter 3G Ultimate or whatever)
+ (definitive? console-wise) ports from games like Darksiders 2, Assassin's Creed III, Tekken Tag Tournament 2 etc.

I mean, how limited does your taste in games have to be not to have interest in any of these games? How much better can PS4 & Xbox 720 offerings be or is it just the millionth Halo or Call of Duty that interests these people instead of new, exciting or at least not as tired franchises?

I looked at your list and the only two games that interested me personally are Darksiders 2 and Bayonetta 2 (and the former I can get for PS3 or PC already), well maybe whatever the Xenoblade team does too, since I've seen nothing but praise for Xenoblade (and it's supposedly similar to FF XII, which sounds good to me). So, going by launch lineup, the only thing that interests me is Bayonetta 2. I like OG Bayonetta, but not enough to pay ~$360 to play the sequel. The only series that could lure me in like that are God of War and Uncharted, really

 

[NFreak]

Could this have been an intentional move by SEGA? Were they looking for someone to fund the game? Since they own the IP wouldn't they get a cut of the earnings? This could have been a good way for them to make some money without taking the risk.

 

[Phife Dawg]

I love it! This is amazing. There's nothing better than fanboy tears.

Kids these days, they be in need of a good smackin'.

 

[KojiKnight]

I'm going to go ahead and call it now... If these two games do really well on the Wii U, I expect Nintendo to buy Platinum... and I think it's something Kamiya would be all for.

 

[Magic Mushroom]

WHy would you buy a Wii U?

To play Bayonetta 2. Unless you're saying Bayonetta 2 will be obsolete. Which is just weird.

I mean, I can't play Bayonetta 2 on an any other platform, so that's why I would buy a Wii U. To play games. On that platform. That I can't find anywhere else.

Like Bayonetta 2.

Exactly this. People moan about bloated blockbusters and shallow games, and when we finally get a sequel to one of the deepest games of this gen, completely unexpected, people moan again. This is why we can't have nice things. Or at least not nearly often enough.

Nintendo should be applauded for saving a hardcore game like this. I will vote with my wallet.

 

[Kai Dracon]

I know Bayonetta is huge on GAF and that it did well critically, but is it a franchise that matters commercially? I was always under the impression that it undersold and just found a niche market.

I think it just barely sold enough to meet Sega of America's expectations. It was enough to establish it as a critical and cult success. Perhaps enough to warrant experimenting with at least one sequel to see if the brand could be grown.

But Sega ran out of money, and Bayonetta 2 got the axe.

However it is a name and a game with enough critical and hardcore recognition that slapping it on Wii U does say "we are serious brah and we are bringing it" to the audience Nintendo hopes to court.

It's especially shocking, headline grabbing, because everyone knew Bayonetta was dead. Nintendo not just appealing to enthusiast gamers but acting the part of the hero.

 

[Zephyrus]

I think a lot of people's freak-outs are due to Wii's mediocre track record with 3rd party games (let alone exclusive ones). Multiplatform games on the Wii usually tend to be an inferior version with motion-control gimmicks thrown in. 3rd party Wii exclusives are rare enough to begin with, and existing ones tend to get quickly overshadowed by the Marios and Zeldas. So fans are right to be a bit worried about how Bayonetta 2 will turn out.

No. Their freak-outs are due to an IP they love being exclusive to a system they don't want to buy.

 

[thebaroness]

Why are people saying this is a megaton, I understand this game has a good following but didn't it sell poorly in the US?

I love how in this generation 1.5million+ is selling poorly...lol

No, It did not meet expectations, but it didn't tank. And it's more a Megaton because a dead franchise being revived is extremely rare.

 

[SpacePirate Ridley]

So, has the twitter spamming started up on Kamiya yet? I get the feeling that he's going to really hate the next year or so given how annoyed he's been with all the DMC tweets. This is going to be much worse.

The first batch he did read seemed to be good tweets (myself included), and he was happy and said that a large amout of people have tweeted him.
He was also sleepy and went to bed, so tomorrow is when the carnival of stupid will begin.
When I wake up (i think its afternoon in japan), thats the time when I see most of Kamiya tweet responses.

 

[mysteriousmage09]

Because that successor is likely to be significantly more powerful than this platform and may feature a stable of exclusives they're already acquainted with. In addition, they may wish to carry over their friends lists and achievements / trophies. I don't find it difficult to empathise with those people.


Some buy consoles on promise, some buy consoles on what is available now. I'm not going to tell either group how to spend their money.

After this gen, you would have to be a fool to do that again.

 

[grimshawish]

This all really is like complaining your favourite TV show has died, but some bastard cable company has picked it up stealing it from your favourite channel!

I know Bayonetta is huge on GAF and that it did well critically, but is it a franchise that matters commercially? I was always under the impression that it undersold and just found a niche market.

Pretty much, but Nintendo is probably not going so much for sales but a relationship with Platinum, then they want to send out a message AND get gaming press chat until it releases.

It sends out Nintendos intent to say that 'yes WiiU is mass market but we will cater to niches and the fan favourites'.

Nintendo would like it to succeed within the WiiU ecosystem (e.g. its not exactly got competitors); but overall they have other objectives - plus development had already started, Sega pretty much bailed over the publishing costs.

 

[Opiate]

I don't think it's necessarily just about the games. I plan on getting a Wii U, but because of that investment and the investments I've made in the Vita, 3DS and future PS360 software I doubt I'll be willing to support PS4/Xbox 720 at all if and when they come out. Not just because of financial constrains but time management. So when you look at the investment/benefit ratio, it's not exactly that worthwhile for someone in my circumstance. So I absolutely understand the disappointment some fans are going through, and while the manner in which they're whining isn't any help, I don't think we should really be that surprised at the disappointment. That's my two cents on the topics.

I don't think the sentiment is unreasonable, but I'd argue that the reaction is in any way commensurate or reflective of what you're describing.

Let's take this away from gaming, for a second. Let's imagine, instead, that two toothbrushes made by two different companies have features that are distinct, but both good. One cleans your tongue a little better, the other gets your gums or something, I don't know, who cares. Let's also say you're only looking to buy one of these.

Would your reaction to having two different but good choices, as a consumer, be frustration? Anger? Would you lash out at the gum-cleaning-toothbrush company for making a good product that makes you consider which one you want to buy? Generally speaking, I like it when I find two good things instead of only one good thing.

Similarly, we can be pretty confident that the PS4/720 will get good third party support, and now maybe the Wii U will get some decent support as well. We now have several good products to choose from, instead of just one. I don't think most rational people respond to greater consumer choices with frustration and anger.

 

[Raxus]

I love how in this generation 1.5million+ is selling poorly...lol

No, It did not meet expectations, but it didn't tank.

Compare that to Darksiders 2 which also had a large ad campaign behind it (if not bigger).

That game tanked.

Spoiler

I am pretty upset about it too.

 

[DECK'ARD]

No it wasn't a big success, just decent. Nintendo backing this must mean the game fits their style more than anything else.

Don't be silly, it clearly goes a lot deeper than that.

Nintendo respect Platinum and rescued a game they thought deserved to be published, maybe because they saw it for instance

And a new publishing deal with Nintendo gives them much more clout and security than with Sega, and Nintendo gets a nice cosy relationship with one of the best and most respected studios in Japan. It's a perfect marriage.

 

[Seik]

No. Their freak-outs are due to an IP they love being exclusive to a system they don't want to buy.

Not exactly, I think its more like:

''DURRR BAYO'Z GUN BE KIDS GAEM NAO OHEMGEEE!!! D:''

You know, 'that' stereotype about Nintendo mentioned by someone who didn't even tried to search the Wii's library properly.

Another thing that many don't seem to understand is that ''No Nintendo = No Bayo''. It would simply not exist if it wasn't of them publishing it.

 

[StuBurns]

No, I did not. I specifically said it was not, in fact. I said that a gradually increasing number of games are falling off the "AAA" tier list; I'm not quite sure where the bar is at now, but MGS is not there yet.

By contrast, Bayonetta is definitely already at that point. From my broad, general understanding, the current "bar" is at about 1.5-2 Million units sold, but I'm sure that varies by franchise.

Right, and this is my point. The gradually increasing bit. That's what breaks this model to me, this is why I don't believe the same thing can be repeated without a considerable improvement of the effectiveness of marketing within the industry.

Let's say right now two million is par, below that is unacceptable, that won't always be true of course, and sometimes four million is unacceptable, but for the sake of debate, let's use two million as par for right now.

As budgets rise, so does the required sales in order to turn a profit, now this is fine, presuming you can build up these franchises quickly to being profitable, such as with Dead Space, the example I used earlier. Even now, that took two games before hitting par. If you increase the budgets, not only do you need to sell more, you need to sell more quicker, as you need to reduce the iteration lag before turning a profit.

The big four publishers are still funding games which are B-tier, maybe they plan to stop doing so, but unless they can replace those franchises with more popular ones, I don't see that they can do that. Splinter Cell: Conviction fell short of two million units, and they've hired an army to make Blacklist, they're plowing ahead regardless of the performance of Conviction.

 

[JoeFenix]

Because that successor is likely to be significantly more powerful than this platform and may feature a stable of exclusives they're already acquainted with. In addition, they may wish to carry over their friends lists and achievements / trophies. I don't find it difficult to empathise with those people.


Some buy consoles on promise, some buy consoles on what is available now. I'm not going to tell either group how to spend their money.

Those all seem like really superficial reasons, especialy if you are genuinely excited about the game in question.

 

[Risette]

The first batch he did read seemed to be good tweets (myself included), and he was happy and said that a large amout of people have tweeted him.
He was also sleepy and went to bed, so tomorrow is when the carnival of stupid will begin.
When I wake up (i think its afternoon in japan), thats the time when I see most of Kamiya tweet responses.

He's probably going to be more annoyed when people think he directed the game in the future

 

[jj984jj]

But why? The colorful visuals? What about it jumps out to you as being a budget title?

It's already been pointed out but the low quality models gave that impression, you can see them at the beginning of the E3 trailer.

 

[7threst]

Posted already?

What's wrong with some people? Goddamn....

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

That wasn't my point.

Also, I added a bit:


I mean, really, at this point Wii U seems to be offering highly promising:

+ (definitive? console-wise) ports from games like Darksiders 2, Assassin's Creed III, Tekken Tag Tournament 2 etc.

I mean, how limited does your taste in games have to be not to have interest in any of these games? How much better can PS4 & Xbox 720 offerings be or is it just the millionth Halo or Call of Duty that interests these people instead of new, exciting or at least not as tired franchises?

My problem is that I'm not convinced this trend will continue once PS4 and Xbox 720 launch.

If the wiiU stays on a similar tragetory as the snes, where almost everything is ported, outside of the obvious exclusives, hell yeah.

but if it follows the wii route, where after the inital first few years, the console is relegated to the odd gimmick filled port of only the biggest selling games and most third parties ignore it entirely for their Top releases, then we are going to have a problem, because for me, Nintendo IPs can't fill that gap.

 

[emb]

Best news of the show by far! Though I still need to get around to playing through Bayonetta. I've had it for months.

I hope the Platinum/Nintendo involvement continues and strengthens. It's a little bit silly, but it's nice to see games that are exclusive to something. And it makes for hype conference moments.

 

[thebaroness]

Compare that to Darksiders 2 which also had a large ad campaign behind it (if not bigger).

That game tanked.

Spoiler

I am pretty upset about it too.

Also a great game :<

 

[Combichristoffersen]

My problem is that I'm not convinced this trend will continue once PS4 and Xbox 720 launch.

If the wiiU stays on a similar tragetory as the snes, where almost everything is ported, outside of the obvious exclusives, hell yeah.

but if it follows the wii route, where after the inital first few years, the console is relegated to the odd gimmick filled port of only the biggest selling games and most third parties ignore it entirely for their Top releases, then we are going to have a problem, because for me, Nintendo IPs can't fill that gap.

What? The majority of the good stuff on SNES remained exclusive. Or did you mean the Gamecube instead of the SNES?

 

[Retro_]

He's probably going to be more annoyed when people think he directed the game in the future

Not as much though, as he's probably working on the story like he did with the Joe sequels.

 

[SmokyDave]

Let's take this away from gaming, for a second. Let's imagine, instead, that two toothbrushes made by two different companies have features that are distinct, but both good. One cleans your tongue a little better, the other gets your gums or something, I don't know, who cares.

Would your reaction to having two good choices, as a consumer, be frustration? Anger? Generally speaking, I like it when I find two good things instead of only one good thing.

If toothbrushes ran £250 a pop, people might well get frustrated at the 'either / or'.

For me, it's pretty simple. Either you like the game enough to buy a console for it, or you don't. If you don't, move on. No point in moaning about that which you cannot or will not change. If you do, buy the console.

 

[Threi]

The craziest thing about this is that this is the absolute best thing that could have happened to a bayonetta fan, considering the state the franchise was in.

Maybe you don't want it because its on "teh wii". Fine, cool. But consider the reaction to it, twitter spamming, death threats, straight-up crying from all corners of the internet.

Sega is probably like "Hey, wait...people actually care about this game?" This "controversy" has not only guranteed a Bayonetta 2 but hell, there might be a Bayonetta 3 on the horizon, maybe even multiplat due to "fan demand". The franchise sure as hell is in a much better position than it was before this happened.

Gamers are among the most spoiled, ungrateful bunch i've ever had the displeasure of interacting with. You need to consider where this franchise was: it was one of many niche, unappreciated, "loljapanese" titles that were near-extinction due to the "dudebro shooter" movement. This game has gotten a chance, take it and quit the crap. There are many other franchises that don't even get the chance this game has.

I've said it before though: there are a lot of things in this industry that you don't like, but you deserve. Yearly Call of Dutys, excessive DLC, and all around lack of variety in games are all of them. You complain about superficial bullshit, some of which actually benefits the industry, and let real problems slide. Thats why there are times im happy that Activision and EA assrape you "gamers" with their bullshit. You deserve all of it.

 

[Knux-Future]

No. Their freak-outs are due to an IP they love being exclusive to a system they don't want to buy.

Tough.

It's just videogames.


If you want to play it that bad then buy the system. I'm sure there will be enough games to justify the purchase. If you don't think so...then don't buy it.

I could get the rage if Nintendo swooped in and moneyhatted the game from the other systems but no they swooped in and moneyhatted it from death.

There would have not been a damn Bayonetta 2 if not for Nintendo.

You can feel bittersweet but death threats, legit rage, petty name calling and such is silly and not only that it won't change a damn thing. (Not you in particular)

In the end it's just video games man.

 

[jman2050]

If you're saying it could possibly fail and collapse on these gaming publishers, I agree. It's possible.

I'm not saying they have a good plan, I'm just explaining what their plan is, and why they have employed it.

I don't know how well that'll work in today's age. Even looking at those big industries you mention like movies, music, and otherwise, you're starting to see cracks in the supposed stability they've built precisely because of services and avenues provided to "the little guy" on the internet. And I think it's only going to get more pronounced as time goes by.

It just seems like a bad idea for the big game publishers to employ this type of strategy, especially when you have one massive gaming giant (Nintendo) towering over their attempts to create this stability by not playing by their rules. It just seems like it's going to blow up in their faces.

 

[McBradders]

We should all be thrilled that there is actually going to be a Bayonetta 2.

Best move Nintendo has made in years, in my humblest of opinions. If I have said they don't care about me in recent years, well, shit, I take it back. I take it all back.

 

[Little Green Yoda]

Some buy consoles on promise, some buy consoles on what is available now. I'm not going to tell either group how to spend their money.

Considering nobody knows anything concrete about the PS4 or 720 and no games have been announced for either yet, putting one's faith into either console is riskier than doing so with a console with announced games.

This is all a knee-jerk reaction anyway. It's a far cry from PS3 owners getting burned because Capcom shifted platforms for Monster Hunter after previously announcing it for the PS3. Not a single gamer has "backed the wrong horse" because none of the consoles are out yet! Only the fanboys are hurt by these announcements.

 

[Jotamide]

RIP GAF

Pretty much.

 

[Phife Dawg]

Compare that to Darksiders 2 which also had a large ad campaign behind it (if not bigger).

That game tanked.

Spoiler

I am pretty upset about it too.

I was amazed I saw tv ads for that here in Germany, they are quite rare for "core games".

 

[mclem]

Core gamers don't want to buy WiiU because at this point it appears to be at a graphical level of consoles they already have. Now they're pissed that they're being asked to shell X dollars for what they see as redundant technology...just to play games that they expected to get on their platform of choice next-gen.

In which case, should they not be angry at the manufacturer of their platform of choice for not actively pursuing the games they wish to play?

 

[Famassu]

I looked at your list and the only two games that interested me personally are Darksiders 2 and Bayonetta 2 (and the former I can get for PS3 or PC already), well maybe whatever the Xenoblade team does too, since I've seen nothing but praise for Xenoblade (and it's supposedly similar to FF XII, which sounds good to me). So, going by launch lineup, the only thing that interests me is Bayonetta 2. I like OG Bayonetta, but not enough to pay ~$360 to play the sequel. The only series that could lure me in like that are God of War and Uncharted, really

But why do you think PS4 or Xbox 720 will be any better? Bayonetta 2 is here "now", while there are zero (exclusive) games announced for either of those two. Wii U seems to have the support of most publishers (Square Enix seems to be the only one without a project, and I'm preeeeetty sure we'll hear something at TGS in regards to that). If a good number of titles from a wide range of genres don't interest you on Wii U, what can PS4 & Nextbox offer that are so much better that you'd NEVER EVER consider buying a Wii U?

Also, if you're interested in Bayonetta 2, why not try to actually widen your gaming repertoire and try The Wonderful 101, a new, really fun-looking IP from the creator of Bayonetta, the game you like so much?

 

[abadguy]

Not exactly, I think its more like:

''DURRR BAYO'Z GUN BE KIDS GAEM NAO OHEMGEEE!!! D:''

You know, 'that' stereotype about Nintendo mentioned by someone who didn't even tried to search the Wii's library properly.

Another thing that many don't seem to understand is that ''No Nintendo = No Bayo''. It would simply not exist if it wasn't of them publishing it.

Believe it or not some people don't care about that kind of shit, they are just annoyed that a game they enjoyed will finally get a sequel on a console that they don't own. For some it maybe a matter of money. Don't get me wrong I'm glad to see that Bayonetta is getting a sequel at all. But yeah i wish it was multi so i could actually play it, as i will lack the funds for to buy a new console for a while.

 

[Wafflecakes]

After this gen, you would have to be a fool to do that again.

...ummm because gaming on every console this gen turned out amazing and way more than fulfilled the promise.

I was not disappointed with one hardware purchase this gen.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

What? The majority of the good stuff on SNES remained exclusive. Or did you mean the Gamecube instead of the SNES?

I meant it the other way round to how you read it, but yeah, GameCube fits as well.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

...ummm because gaming on every console this gen turned out amazing and way more than fulfilled the promise.

I was not disappointed with one hardware purchase this gen.

I was gonna say...

All three systems were fantastic.

 

[Carbonox]

I just realized that Nintendo is basically Rodin.

Nintendo/Rodin pulled Bayonetta back from the brink to kick ass again.

Speaking of Rodin, I hope we see him return. Awesome character and a fucking difficult boss at that. Speaking of, I wonder if they pump Bayonetta 2 full of side content like the first.

*drool*

 

[Opiate]

Right, and this is my point. The gradually increasing bit. That's what breaks this model to me, this is why I don't believe the same thing can be repeated without a considerable improvement of the effectiveness of marketing within the industry.

Let's say right now two million is par, below that is unacceptable, that won't always be true of course, and sometimes four million is unacceptable, but for the sake of debate, let's use two million as par for right now.

Right, long term there has to be a breaking point. I'm not suggesting this process can continue forever unabated, I'm just suggesting that it regardless of how this strategem eventually plays out, it is clearly the strategy that is currently being employed, and it is having very significant impacts on "mid tier" development.

This plan absolutely could backfire on the publishers, just as any plan has the possibility to backfire. For example, a company like Valve operates much closer to that "free market" approach we were discussing earlier; the barriers to entry for a digital storefront on the PC are low, and theoretically anyone with a good idea could make one and compete. Some publishers are actually trying, but then you also have other successful models like Good ol Games.

If Valve has stayed on top, it is not because Steam represents an insurmountably expensive challenge for any of the entrepreneurs out there; it is because they make a really, really good product that continues to best the competition.

This plan could backfire, however. What if Ubisoft, as an example, eventually does make a legitimately better product than Valve does? Well, they don't really have a method to maintain their leadership position. Their leadership relies very heavily on their ability to constantly stay ahead, and if they don't do that, they'll fall behind. By contrast, EA (as an example) could make the world's worst NFL game and it wouldn't matter, they'd still by definition have a monopoly on that market.

What you are highlighting are the weaknesses in the strategy of the big four publishers. I agree, there are weaknesses, and I agree, there are long term problems, and I agree, it could fail. But that could be said of any strategy; I'm not discussing the long term prospects of this strategy, I'm just explaining what the strategy is, what the upsides are, and why these major publishers are employing it.

In other words, my series of posts have not been intended to suggest what publishers should do, or what I think they will do, or to suggest what is a good idea or what isn't. I'm simply explaining what is happening and why. That is all.

 

[McBradders]

While Nintendo are feeling rather generous to the "core" whiners, how about picking up the following;

Shenmue 3
Jet Set Radio 3
A er, more palatable sequel to Valkyria Chronicles...
Panzer Dragoon Saga 2
NiGHTS

Start as you mean to go on, Iwata, old boy.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

You guys are so tsun tsun.

"I'm not buying a console when it has zero games I'm interested in."

*later on*

"W-w-well, I'm not buying a console for just one game."

*later on*

""W-w-well, I'm not buying a console for just two games."

Etc.

Apt analogy.

"I-it's not like I want the system or anything! Baka! (I have to keep up appearances.)"

 

[Duffyside]

While Nintendo are feeling rather generous to the "core" whiners, how about picking up the following;

Shenmue 3
Jet Set Radio 3
A er, more palatable sequel to Valkyria Chronicles...
Panzer Dragoon Saga 2
NiGHTS

Start as you mean to go on, Iwata, old boy.

Dude... a Valkyria game would work real well with that controller...

 

[Opiate]

If toothbrushes ran £250 a pop, people might well get frustrated at the 'either / or'.

For me, it's pretty simple. Either you like the game enough to buy a console for it, or you don't. If you don't, move on. No point in moaning about that which you cannot or will not change. If you do, buy the console.

Replace toothbrushes with, let's say, Android phones then. Do people get upset that lots of options exist? To the contrary, almost everyone agrees that this is one of the strengths of Android. If you want a super cheap phone or an expensive one, a big phone or a small one, an international phone or a local only one, you have your pick.

Now let's expand it, instead, to iPhone vs. Android -- then, yes, people get upset. People don't mind competition within a single brand (Android), but they do mind it when you talk about multiple brands. I think this shows that it isn't really about "options," but about loyalty to specific brands.

And rabid brand loyalty isn't something we're likely to endorse here on GAF. Thou shalt not engage in idolatry.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

But why do you think PS4 or Xbox 720 will be any better? Bayonetta 2 is here "now", while there are zero (exclusive) games announced for either of those two. Wii U seems to have the support of most publishers (Square Enix seems to be the only one without a project, and I'm preeeeetty sure we'll hear something at TGS in regards to that). If a good number of titles from a wide range of genres don't interest you on Wii U, what can PS4 & Nextbox offer that are so much better that you'd NEVER EVER consider buying a Wii U?

Also, if you're interested in Bayonetta 2, why not try to actually widen your gaming repertoire and try The Wonderful 101, a new, really fun-looking IP from the creator of Bayonetta, the game you like so much?

I haven't said anywhere that PS4 and 720 will necessarily be 'better' (unless we're talking hardware specs, where I'm fairly certain PS4 and 720 will be relatively similar, and both will have better specs than Wii U). But the PS4 will give me Sony's exclusive games, so it makes more sense for me to get a console that offers me first-party franchises I want to play (God of War, Gran Turismo, Uncharted and maybe inFamous 3) + multiplat games than to get a Wii U just for Bayonetta and whatever potential third party exclusives that may appear in the future (since I don't really care all that much about Nintendo's first-party games in general). Obviously, I could just get a Wii U + a PS4, but I barely have the time to play my PS3 as it is (with the PSP, PS2 and PC left to gather dust), so it would most likely just be a waste of money for me to buy two consoles when I could just get a PS4 and get my fill from that.

Never heard about The Wonderful 101 tbh, will check it out. That said, I'm generally not a fan of developers or designers, but of IPs.

Edit: Checked the trailer for Wonderful 101. Didn't look very appealing to me personally tbh.

 

[reptilescorpio]

No. Their freak-outs are due to an IP they love being exclusive to a system they don't want to buy.

Seems likely for most people. I would be shocked if Bayonetta 2 doesn't turn out great but I will wait for the library of games to grow before grabbing a WiiU, like I did with the PS3. Hopefully Kamiya is deeply involved in the project too.

 

[McBradders]

Dude... a Valkyria game would work real well with that controller...

Wouldn't it just?

Oh, and while we're at it... more Vanquish would not go amiss, either!

MY BODY IS REGGIE!